Best End of Era Film

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Which of the era enders was the best?

Terror of Mechagodzilla (Showa)
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Godzilla vs Destroyah (Heisei)
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby antovald20 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:12 pm

GotengoXGodzilla-WOW! I didn't ever consider Son or Godzilla. I mean that movie is pretty sad, ever thou they don't die, its still pretty sad.

Oh! And WOW! Depressed really? I mean all of godzilla's energy goes into junior so in a way the dad didn't die he was reborn through his son, and it looked like a new series was about to begin.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:24 pm

WOW! I didn't ever consider Son or Godzilla. I mean that movie is pretty sad, ever thou they don't die, its still pretty sad.


...Um...Son Of Godzilla's ending is not sad. Quite the opposite actually. Sad moments in movies don't make me cry, incredibly happy moments do. Where everything comes together so perfectly, that not only is everything right in the world of the film, but that the ending also makes you feel like everything is right in your world too. The ending of Son Of Godzilla does that for me.

Oh! And WOW! Depressed really? I mean all of godzilla's energy goes into junior so in a way the dad didn't die he was reborn through his son, and it looked like a new series was about to begin.


A. Yeah, the dad still died. He still thinks his son died, he didn't kill his final enemy (the force that was always trying to stop him did it) and he died from a cause he most likely didn't understand. That's depressing. Everything that could go wrong for Godzilla, did go wrong. Doesn't matter if Junior was brought back to life, that Godzilla is still dead.
B. There was never going to be another series built off of the ending to Godzilla vs. Destoroyah, at least not now. So that means nothing.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby MechaZillaClone » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:15 am

Honestly, GFW has my vote. it showed that Godzilla and his son were taking a break from fighting by going to the sea. But when the G-man looked back and roared, it was like he was saying "I'll be back." Thats why I thought it was a good end of era movie.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:41 pm

MechaZillaClone wrote:Honestly, GFW has my vote. it showed that Godzilla and his son were taking a break from fighting by going to the sea. But when the G-man looked back and roared, it was like he was saying "I'll be back." Thats why I thought it was a good end of era movie.


...Terror Of MechaGodzilla does the exact same thing, and is overall a much better movie than Godzilla: Final Wars.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby Berzerkgodzilla » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:52 pm

I went with GvD, mainly because I have not seen TOMG and I hate Final Wars
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby EikoHarvey » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:13 pm

Berzerkgodzilla wrote:I went with GvD, mainly because I have not seen TOMG and I hate Final Wars

ToMG is great, I highly recommend it.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby L Lawliet » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:23 pm

Terror of Mechagodzilla, when Godzilla appeared, my Spine got goosebumps, and I was on the edge of my seat during the final battle

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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby Berzerkgodzilla » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:41 pm

EikoHarvey wrote:
Berzerkgodzilla wrote:I went with GvD, mainly because I have not seen TOMG and I hate Final Wars

ToMG is great, I highly recommend it.


I really want to get/see it, however the money I have and the money I am going to earn needs to be saved for more important things. So I'm either going to have to hope it will be on TV one day or maybe add it to my christmas list
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby Rody » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:22 pm

Do you have a library? Those can be useful too. Even if they don't have it, they might be able to get it through inter-library loan.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby GodzillaDude » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:34 pm

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
MechaZillaClone wrote:Honestly, GFW has my vote. it showed that Godzilla and his son were taking a break from fighting by going to the sea. But when the G-man looked back and roared, it was like he was saying "I'll be back." Thats why I thought it was a good end of era movie.


...Terror Of MechaGodzilla does the exact same thing, and is overall a much better movie than Godzilla: Final Wars.


Some including myself will disagree with you there. I was far more entertained by everything in Godzilla Final Wars. Although Destroyah still gets my vote as the Best End of Era film I thought Final Wars was the 2nd best one because it was basically one hyper energized fun entertaining flick all the way through...at least for me and some others on here.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:55 pm

GodzillaDude wrote:
GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
MechaZillaClone wrote:Honestly, GFW has my vote. it showed that Godzilla and his son were taking a break from fighting by going to the sea. But when the G-man looked back and roared, it was like he was saying "I'll be back." Thats why I thought it was a good end of era movie.


...Terror Of MechaGodzilla does the exact same thing, and is overall a much better movie than Godzilla: Final Wars.


Some including myself will disagree with you there. I was far more entertained by everything in Godzilla Final Wars. Although Destroyah still gets my vote as the Best End of Era film I thought Final Wars was the 2nd best one because it was basically one hyper energized fun entertaining flick all the way through...at least for me and some others on here.


...*sigh*

Okay, I'm not talking about personal opinion or enjoyment. I'm talking about critically analyzing the films and coming to a clear decision as to which one is better. That's why I said "and is overall a much better movie."

Critically, Terror Of MechaGodzilla is a pretty damn good film, with deep and complex characters in Dr. Mafune and Katsura, well made monster scenes for the budget that the film had, an engaging score, and an ending that was bold and surprising, making it stick out above many other Godzilla films.

Godzilla: Final Wars, on the other hand, is a piece of garbage. Even removing personal bias, the film is still awfully put together. With a hodgepodge story that is unoriginal in nearly every regard, bland and uninteresting characters, pacing that ranges from a snail's pace to so fast that if you blink you'll miss it, badly incorporated monster scenes that seem tacked on by the studio, a sync soundtrack that does not belong in a film like this, and a villain that fails at being villainous. Critically, Godzilla: Final Wars is one of the worst made Godzilla films.

Thus, critically, Terror Of MechaGodzilla is much better film then Godzilla: Final Wars. If you're entertained by GFW, that's fine, but I'm not talking about personal enjoyment at the moment. Personal enjoyment is different and should often be separated from critical evaluation.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby GodzillaDude » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:59 pm

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:...*sigh*

Okay, I'm not talking about personal opinion or enjoyment. I'm talking about critically analyzing the films and coming to a clear decision as to which one is better. That's why I said "and is overall a much better movie."

Critically, Terror Of MechaGodzilla is a pretty damn good film, with deep and complex characters in Dr. Mafune and Katsura, well made monster scenes for the budget that the film had, an engaging score, and an ending that was bold and surprising, making it stick out above many other Godzilla films.

Godzilla: Final Wars, on the other hand, is a piece of garbage. Even removing personal bias, the film is still awfully put together. With a hodgepodge story that is unoriginal in nearly every regard, bland and uninteresting characters, pacing that ranges from a snail's pace to so fast that if you blink you'll miss it, badly incorporated monster scenes that seem tacked on by the studio, a sync soundtrack that does not belong in a film like this, and a villain that fails at being villainous. Critically, Godzilla: Final Wars is one of the worst made Godzilla films.

Thus, critically, Terror Of MechaGodzilla is much better film then Godzilla: Final Wars. If you're entertained by GFW, that's fine, but I'm not talking about personal enjoyment at the moment. Personal enjoyment is different and should often be separated from critical evaluation.


Okay I admit critically GFW is not that great but as far as my personal enjoyment goes it is my 3rd favorite Godzilla movie of all time. It felt like a big anniversary bash! I liked Terror of Mechagodzilla no question but I like GFW helluva lot more. I found the characters to be a lot more entertaining then the usual.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:11 pm

GodzillaDude wrote:
GotengoXGodzilla wrote:...*sigh*

Okay, I'm not talking about personal opinion or enjoyment. I'm talking about critically analyzing the films and coming to a clear decision as to which one is better. That's why I said "and is overall a much better movie."

Critically, Terror Of MechaGodzilla is a pretty damn good film, with deep and complex characters in Dr. Mafune and Katsura, well made monster scenes for the budget that the film had, an engaging score, and an ending that was bold and surprising, making it stick out above many other Godzilla films.

Godzilla: Final Wars, on the other hand, is a piece of garbage. Even removing personal bias, the film is still awfully put together. With a hodgepodge story that is unoriginal in nearly every regard, bland and uninteresting characters, pacing that ranges from a snail's pace to so fast that if you blink you'll miss it, badly incorporated monster scenes that seem tacked on by the studio, a sync soundtrack that does not belong in a film like this, and a villain that fails at being villainous. Critically, Godzilla: Final Wars is one of the worst made Godzilla films.

Thus, critically, Terror Of MechaGodzilla is much better film then Godzilla: Final Wars. If you're entertained by GFW, that's fine, but I'm not talking about personal enjoyment at the moment. Personal enjoyment is different and should often be separated from critical evaluation.


Okay I admit critically GFW is not that great but as far as my personal enjoyment goes it is my 3rd favorite Godzilla movie of all time. It felt like a big anniversary bash! I liked Terror of Mechagodzilla no question but I like GFW helluva lot more. I found the characters to be a lot more entertaining then the usual.


That has nothing to do with my "Terror Of MechaGodzilla is overall a much better movie than Godzilla: Final Wars" argument. Like I said, if you like GFW, that's fine. But critically, GFW is one of the worst Godzilla films.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby Dr. Nishiyama » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:28 pm

Destroy All Monsters gets my vote since it was intended to be the end of an era, and it sorta was with the passing of Tsuburaya in 1970 as well as the collapse of the Japanese film industry resulting in many key players not coming back to the 70s entries (sans TOMG).

Terror, while a good movie (minus the confusing script) was never intended to be the last of the showa series (the end to that one was no different to any other entry in the 70s) With DAM, you get a sense of closure. The monsters live happily ever after on Monster Land in the far off future of the year of 1999.

I also felt GFW's ending was reminiscent of the 70s entries, with Godzilla heading out to see and roaring goodbye (like in Gigan and TOMG)

Destoroyah, I think, also had a nice conclusion. Godzilla dies, but another one is born. Reminded me of what the Futurians said in GvsKG about Godzilla's birth being inevitable in just about any scenario. (although I still find the Destorotah bland and dull for the most part)

Also in the subbed version of GvsD, the Super X3 captain, before lifting off for one last time, says something like, "Our budget for next year is at zero. Let's hope there will be a next year". In the dubbed version, he says something like "Let's take out that big lizard". UGH!)
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby GodzillaDude » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:24 pm

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
GodzillaDude wrote:
GotengoXGodzilla wrote:...*sigh*

Okay, I'm not talking about personal opinion or enjoyment. I'm talking about critically analyzing the films and coming to a clear decision as to which one is better. That's why I said "and is overall a much better movie."

Critically, Terror Of MechaGodzilla is a pretty damn good film, with deep and complex characters in Dr. Mafune and Katsura, well made monster scenes for the budget that the film had, an engaging score, and an ending that was bold and surprising, making it stick out above many other Godzilla films.

Godzilla: Final Wars, on the other hand, is a piece of garbage. Even removing personal bias, the film is still awfully put together. With a hodgepodge story that is unoriginal in nearly every regard, bland and uninteresting characters, pacing that ranges from a snail's pace to so fast that if you blink you'll miss it, badly incorporated monster scenes that seem tacked on by the studio, a sync soundtrack that does not belong in a film like this, and a villain that fails at being villainous. Critically, Godzilla: Final Wars is one of the worst made Godzilla films.

Thus, critically, Terror Of MechaGodzilla is much better film then Godzilla: Final Wars. If you're entertained by GFW, that's fine, but I'm not talking about personal enjoyment at the moment. Personal enjoyment is different and should often be separated from critical evaluation.


Okay I admit critically GFW is not that great but as far as my personal enjoyment goes it is my 3rd favorite Godzilla movie of all time. It felt like a big anniversary bash! I liked Terror of Mechagodzilla no question but I like GFW helluva lot more. I found the characters to be a lot more entertaining then the usual.


That has nothing to do with my "Terror Of MechaGodzilla is overall a much better movie than Godzilla: Final Wars" argument. Like I said, if you like GFW, that's fine. But critically, GFW is one of the worst Godzilla films.


I think GFW is a much better movie because it is far more entertaining when it comes to the human characters, kaiju and just about everything else. That's why it is better.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:40 pm

I think GFW is a much better movie because it is far more entertaining when it comes to the human characters, kaiju and just about everything else. That's why it is better.


...Wow, that's a really vague and un-descriptive response. You might as well have said, "I think GFW is better because it's better."

What you just told says nothing about the film, or tells me why the film is better. You just mention the characters and monsters, but nothing about why they're so "good". Besides, you contradict yourself immediately..."GFW is a much better movie because it's far more entertaining..."

You go straight from critical analysis to personal opinion. Not to mention, what I said about analyzing GFW and ToMG critically still stands. Comparing those two, I would say that the characters in ToMG are much better than the characters from GFW. Also, "just about everything else" always makes me laugh, because it makes that person look like they can't come up with anything better to say, but wanted a third good point anyway, so they continue to be as vague as possible.

Yeah, I still stand by what I said.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby RedZillaKing » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:48 pm

GFW had some very impressive suits and special effects. Can't say much more about it. It's a mark of shame that will stain Godzilla till we get another good film.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby GodzillaDude » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:52 pm

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
I think GFW is a much better movie because it is far more entertaining when it comes to the human characters, kaiju and just about everything else. That's why it is better.


...Wow, that's a really vague and un-descriptive response. You might as well have said, "I think GFW is better because it's better."

What you just told says nothing about the film, or tells me why the film is better. You just mention the characters and monsters, but nothing about why they're so "good". Besides, you contradict yourself immediately..."GFW is a much better movie because it's far more entertaining..."

You go straight from critical analysis to personal opinion. Not to mention, what I said about analyzing GFW and ToMG critically still stands. Comparing those two, I would say that the characters in ToMG are much better than the characters from GFW. Also, "just about everything else" always makes me laugh, because it makes that person look like they can't come up with anything better to say, but wanted a third good point anyway, so they continue to be as vague as possible.

Yeah, I still stand by what I said.


I like the...

Captain Gordon character because...he actually has a backstory with Godzilla, certain scenes had some good acting, has a good personality, can give laughs and was badass with the sword.

Shinichi Ozaki character because...his scenes showed some good acting, he made you actually care about the character, and his character has some good exchanges at the end with

The main villain Xilien Leader...his acting burned arrogance and cockiness, interesting that that exact quality led to his eventual downfall

Godzilla's release was one of the most epic scenes in the franchise with the subtle blue flash and than Gigan was nailed with the Atomic Ray and the music went perfectly with it in that scene.

Although the score didn't really fit with the Godzilla franchise as a whole it made the scenes feel more epic to me.

Although the monster battles were short they were also sweet because every move that happened was exciting and the final battle was great because it invovled 2 on 2 at one point as well as 1 on 2 and it was interesting how Godzilla dealt with both Monster X and Gigan at once and than did a new version of the Spiral Ray at the end to destroy Keizer Ghidorah.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby Legionmaster » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:58 pm

Guys, stop liking things GxG doesn't like. Because you're wrong.
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Re: Best End of Era Film

Postby antovald20 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:06 pm

^True can't like something unless it's from the Showa era.
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