Best End of Era Film

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Which of the era enders was the best?

Terror of Mechagodzilla (Showa)
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Godzilla vs Destroyah (Heisei)
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Godzilla:Final Wars (Millenium)
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby Living Corpse » Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:05 pm

For surviving, I'll direct you to my first post again. Although to be clear, I doubt that Godzilla understood that he was literally dying until he started physically melting in the 1100's, then again, he was too focused on Destoroyah. So he probably didn't understand completely until he actually melted down. Before that he acted like he normally would on a normal day.


Even if he didn't know he was gonna die at least not until near Meltdown he probably did know something was really wrong from the start of the film. He spends most of the time in the ocean in this film to keep himself cool so he clearly felt pain and probably knew he was "sick" in some way.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby Blackout286 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:18 pm

Living Corpse wrote:
For surviving, I'll direct you to my first post again. Although to be clear, I doubt that Godzilla understood that he was literally dying until he started physically melting in the 1100's, then again, he was too focused on Destoroyah. So he probably didn't understand completely until he actually melted down. Before that he acted like he normally would on a normal day.


Even if he didn't know he was gonna die at least not until near Meltdown he probably did know something was really wrong from the start of the film. He spends most of the time in the ocean in this film to keep himself cool so he clearly felt pain and probably knew he was "sick" in some way.


No question about that, he most likely had noticed that something was wrong with him and indeed felt pain. Well, besides keeping himself cool, Godzilla was mostly trying to find Junior throughout the whole entire film. It seemed that following and finding Junior was of primary concern to him than his own situation. (Not sure why unless he lost track of him when Birth Island went down, but it was most likely parental instincts kicking in IMO).
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby Living Corpse » Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:25 pm

He also went and attacked China totally unprovoked, which is another sign that he probably felt pain since Heisei Godzilla usually (key word being usually) only attacks when something pisses him off like people or a meteor.

That and the glowing, the smoke and even the different ray color are hard to miss even for a giant who's mostly oblivious to what's going on around it. Hell even his eyes were burning, that had to hurt.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:45 pm

I'm still interpreting the question of this thread as "Which of these three films is the best?" not "Which of these films had the best ending?"

In which case, Terror Of MechaGodzilla is clearly the best of the three. ToMG is not only the better film out of these three, but is one of the best Godzilla films overall. The characters are surprisingly deep and complex, the villains are probably the most well developed aliens out of the entire franchise, the fight scenes are done very well (especially given the budget and era that this film was made in) and the (uncut) ending is surprisingly shocking and well done. It really is one of the better films, and I'm glad that the Showa era could end on such a good note.

As I've said before, Godzilla vs. Destoroyah is boring and uninteresting until the last 15 minutes, with the some of the most one-dimensional and bland characters of the entire franchise and a go-nowhere pacing. Godzilla: Final Wars is just absolute garbage.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby Ethan » Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:12 pm

Legion1979 wrote:People who keep saying Terror of Mechagodzilla has a happy ending obviously haven't seen the uncut version.

It's bitter-sweet. Yeah Katsura died, and Ichinose lost his boner, but Earth was saved (until 1999) and Godzilla retreated to the ocean peacefully.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby Legion1979 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:20 pm

Ethan wrote:
Legion1979 wrote:People who keep saying Terror of Mechagodzilla has a happy ending obviously haven't seen the uncut version.

It's bitter-sweet. Yeah Katsura died, and Ichinose lost his boner, but Earth was saved (until 1999) and Godzilla retreated to the ocean peacefully.


To me, there's more to a happy ending in Godzilla movies than just "Godzilla saves the day". Yes, the aliens are defeated and the Godzilla wins, but I really don't feel all that good for the human protagonists. Mafune and Katsura were both unfortunate pawns and they both paid a very tragic price.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby Ethan » Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:30 pm

There's no doubt about that. But much like Godzilla, there is still a glimpse of hope in the sunset. Ifukube's music is somewhat comforting.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby Manda2012 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:34 pm

In "G vs Destroyah", when Godzilla Junior 'died', you could see Adult G begin the energy transfer - it was a process, & it took time. It finished when Adult G melted. I disagree that Godzilla 'didn't know what was going on'. Animals are smarter than we give them credit for. I have heard too many stories of dogs & cats that after their beloved owner died, they lay down to sleep, & refused to eat, drink, or move, & they died shortly after. Godzilla knew what was happening, but still had the instinct/will to go on. When Big G saw what happened to Junior, he knew it was time to 'pass the torch', in order to save Junior. I doubt Big G knew he'd save the world in doing so.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby DagarahX » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:27 pm

Manda2012 wrote:In "G vs Destroyah", when Godzilla Junior 'died', you could see Adult G begin the energy transfer - it was a process, & it took time. It finished when Adult G melted. I disagree that Godzilla 'didn't know what was going on'. Animals are smarter than we give them credit for. I have heard too many stories of dogs & cats that after their beloved owner died, they lay down to sleep, & refused to eat, drink, or move, & they died shortly after. Godzilla knew what was happening, but still had the instinct/will to go on. When Big G saw what happened to Junior, he knew it was time to 'pass the torch', in order to save Junior. I doubt Big G knew he'd save the world in doing so.


I find that a bit hard to believe somewhat, we know that from dogs, but we don't really know what a dying Godzilla does when on the brink of passing. Mainly because that rarely happens, each Godzilla is different, and because we really have no evidence that Godzilla knew what was happening. Even if we were speculating. Most likely, he knew that something was wrong as stated by Living Corpse. He probably knew that much, but I also doubt that he knew what was exactly happening. Its probably difficult to support that Godzilla really knew since he's a fictional character, but if more was given during GvsD then it probably would have been much easier to believe or accept. But its up to the individual I suppose.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby Goji » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:41 pm

Manda2012 wrote:In "G vs Destroyah", when Godzilla Junior 'died', you could see Adult G begin the energy transfer - it was a process, & it took time. It finished when Adult G melted.


There is literally no evidence to prove this. You couldn't "see" this happening in the film. I think it's all in your head. No offense.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby GodzillaDude » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:45 pm

Goji wrote:
Manda2012 wrote:In "G vs Destroyah", when Godzilla Junior 'died', you could see Adult G begin the energy transfer - it was a process, & it took time. It finished when Adult G melted.


There is literally no evidence to prove this. You couldn't "see" this happening in the film. I think it's all in your head. No offense.


I'm pretty sure I seen some kind of light yellow/gold mist going into Junior when Godzilla lowered his head towards him. Similar to Rodan in GvMGII but who knows I may be going crazy or maybe I already am?
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby RedZillaKing » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:46 pm

Yeah, I'm sure that was Godzilla just trying to revive Junior.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby Living Corpse » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:46 pm

Is he talking about the scene where Godzilla breaths some weird energy mist onto Junior?
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby GodzillaDude » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:47 pm

Living Corpse wrote:Is he talking about the scene where Godzilla breaths some weird energy mist onto Junior?


That's what I got out of it. I believe it to be true.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby Legionmaster » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:47 pm

Living Corpse wrote:Is he talking about the scene where Godzilla breaths some weird energy mist onto Junior?

Yes, which doesn't have anything to do with Godzilla's meltdown.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby Goji » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:51 pm

Legionmaster wrote:
Living Corpse wrote:Is he talking about the scene where Godzilla breaths some weird energy mist onto Junior?

Yes, which doesn't have anything to do with Godzilla's meltdown.


Exactly.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby Tyler » Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:59 pm

Ethan wrote:Ifukube's music is somewhat comforting.


I thought it was really heartbreaking. It's like they knew it was going to be the last one for a while.

The ending to Final Wars doesn't make sense to me because they save the world, but it's completely destroyed. I guess there could be something poetic about that if the movie actually made sense, but it's like the worst case of 'better late than sorry' ever.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby ghidorasauras » Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:12 pm

^ the world wasn't destroyed just Japan
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:28 pm

ghidorasauras wrote:^ the world wasn't destroyed just Japan


All of the cities that the monsters attacked were destroyed. New York, Paris, Shanghai, Sydney, Arizona, Okinawa, etc. Not to mention the aliens sent fleets of ships all over the world.

So yeah, the world is destroyed.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:29 pm

ghidorasauras wrote:^ the world wasn't destroyed just Japan


And the USA, China, France, Australia. Meanwhile, everywhere else was overrun by chocolate covered, turtle hating fat kids.
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