Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

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Re: Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

Postby JVM » Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:55 pm

See now everyone loves Showa Gigan, but I'd say up until a year or two ago I'd only heard two or three people prefer Showa over Millennium. Not that I disagree - though I do like the Millennium design, I think Showa ends up an overall better monster.

I don't think Gigan '73 really counts as a separate design. The changes are subtle and I never noticed them until they were pointed out to me in a side-by-side comparison. The only noticeable one is the color change.
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Re: Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

Postby Goji » Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:00 pm

Really? The head is very different looking, and quite noticeable actually.
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Re: Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

Postby Darkness » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:29 pm

Gigan is my favorite kaiju only second to Godzilla himself. His bizarre design, sadistic tendencies and his reputation for fleeing battle when the tides turn against him, he's a fantastic villain. Godzilla vs. Gigan was one of my favorites as a kid and despite the overuse of stock footage as well as the cheapness of the film, it's one of my personal favorites. And let's not forget that Gigan was the first kaiju to make Godzilla bleed, and he gets major points of badassery for that feat.
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Re: Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

Postby JVM » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:25 pm

Indeed. Its obvious if you just look closely.

If you need to look closely, then it's not obvious.

I'm not saying there's no difference, just that it's nothing that sticks out. It's the same design, just that they skreeonked it up the second time around.
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Re: Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

Postby HayesAJones » Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:40 am

A cool, well-designed monster. I wouldn't mind seeing him in the Legendary Pictures reboot.
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Re: Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

Postby JVM » Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:23 pm

Except, ya know, the design of the head, and the size of the belly.


So you're saying the VERY FIRST TIME you saw Godzilla vs. Megalon, the very first time you saw Gigan, your very first thought was "Gigan's head and belly look totally different. They really updated him for 1973!"
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Re: Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

Postby Primevalgodzilla V2 » Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:36 pm

See now everyone loves Showa Gigan, but I'd say up until a year or two ago I'd only heard two or three people prefer Showa over Millennium. Not that I disagree - though I do like the Millennium design, I think Showa ends up an overall better monster.


Yeah that's pretty much my opinion.

The Megalon suit is detailed, but the material it is made of looks rather fakeish. That's my main beef agaisnt it. Gigan suffers abit from this, but certainly less. If detail, detail, detail meant everything, the Heisei suits wouldn't be hated so much.

I understand the concentrated internet American fanbase seems to absolutely adore Grand King Ghidora and FW Gigan but as a whole - and especially in Japan - the original versions are far and away considered superior.


But since most of TK fits into that category, is it THAT much of a surprise that I prefer the FW Gigan? (like you and Goji seemed to be implying anyway)
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Re: Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

Postby Goji » Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:58 pm

People have loved the Showa Gigan for decades. Obviously, he's more popular. This is something a 7 old could probably grasp. Come on guys, good lord..
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Re: Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

Postby Guardian7 » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:03 pm

Showa Gigan looks more like a typical monster in frame design.

FW Gigan looks too human. The overall design is kinda crappy too. The redesigned weapons looked clunky and awful. The optic beam was different.

I guess I just prefer Gigan's fat Parrot look.
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Re: Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

Postby Primevalgodzilla V2 » Thu Dec 23, 2010 12:48 am

People have loved the Showa Gigan for decades. Obviously, he's more popular. This is something a 7 old could probably grasp. Come on guys, good lord..


That wasn't even what I was debating about. I wish you Showa fans would stop being so overdefensive. Seriously.
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Re: Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

Postby Goji » Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:57 am

Lol @ the "you Showa fans" remark. So what are you exactly? A "sort of" Showa fan? 1/3 Showa fan? Showa fan when you feel like it?

The irony of it all, is that you for some reason have an avatar of *gasp* the Showa Gigan!
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Re: Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

Postby Lamango  » Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:00 am

I liked Gigan better when he was Dorako.
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Re: Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

Postby JVM » Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:37 pm

I think people are confusing people's preferences of monster vs. design.

Gigan Showa is far, far and away a better monster than Gigan Millennium. Not really much of a debate there. But some people prefer FW Gigan's design. The design is only the visual aspect. I think some people are just confused between those.

Personally I'd like to see a slightly flashier Millennium.
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Re: Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

Postby edgaguirus » Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:47 pm

Personally, I prefer the Showa Gigan. Design has nothing to do with it, but portrayal does. The Showa Gigan was a cruel thug and villain you love to hate. He was perfect for an enemy. GFW Gigan didn't have quite that quality.
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Re: Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

Postby Guardian7 » Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:56 pm

I say, Mix the two JVM, keep the hooks... they are very signature of Gigan. Then make him stockier or more animalistic than human framed Mel Gigan, but possibly a little lighter framed than the Showa one.

I also wouldn't mind finding out exactly how much of him is Cyborg and how much isn't.

Might also be fun to see Godzilla battle a few of them ala Gyaos from Gamera... just a big ole fleet of flying Gigans laying down destruction!
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Re: Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

Postby JVM » Fri Dec 24, 2010 3:18 am

^ Yeah, I'd like to find out more about Gigan's cyborgism. We really don't know what the hell he is. Maybe that's part of his charm. And I'll note Showa Gigan always seemed more hybridized to me, whereas GFW Gigan seemed almost like a full mech.
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Re: Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

Postby Lamango  » Fri Dec 24, 2010 3:34 am

I liked GFW Gigan's design when it was Powered Dorako.
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Re: Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

Postby Goji » Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:12 am

Guardian7 wrote:
I also wouldn't mind finding out exactly how much of him is Cyborg and how much isn't.


I actually have a Japanese book showing the insides of Gigan, Mecha-King Ghidorah, and the Showa Mechagodzilla. Once I actually get access to a working scanner, I will try to upload them for you all to see.
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Re: Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

Postby Guardian7 » Sat Dec 25, 2010 4:55 am

I totally forgot I had an image of that Goji. I have the one of the old school Gigan cutaway (Though I have never seen Mecha King Ghidorah or MechaGodzilla).



There it is.
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Re: Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

Postby Hellspawn28 » Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:28 pm

I still wish he was in the Heisei series. I can see him working if the Return of King Ghidorah movie was made. He would likely look like his Trendmasters Figure desgin.
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Re: Monster Discussion #32: Gigan (Showa)

Postby Goji » Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:16 pm

The Trendmasters toy was just the Showa design with grossly enlarged muscles, it looked awful. I doubt it would have looked as bad as that...but we saw how the adult Mothra turned out, so who knows.
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