Comic-Con 2012 Discussion

[tenup]

It will be shocking if this all turns out to be what was originally rumored about Godzilla being attatched to Pacific Rim. To me Pacific Rim sounds like a fun film, but not the film I'd expect Godzilla to be any part of. If the rumor is true that Godzilla will be presented at the LP Panel audio and visual, then it has to be a trailer or some kind of demonstration showing the new Godzilla. It will probably be unique and eventful at the same time.

[Vinv1989]

Looks like G-Fest weekend just got a helluva lot hotter

Yes indeed, I cant wait!

[Living Corpse]

Looks like G-Fest weekend just got a helluva lot hotter

Yes indeed, I cant wait!

And this weeks forecast there's an 80% chance of blue fire raining down on the city so be sure to bring that flame proof hazmat suit.

[Vinv1989]

Looks like G-Fest weekend just got a helluva lot hotter

Yes indeed, I cant wait!

And this weeks forecast there's an 80% chance of blue fire raining down on the city so be sure to bring that flame proof hazmat suit.

Haha nice, the King of Kaiju's has returned!

[Tormentor]

We all know Sony's marketing for Godzilla was no doubt brilliant, From the Foot on the T-Rex skeleton to the Fishman an Godzilla's eye on the dock, to the Taco bell commercials ''Here lizard lizard lizard'' all was Classic.... None of that will appeal now though i think. Godzilla needs to be shown in the trailer if they expect fan's to put there doubt's to rest.

More or less, I agree.

The method of hiding the star monster within a monster movie (to me personally) can only work effectively if the monster is not iconic and is something no one has seen before. Like Cloverfield for example.

Now, after what happened with GINO, this will not work completely anymore because no one wants to be suckered into seeing a Godzilla movie again that doesn't actually have the Godzilla that they were paying to see. At least, from the point of view of Godzilla fans or kaiju fans. But if they decided to use that method then they better throw in some convincing ways of assuring us that this is Godzilla done right.

[gatorzilla]

Now do you think we will hear any news on this movie at Comic Con Thursday or Friday before this presentation on Saturday?

[Gojira1963]

That was the greatest teaser trailer of all times. (t-rex skeleton)

I actually wished that was in the film.

Am I the only one on this form that liked the GINO movie? Sure the creature isn't Godzilla but I loved the design anyway and the movie was pretty fun in my opinion.

[Hellspawn28]

Am I the only one on this form that liked the GINO movie? Sure the creature isn't Godzilla but I loved the design anyway and the movie was pretty fun in my opinion.

I didn't loved or liked GINO but I do agree that the design was pretty cool. I view Zilla/GINO was a stand alone monster and the design is good monster design but it's not a good design that works for Godzilla though. I don't think hiding Godzilla's design would work. Just show Godzilla in full action and have smash up shit then you should be good to go.

[gatorzilla]

If they full out show the design at Comic Con that would be a great way to show everyone this is whats coming. No more GINO. This is how an American Godzilla should be. That will get fans and general audienced excited you can bet on that.

IMO though it wont really matter a whole lot unless we get a set official release date

[Godzillakuj94]

That was the greatest teaser trailer of all times. (t-rex skeleton)

I actually wished that was in the film.

Am I the only one on this form that liked the GINO movie? Sure the creature isn't Godzilla but I loved the design anyway and the movie was pretty fun in my opinion.

I also loved the design.

[Mr. Sanderz]

I am now hearing rumors from movie execs on the inside that Godzilla will not be the only Toho related monster at Legendary's Hall H showcasing.

[Living Corpse]

I am now hearing rumors from movie execs on the inside that Godzilla will not be the only Toho related monster at Legendary's Hall H showcasing.

Well, they did say from the start they wanted at least one, maybe more, monster for Godzilla to fight since that was one of the many, MANY complaints about the last American remake, that he didn't even have another monster to fight.

[gatorzilla]

I am now hearing rumors from movie execs on the inside that Godzilla will not be the only Toho related monster at Legendary's Hall H showcasing.

If thats true then that could very well mean Legendary got the rights to use a Toho monster in the movie for Godzilla to fight?

Kinda like how they wanted King Ghidorah for De Bonts American Godzilla.

Can we trust your sources?

[Captain Aktion]

Am I the only one on this form that liked the GINO movie? Sure the creature isn't Godzilla but I loved the design anyway and the movie was pretty fun in my opinion.

Frankly, if I detach myself from it altogether, then...well, it's an okay piece of treacle. It's not that I dislike the film for not being the Godzilla film I dreamed of or anything, my problem with it is that it's just not a very good film. I accept that it is what it is, but it has some serious flaws on a fundamental level of storytelling. The first one that came to my mind just now: The fact that the way they finally defeat the giant monster is to shoot it with a few missiles. On a storytelling level, let me present an analogy; would it be fundamentally "broken" to have a kung-fu film where the main character/antagonist spent the film dodging bullets then have him die by taking a few slugs in the gut? I should think so, if for no other reason than the dramatic tension built by him using his innate powers to defy conventional death is completely annihilated by resolving it with a death due to what he's been built up to deny. Broken, by most storytelling standards, unless you're going for dramatic irony and trust me, I'd love to read the analysis that paints this as a legitimate portrait of said dramatic irony.
I'm not saying nobody could spin it that way, but I would love to read it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if GINO is a enjoyable on a guilty pleasure level (and I acknowledge that many G films are exactly that), then fair enough. I agree. But a good film...? That's a tough one...

EDIT: And I just thought of this...Was Jean Reno cast simply because he is marketable in Japan? I have no reason to really think this, but he did star in an Onimusha game so it leads me to think he has some cache in the Japanese audience, perhaps due to The Professional...just like here. I mean, did his character actually, logically need to be in the film? He never really did anything and it's not like he provided anything to the plot other than being a generic soldier type who sides with the heroes. He's just a heavy for the protagonists to fall back on, so really that role could've been anybody...So much to think about now

[Jomei]

Studios often think of the global market when they cast films these days, Cap, so you may not be off the mark there.

12 more days, right? :] I'm pumped as hell, but I have to admit there's a voice in the back of my head that won't let me forget the possibility that this could be a huge letdown, too.

[goji1986]

EDIT: And I just thought of this...Was Jean Reno cast simply because he is marketable in Japan? I have no reason to really think this, but he did star in an Onimusha game so it leads me to think he has some cache in the Japanese audience, perhaps due to The Professional...just like here. I mean, did his character actually, logically need to be in the film? He never really did anything and it's not like he provided anything to the plot other than being a generic soldier type who sides with the heroes. He's just a heavy for the protagonists to fall back on, so really that role could've been anybody...So much to think about now

Personally I found Jean Reno to be the best character of the film. Maybe I'm biased because I'm part French myself and I found the humorous bits of him funny.

Ironically this was just on Showtime a few days ago and I caught the end chase. This reminded me of another flaw in the movie's logic (of which there are many): How can GINO - a creature that has been shown to be super fast (fast enough to outrun APACHE HELICOPTERS) - be too slow to catch a measly taxi? I mean I understand that the main characters are in it and thus they cannot die, but still.

[Gojira1963]

Am I the only one on this form that liked the GINO movie? Sure the creature isn't Godzilla but I loved the design anyway and the movie was pretty fun in my opinion.

Frankly, if I detach myself from it altogether, then...well, it's an okay piece of treacle. It's not that I dislike the film for not being the Godzilla film I dreamed of or anything, my problem with it is that it's just not a very good film. I accept that it is what it is, but it has some serious flaws on a fundamental level of storytelling. The first one that came to my mind just now: The fact that the way they finally defeat the giant monster is to shoot it with a few missiles. On a storytelling level, let me present an analogy; would it be fundamentally "broken" to have a kung-fu film where the main character/antagonist spent the film dodging bullets then have him die by taking a few slugs in the gut? I should think so, if for no other reason than the dramatic tension built by him using his innate powers to defy conventional death is completely annihilated by resolving it with a death due to what he's been built up to deny. Broken, by most storytelling standards, unless you're going for dramatic irony and trust me, I'd love to read the analysis that paints this as a legitimate portrait of said dramatic irony.
I'm not saying nobody could spin it that way, but I would love to read it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if GINO is a enjoyable on a guilty pleasure level (and I acknowledge that many G films are exactly that), then fair enough. I agree. But a good film...? That's a tough one...

EDIT: And I just thought of this...Was Jean Reno cast simply because he is marketable in Japan? I have no reason to really think this, but he did star in an Onimusha game so it leads me to think he has some cache in the Japanese audience, perhaps due to The Professional...just like here. I mean, did his character actually, logically need to be in the film? He never really did anything and it's not like he provided anything to the plot other than being a generic soldier type who sides with the heroes. He's just a heavy for the protagonists to fall back on, so really that role could've been anybody...So much to think about now

Our tastes in movies are always subjective. If I like a film then it is "good for me" and I am the only one that can make that decision for myself. I cannot make it for others. So if you don't think a movie is 'good" then for you that is your viewpoint and there is nothing wrong with it.

For me Godzilla movies are fun and entertaining, even the serious ones. I think there are flaws in story telling and logic for all the Godzilla movies. So for me GINO is no worse an offender than any other Godzilla movie in my opinion. There are even some Toho Godzilla movies that I do not like.


I do have a hard time seeing the American Godzilla movie as a Giodzilla movie, instead I tend to view it as just another giant monster movie and on that level I do like it. I agree it has flaws. For me the ending is a bit of an anti-climax because they seem to kill him rather easily after struggling so hard to kill him for so much of the movie. I also don't care too much for the time spent in Madison Square Gardens with the baby Zilla's because the pace of the movie seems to come to a grinding halt at that point.

[Godzilla2000Zero]

I also posted this on Facebook but if Godzilla does come to Comic Con than I think we should come up with a couple of intelligent questions if Legendary asks for any like the release date for example and that's the most important thing we need to know at this point

[Captain Aktion]

Am I the only one on this form that liked the GINO movie? Sure the creature isn't Godzilla but I loved the design anyway and the movie was pretty fun in my opinion.

Frankly, if I detach myself from it altogether, then...well, it's an okay piece of treacle. It's not that I dislike the film for not being the Godzilla film I dreamed of or anything, my problem with it is that it's just not a very good film. I accept that it is what it is, but it has some serious flaws on a fundamental level of storytelling. The first one that came to my mind just now: The fact that the way they finally defeat the giant monster is to shoot it with a few missiles. On a storytelling level, let me present an analogy; would it be fundamentally "broken" to have a kung-fu film where the main character/antagonist spent the film dodging bullets then have him die by taking a few slugs in the gut? I should think so, if for no other reason than the dramatic tension built by him using his innate powers to defy conventional death is completely annihilated by resolving it with a death due to what he's been built up to deny. Broken, by most storytelling standards, unless you're going for dramatic irony and trust me, I'd love to read the analysis that paints this as a legitimate portrait of said dramatic irony.
I'm not saying nobody could spin it that way, but I would love to read it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if GINO is a enjoyable on a guilty pleasure level (and I acknowledge that many G films are exactly that), then fair enough. I agree. But a good film...? That's a tough one...

EDIT: And I just thought of this...Was Jean Reno cast simply because he is marketable in Japan? I have no reason to really think this, but he did star in an Onimusha game so it leads me to think he has some cache in the Japanese audience, perhaps due to The Professional...just like here. I mean, did his character actually, logically need to be in the film? He never really did anything and it's not like he provided anything to the plot other than being a generic soldier type who sides with the heroes. He's just a heavy for the protagonists to fall back on, so really that role could've been anybody...So much to think about now

Our tastes in movies are always subjective. If I like a film then it is "good for me" and I am the only one that can make that decision for myself. I cannot make it for others. So if you don't think a movie is 'good" then for you that is your viewpoint and there is nothing wrong with it.

For me Godzilla movies are fun and entertaining, even the serious ones. I think there are flaws in story telling and logic for all the Godzilla movies. So for me GINO is no worse an offender than any other Godzilla movie in my opinion. There are even some Toho Godzilla movies that I do not like.


I do have a hard time seeing the American Godzilla movie as a Giodzilla movie, instead I tend to view it as just another giant monster movie and on that level I do like it. I agree it has flaws. For me the ending is a bit of an anti-climax because they seem to kill him rather easily after struggling so hard to kill him for so much of the movie. I also don't care too much for the time spent in Madison Square Gardens with the baby Zilla's because the pace of the movie seems to come to a grinding halt at that point.

My agreement=100%

[gatorzilla]

You guys might find this interesting. Comicbookmovie.com is doing a poll asking people which movie panel people are looking forward to most at Comic Con.

Godzilla is on there in 3rd place only behind Man of Steel and Iron Man 3 panels which is understandable.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ ... s/?a=62787