If you could change ANY ONE thing about the Godzilla Films

[TokyoVigilante]

I think he's referring to the Heisei Manga, which reportedly are better then the films with less characters, more streamlined plots, and more continuity for Western nerd culture to frantically masturbate too (as in, it's legitimate and respectable continuity, not sorta' continuity).

It's not a half-bad notion, to be honest. It'd iron out a decent amount of bugs the nineties films have.

[antovald20]

Oops! I should have said Heisei mangas. Is there more godzilla mangas then heisei & G2000?

[TokyoVigilante]

There were adaptations of the seventies films, but there's next to nothing available about those (that I am aware of) other then that they exist.

[Goji]

I think he's referring to the Heisei Manga, which reportedly are better then the films with less characters, more streamlined plots, and more continuity for Western nerd culture to frantically masturbate too (as in, it's legitimate and respectable continuity, not sorta' continuity).

It's not a half-bad notion, to be honest. It'd iron out a decent amount of bugs the nineties films have.

It's still ridiculous to suggest to "go back and change them" when the films have already been finished, and released. It's simply illogical.

In some cases, the mangas drastically changed things, which is why going back and editing them ala the Champion Masturi edits from the 70's, wouldn't work.

[Tyler]

It's still ridiculous to suggest to "go back and change them" when the films have already been finished, and released. It's simply illogical.

Has anyone actually said that though? Or is it more of a what if type thing? I mean, that's what this whole thread is, right? What if? So why get so worked up about it?

Personally I'd love a trilogy or something (GAMERA!) where we get a nice, neat Godzilla continuity influenced by the early Showa films. Maybe starring the Top Five.

[wrongnote85]

I think he's referring to the Heisei Manga, which reportedly are better then the films with less characters, more streamlined plots, and more continuity for Western nerd culture to frantically masturbate too (as in, it's legitimate and respectable continuity, not sorta' continuity).

It's not a half-bad notion, to be honest. It'd iron out a decent amount of bugs the nineties films have.

It's still ridiculous to suggest to "go back and change them" when the films have already been finished, and released. It's simply illogical.

In some cases, the mangas drastically changed things, which is why going back and editing them ala the Champion Masturi edits from the 70's, wouldn't work.

you missed the whole point of the thread bro.

[Gojira-Fan]

There were adaptations of the seventies films, but there's next to nothing available about those (that I am aware of) other then that they exist.

I believe there was also a Manga released for earlier Showa films, perhaps even the 50's Godzilla films.

[Goji]

you missed the whole point of the thread bro.

It made no sense in the way he was suggesting it, "bro".

He didn't say "I'd change this"-*goes into explanation*. He said:

I read that the mangas are better then the films, so why not change the films to what the mangas are?

In this context, what's he suggests makes no sense. At all. He suggesting going back and changing the films to match the manga's, despite the films already having been finished, and released.

If you can't understand how and why this doesn't make sense then, well, I simply can't help you.

[antovald20]

^It's not like i have a time machine, I'm not Doctor Who. Also i didn't have to say "I'd change this" the thread did it for me.

[wrongnote85]

^It's not like i have a time machine, I'm not Doctor Who. Also i didn't have to say "I'd change this" the thread did it for me.

man, don't even bother.

[Gojira-Fan]

I read that the mangas are better then the films, so why not change the films to what the mangas are?

In this context, what's he suggests makes no sense. At all. He suggesting going back and changing the films to match the manga's, despite the films already having been finished, and released.

If you can't understand how and why this doesn't make sense then, well, I simply can't help you.

He could be suggesting a major re-editing of the films with newly shot scenes to better match the manga counterparts. Similar to what George Lucas did with Star Wars, but more radical.

[Goji]

You have to wonder..if that was done, would it be considered an improvement to these films, or simply make them worse?

Would people want to see a CG SpaceGodzilla getting impaled by a crystal? Or would it "take you out of the movie" the way a lot of Lucas's edits to the original trilogy do for some people?

[Gojira-Fan]

You have to wonder..if that was done, would it be considered an improvement to these films, or simply make them worse?

Would people want to see CG SpaceGodzilla getting impaled by a crystal? Or would it "take you out of the movie" the way a lot of Lucas's edits to the original trilogy do for some people?

I would be totally against that type of alteration. Films are historical artifacts, and that type of revisionism is a spit in the face of film preservation.

I think what George Lucas did to Star Wars is a tragedy, and I wouldn't want that type of meddling with the Godzilla films.

[Legionmaster]

I would be totally against that type of alteration. Films are historical artifacts, and that type of revisionism is a spit in the face of film preservation.

I think what George Lucas did to Star Wars is a tragedy, and I wouldn't want that type of meddling with the Godzilla films.

But editing a film doesn't destroy the original. It just makes an additional copy.

[Gojira-Fan]

I would be totally against that type of alteration. Films are historical artifacts, and that type of revisionism is a spit in the face of film preservation.

I think what George Lucas did to Star Wars is a tragedy, and I wouldn't want that type of meddling with the Godzilla films.

But editing a film doesn't destroy the original. It just makes an additional copy.

Depends on what happens to what you edit out.

[Legionmaster]

Depends on what happens to what you edit out.

My point is that it's not like your're going back and editing a painting, where you completely obscure the previous look. You can still watch the original cuts of Star Wars, so Lucas isn't "destroying" anything at all. Not to mention it's his own intellectual property, and he can do what he wants with it anyway. If Da Vinci was alive today and wanted to go draw a shitting pigeon on the Mona Lisa, that's his choice, it's his painting.

And this is, of course, from the consumer point of view that a piece of art gets completed and then sold in the marketplace, rather than the artist's view that a piece of art get's abandoned because you need to sell it.

[Gojira-Fan]

My point is that it's not like your're going back and editing a painting, where you completely obscure the previous look. You can still watch the original cuts of Star Wars, so Lucas isn't "destroying" anything at all.

You can watch the original Star Wars trilogy unchanged on full screen VHS, non-anormorphic letterboxed laser disc or non-anormorphic letterboxed DVD (which is just a transfer from the laserdisc). You can't watch it on your widescreen TV without pillarboxing, which means what your watching is terribly small.

Lucas has also stated, and I quote:

"Occasionally, [you can] go back and get your cut of the video out there, which I did on both American Graffiti and THX 1138; that's the place where it will live forever. So what ends up being important in my mind is what the DVD version is going to look like, because that's what everybody is going to remember. The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won't last more than 30 or 40 years."

It sure seems like Lucas wants people to watch the theatrical versions in that quote, doesn't it?

Not to mention it's his own intellectual property, and he can do what he wants with it anyway. If Da Vinci was alive today and wanted to go draw a shitting pigeon on the Mona Lisa, that's his choice, it's his painting.

This is ironic.

Lucas himself has stated that he didn't like executives coming in and editing the movies he directed, which is what happened with American Graffiti. However, he has done the same thing to the two other movies he was an executive producer and had a story credit on. Now, I must stress what these two credits mean.

He did not write the screenplay. He may have provided the base idea for the narrative, but "story" credits don't mean jack shit generally. All of the dialog, characterization, pacing ect. he had nothing to do with.

The executive producer credit means he was a representative from Lucasfilm making sure the production went smoothly and the money wasn't being wasted. It's not a creative position at all.

He also doesn't have a director's credit on those two films. The director has the creative vision for the film. By re-editing and adding CGI to those two films, he is distorting another persons vision. He is doing the exactly the same thing he chastised Universal executives for doing, but only much more severely.

He says that he is editing them to facilitate what he envisioned for the films, but only one of those films was the one he had creative control in during production.

[Tyler]

I think Gojira-Fan wins this one.

[Rody]

If I were to change ANY ONE thing about the Godzilla films.......

I would erase the 60's Rodan suit from existence, and replace it with a suit much more similar to the original.

[antovald20]

^or use the original.