If you could change ANY ONE thing about the Godzilla Films

[Rody]

I don't mind the kid in HEDORAH; at least in Japanese.
I can't speak for "Roxanne", because I've only heard him in dub form.

@Carthomerr - wouldn't it be simpler to say Minya just needs a better suit, instead of saying he shouldn't exist PERIOD?

[Goji]

The thing I'd change is casting for the annoying kid from Godzilla Vs Megalon and Godzilla VS The Smog Monster.

The funny part is, he's not even obnoxious in the original Japanese versions. Hell, he's tolerable in both English dubs for HEDORAH. MEGALON's English dub is the only one where his voice is grating to the ears.

[Legion1979]

Point is any "comedy" in DAM from Minya could have been replaced with another monster. He wasn't necessary, as a lot of the monsters in the final battle weren't.

Yawn. Minya being around in Destroy all Monsters doesn't hurt the movie at all. There's no reason why he would need to be replaced.

Yes, the Son of suit was effective in presenting G as a bit softer in a movie in which he adopts a baby Gary Coleman, but that doesn't make it a good thing. The look of a giant monster, in a giant monster movie MATTERS. By these standards, you could effectively use a stick figure with a crayon face that happens to be in a good movie and all would be well!

Double yawn.

Son of Godzilla is one of those movies that succeeds in being an almost perfect film DESPITE the look of the monster suits. If someone dislikes this film because they can't get past the monster costumes then they're missing out on something special.

[Goji]

Point is any "comedy" in DAM from Minya could have been replaced with another monster. He wasn't necessary, as a lot of the monsters in the final battle weren't.

Yawn. Minya being around in Destroy all Monsters doesn't hurt the movie at all. There's no reason why he would need to be replaced.

Additionally, I didn't even realize that was his "point".

The comedy couldn't have "been replaced with another monster." What other monster could have fit that role at the time other than maybe Gabara? (who technically doesn't even exist).

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Point is any "comedy" in DAM from Minya could have been replaced with another monster.

...No, it really couldn't have. If any other monster were to replace Minya's role in DAM, it wouldn't be funny.

Let's say you replaced everything involving Minya with, for example, Anguirus. Anguirus comes out before Godzilla. That's not funny, that's just weird. Minya does it, and it's funny. Anguirus gets the killing blow on King Ghidorah. That's payback for what happened earlier in the fight, but it's not funny. Minya does it, and it's funny. Anguirus strikes a pose on top of the dead King Ghidorah. That's also very strange and out of character for Anguirus. Minya does it, and it's funny.

Do you begin to see a pattern here?

Yes, the Son of suit was effective in presenting G as a bit softer in a movie in which he adopts a baby monster, but that does make it a good thing.

There. Fixed that for you.

Stop with the Gary Coleman reference. It really doesn't work, because they look nothing alike and it's not fair to do that to Minya (or Gary Coleman). Also, yes, that does make it a good thing. The suit represents the character that Godzilla is suppose to be in the film. That's all that matters.

The look of a giant monster, in a giant monster movie MATTERS. By these standards, you could effectively use a stick figure with a crayon face that happens to be in a good movie and all would be well!

If that effectively represents what the character is suppose to be over the course of the film, then you won't see me complaining about it.

If a monster is suppose to be a character, with wants, needs, desires, weaknesses, etc., then the design of the monster should, first and foremost, represent what that character is suppose to be in the film, such as Minya and Godzilla in Son Of Godzilla. If a monster is suppose to be just a monster, with no real character traits other then "Must destroy everything", then the design matters.

Personally, I'd much rather have a monster that's a great character with a crappy design (Godzilla in Son Of Godzilla), instead of a monster that's a crappy character with a great design (Space Godzilla).

[Carthormerr]

The comedy in the battle from Gary Coleman was very unnecessary as were half of the monsters standing there and doing nothing. Him doing something unnecessary could be done with someone else in a different way or just X-ed out altogether.
Those weren't funny, they were more "ha" moments at best. Attempts at cheap humor.

"The suit represents the character that Godzilla is suppose to be in the film. That's all that matters."
This opens the door for way too much. Going off us this I guess the GINO atrocity was an excellent film? After all that represents the character that he is in that particular film according to roland emmerdick - a mutated iguana.

Space Godzilla pulled off the evil angle pretty well in that movie to me, didn't save it though just because there were so many other things wrong with the movie. I don't dislike Son of Godzilla, I really don't. I just think the suits are so bad they take a little bit away, like Kong in KK Escapes.

[Legion1979]

The comedy in the battle from Gary Coleman was very unnecessary as were half of the monsters standing there and doing nothing. Him doing something unnecessary could be done with someone else in a different way or just X-ed out altogether.
Those weren't funny, they were more "ha" moments at best. Attempts at cheap humor.

Seriously, what the hell around you talking about? Minya ducking when Angilas falls and just one solitary smoke ring are attempts at cheap humor? It just feels like you're making a whole ton of shit up at this point just to justify this childish anti-Minya stance you have. Minya doesn't hurt Destroy all Monsters at all by being in it and a few quick cut aways to him during the battle, IMHO doesn't take anything away from other monsters who you feel got the shaft. They wouldn't have done anything even IF Minya wasn't there.

This is ridiculous.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

The comedy in the battle from Gary Coleman was very unnecessary as were half of the monsters standing there and doing nothing. Him doing something unnecessary could be done with someone else in a different way or just X-ed out altogether.
Those weren't funny, they were more "ha" moments at best. Attempts at cheap humor.

Okay, first of all, by continuing to call Minya Gary Coleman after I told you stop, you're trolling. Second, since when was Minya's comedy unnecessary? And why are you dragging monsters like Varan and Manda into this when they have nothing to do with what we're talking about? The entire point of my last post was to show that if any other monster tried to be comedic in that fight, besides Minya, it wouldn't have been funny.

Yes, Baragon didn't get much screen time, but that doesn't mean he should have been given Minya's comedic bits. It wouldn't have fit his character. I'm okay with Baragon getting to do nothing in the fight if it means seeing Minya do something that Godzilla never accomplished in the Showa series: Kill King Ghidorah.

Third, I thought Minya's comedy bits were hilarious. Otherwise, I would not have brought them up at all. In case you forgot "ha" moments are still comedy. Even if you just went "ha" once, the comedy did it's job.

Going off us this I guess the GINO atrocity was an excellent film? After all that represents the character that he is in that particular film according to roland emmerdick - a mutated iguana.

The design does work for a mutated iguana. It gets the job done. It's only when you realize that the monster is named "Godzilla" that it starts to fall apart, which is not the design's fault. That would be Roland Emmerich's fault.

Space Godzilla pulled off the evil angle pretty well in that movie to me, didn't save it though just because there were so many other things wrong with the movie.

Not really. He had no reason to be evil. He just was. That's not good enough for me.

I don't dislike Son of Godzilla, I really don't. I just think the suits are so bad they take a little bit away, like Kong in KK Escapes.

If the suits are taking a bit away from the film, then I would suggest you get over it and look beyond the suits. As we've discussed in the last few pages, the SoG suits are effective, durable and they do exactly what they were suppose to do. So really, there's no reason to complain.

[Carthormerr]

Who are you to tell me what my opinion should or shouldn't be? Minya looks like Arnold Jackson from Diff'rent Strokes. He does. I have heard this quite a few times actually, but you don't want to see it. So you should stop calling those suits effective and durable, or it's trolling because I disagree with that statement. He wasn't necessary in DAM nor was the attempted comedy. My opinion. If you love the little guy, fine. Your preference. Which you clearly do. You sure jumped at ghidorasauras because of his same opinion. An opinion shouldn't be that big of a deal really. Right?
He didn't kill King Ghidorah. KG was already done for. At that point he could have sneezed at him and finished him off. Godzilla was the one crushing KG's brains in and Anguirus drawing blood first. Lol that's wishful thinking on your part

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Who are you to tell me what my opinion should or shouldn't be?

I never said anything about your opinion. All I said is that you really shouldn't get hung up on the suits and look beyond them, since they really aren't that distracting if they get the job done.

Minya looks like Arnold Jackson from Diff'rent Strokes. He does. I have heard this quite a few times actually, but you don't want to see it.

Then tell me, how does Gary Coleman look like Minya? What physical features do the two have in common?

So you should stop calling those suits effective and durable, or it's trolling because I disagree with that statement.

That's not how trolling works.

He wasn't necessary in DAM nor was the attempted comedy. My opinion.

So are you saying that there should never be any kind of comedy whatsoever in tense or dramatic/action scenes like the final fight in DAM? Because there was really nothing wrong with the harmless comedy in DAM from Minya. He made the final battle much more fun and enjoyable.

You sure jumped at ghidorasauras because of his same opinion.

You're mistaken. I didn't jump at ghidorasaurus's opinion. If he doesn't like Minya, that's fine. I merely asked for clarification as to A) why he thought this way, B) how the way he worded his post made little to no sense.

He didn't kill King Ghidorah. KG was already done for. At that point he could have sneezed at him and finished him off. Godzilla was the one crushing KG's brains in and Anguirus drawing blood first.

Minya got in the final blow though. After Minya's attack, King Ghidorah died. That's Minya's kill.

It's like in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. How in a 4-player fight, it doesn't matter how much somebody beats up another person. Whoever gets in the killing blow is the one to gets the count for the KO. Mario could be beating up Pikachu all match, getting him to 200%, but then Kirby comes in with a smash and knocks Pikachu out. That's Kirby's kill, even though Mario did all the work.

Minya got in the final hit, therefore Minya killed King Ghidorah.

[Space Hunter M]

Yay! Smash Brothers! Please, can we talk about that instead? I still need help unlocking Ness in SSB64.

[Carthormerr]

I'm not gonna write you an essay on why two people look similar. They do. Clones no, but similar yes.

I'm not hung up on anything, just stating that the look matters. I'm not saying that it necessarily ruins a movie - not saying that at all except in the case of GINO.
In the particular case of GINO though, they DID call him Godzilla therefore the look mattered.
I didn't personally find the final battle in DOM that intense. It was really an unfair fight and not a Mario video game. All the little squeaker did was blow a smoke ring with KG literally 1 or 2 seconds away from clocking out. He didn't kill him. In Gojira when he rises up with the oxygen destroyer taking affect I suppose some one on the boat could have shot him with a piston and claimed the kill?

[RedZillaKing]

GxG- you've never heard people say Minya looks like Gary Coleman? I've heard that many times before: http://cheezburger.com/2899712512

Do a Google search in it. Hell look at the picture above. Looks like him to me.

Since I was a child I always hated Minya. His strange Gary Coleman looks, his weird "wagwerr" sound, the way he talked in the English dub... I just hated him. I always loved Son of Godzilla, though. My hatred of the character didn't change how I felt about that film. Only recently in my "old" age has he become tolerable (and perhaps a bit loveable). I don't blame anyone for hating the character though.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

I'm not gonna write you an essay on why two people look similar. They do. Clones no, but similar yes.

If you have no evidence to back up your statement of "Gary Coleman looks like Minya", then your statement has no validity.

I'm not hung up on anything, just stating that the look matters. I'm not saying that it necessarily ruins a movie - not saying that at all except in the case of GINO.
In the particular case of GINO though, they DID call him Godzilla therefore the look mattered.

This isn't about GINO though, so why exactly are you bringing this up?

I didn't personally find the final battle in DOM that intense.

Way to miss the point entirely, dude.

Doesn't matter if you found the fight in DAM intense or not.

All the little squeaker did was blow a smoke ring with KG literally 1 or 2 seconds away from clocking out.

And that smoke ring was the last thing that hit King Ghidorah. So it killed him. He didn't kill him.

In Gojira when he rises up with the oxygen destroyer taking affect I suppose some one on the boat could have shot him with a piston and claimed the kill?

That didn't happen though, so what exactly is your point?

[RedZillaKing]

If you have no evidence to back up your statement of "Gary Coleman looks like Minya", then your statement has no validity.

Huh? I just posted a picture comparison from another website of Gary Coleman and Minya. Did you miss it or are you just hellbent on harassing this guy and dissecting every f*****g sentence he posts?

[Carthormerr]

There's a link RedZillaKing just posted. That's proof enough that this isn't some isolated random thought on my part. No, there is no peer reviewed article I can link that breaks down on the molecular level why 2 things look similar. Stop trying to split hairs on something that isn't that complicated.

Listen gotengo, if you can't keep up with an example being given, than just admit that and be done with it. GINO is an example of a MONSTER DESIGN that MATTERED. See that? An example

So give me evidence that the battle was intense. You state that it was intense and needed a little humor. I stated IMO that it wasn't that intense. Therefore, I found the COMEDY unnecessary and furthermore this makes him unnecessary DUDE.

"And that smoke ring was the last thing that hit King Ghidorah. So it killed him. He didn't kill him. " - I'm not following your point here. He didn't kill him you say?
"That didn't happen though, so what exactly is your point?" - See this again. You can't follow an example?
This is an example of something incredibly powerful seconds away from dying and something miniscule attempting to harm that said powerful creature. It didn't happen, but if it had it would be just as valid a claim that a pistol fired at Gojira in his dying moments killed him as that GC's smoke ring killed KG. That's an example. An example.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

If you have no evidence to back up your statement of "Gary Coleman looks like Minya", then your statement has no validity.

Huh? I just posted a picture comparison from another website of Gary Coleman and Minya. Did you miss it or are you just hellbent on harassing this guy and dissecting every f*****g sentence he posts?

I missed it, because I have you blocked, and I only saw Crthormerr's post when I logged on today.

I made a post about this a few pages ago, in which I posted a picture of both Gary Coleman and Minya and said that they looked nothing alike. And I still believe that. I would say that the only thing they have in common is that they're both short, but Minya isn't short, so that's not true either.

Also, I'm not harassing anyone here. I'm not even picking on him. What I'm doing is hardly different from any other discussion I get into here. Or would you count all of those discussions as harassment as well?

As I've said before, I don't see the problem with taking every sentence I feel like commenting on, and dissecting the post. I'm just being thorough. There's nothing wrong with that.

EDIT: I looked at the link you sent. I still don't see anything that two have in common.

There's a link RedZillaKing just posted. That's proof enough that this isn't some isolated random thought on my part. No, there is no peer reviewed article I can link that breaks down on the molecular level why 2 things look similar. Stop trying to split hairs on something that isn't that complicated.

I'm not splitting hairs here. I'm saying that Gary Coleman and Minya look nothing alike. All you have to do is look at a picture of each of them, and you'll see they have nothing in common.

GINO is an example of a MONSTER DESIGN that MATTERED. See that? An example

And I'm saying that you're example doesn't make any sense, because you throw out that example because the monster is named Godzilla, when that's not the design's fault.

So give me evidence that the battle was intense. You state that it was intense and needed a little humor. I stated IMO that it wasn't that intense. Therefore, I found the COMEDY unnecessary and furthermore this makes him unnecessary DUDE.

Again, you're missing the point.

You never answered my question. I didn't make that point to say that the final battle in DAM was intense. The point of it was to ask the question, "Do you think there should never be any kind of comedy whatsoever in dramatic/action scenes like the final fight in DAM?"

You're getting hooked up on one word of that, which was an incredibly trivial word, just so you could avoid the question.

"And that smoke ring was the last thing that hit King Ghidorah. So it killed him. He didn't kill him. " - I'm not following your point here. He didn't kill him you say?

No, that was a typo. I meant to say, "He did kill him."

This is an example of something incredibly powerful seconds away from dying and something miniscule attempting to harm that said powerful creature. It didn't happen, but if it had it would be just as valid a claim that a pistol fired at Gojira in his dying moments killed him as that GC's smoke ring killed KG. That's an example. An example.

Minya's killing of King Ghidorah was meant to be funny. What exactly would firing a gun at the dying Godzilla accomplish? That's neither funny, nor adds anything to the dramatic tension of that scene. Also, a bullet to the dying Godzilla would not have accomplished anything. It wouldn't have penetrated his skin, nor would Godzilla have felt it. Whereas Minya's smoke ring clearly did damage to King Ghidorah.

I still stand by the Super Smash Bros. example. Mario gets Pikachu to 200%, Kirby performs a smash and kills Pikachu, Kirby gets the KO count and Mario gets nothing. The same applies here.

[RedZillaKing]

I'll send this in PM. It's definitely off topic.

[Carthormerr]

I am looking at the picture and cannot say that. That's just how you see it or want to see it in this case.

I'm pretty sure they decided it was gonna be Godzilla before the final design. Making the design matter. Now I could be very wrong on which order they decided it. So how about any of the Rodan suits in the 60's compared to the original?

"Do you think there should never be any kind of comedy whatsoever in dramatic/action scenes like the final fight in DAM?" - Never? I wouldn't say that, but I could go without their attempts in this particular scene. I just see it as a big beat down. KG really had no way of jumping in the middle of so many monsters (also that whatever you call it that makes those weird noises and blows smoke rings) and beating all of them.

Now you're missing my point. I'm not attempting a personal rewrite of the Gojira script. Clearly adding what I said would be "neither funny, nor adds anything to the dramatic tension of that scene". That's an obvious example of something that could not harm Godzilla. Gary's smoke ring could not harm GK. It didn't clearly harm him in this scene. His head was writhing and about to fall and it just happened to hit him. Let's go by your Smash Bro's example though, using this would actually make you very wrong. Gorosaurus actually got the last blow in, therefore "he" "got the kill".
Re-watch the scene. He is clearly still biting his tail after the ring hits and finishes LOL

[ghidorasauras]

Did I start this? oh god...