Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

[Cimmerian Dragon]

Well one thing is for sure is that in 30 years we'll all still be bitchin about the little things in a movie.

The big things, too.

Mostly the latter, in this case.

Actually, the best thing about Final Wars is that it teaches us (in some, tragi-comic way) that the small imperfections really aren't so bad, and all those complaints we had about the past G-films really pale in comparison to the far greater things that could have gone wrong.

[GodzillaDude]

I just got done rewatching Final Wars and I have to say it really doesn't deserve all the hate it gets. The humans are actually entertaining in this movie and not dull like in a lot of the others and it keeps you at least entertained throughout.

[edgaguirus]

I just got done rewatching Final Wars..... The humans are actually entertaining in this movie and not dull like in a lot of the others

Really? They didn't seem that entertaining to me, with the exception of the over the top villian.

[GodzillaDude]

I just got done rewatching Final Wars..... The humans are actually entertaining in this movie and not dull like in a lot of the others

Really? They didn't seem that entertaining to me, with the exception of the over the top villian.

I never said they were the most entertaining characters ever on film I just said they were a lot closer to that then the usual dull characters.

[Goji]

How about giving us an example of a "usual dull character" from a Godzilla film.

[PRIMEVAL]

I liked the mustache guy, even though he's not that great of an actor. Must be the mustache...

[GodzillaDude]

How about giving us an example of a "usual dull character" from a Godzilla film.

Well there are plenty of them but for some examples the Showa films didn't exactly have the most interesting human characters.

[Goji]

There were fifteen Godzilla films made in the Showa era, compared to the two made in the 80's, five in the 90's, and six in the 2000's (though technically G2K is a "90's" film). With 15 films under their belt made within only a 16 time span, not all of the Showa films were going to blow your mind with their characters, especially after things got super outlandish in the 70's.

When you have that many films in a series, some of the later ones are bound to suffer in quality. Most (key word here) of the Showa films still have the best characters in the entire series. Most of the characters seen in the 90's were extremely forgettable, outside of Colonial Shindo (who was played by a Showa veteran, mind you).

[GodzillaDude]

There were fifteen Godzilla films made in the Showa era, compared to the two made in the 80's, five in the 90's, and six in the 2000's (though technically G2K is a "90's" film). With 15 films under their belt made within only a 16 time span, not all of the Showa films were going to blow your mind with their characters, especially after things got super outlandish in the 70's.

When you have that many films in a series, some of the later ones are bound to suffer in quality. Most (key word here) of the Showa films still have the best characters in the entire series. Most of the characters seen in the 90's were extremely forgettable, outside of Colonial Shindo (who was played by a Showa veteran, mind you).

I find myself enjoying most (key word here) Heisei characters more then the Showa characters. But to be honest none of the Godzilla films exactly "blow our minds" with their human characters just some were/are better than others.

[Legion1979]

I find myself enjoying most (key word here) Heisei characters more then the Showa characters.

Suit yourself. I put the human characters in the first film, KKvsG through Son of Godzilla and even a few '70s films far, far, FAR above just about any character in any Heisei film. I seriously don't understand this appeal that the '90s human characters have for some fans. It seriously doesn't make sense to me.

[GodzillaDude]

I find myself enjoying most (key word here) Heisei characters more then the Showa characters.

Suit yourself. I put the human characters in the first film, KKvsG through Son of Godzilla and even a few '70s films far, far, FAR above just about any character in any Heisei film. I seriously don't understand this appeal that the '90s human characters have for some fans. It seriously doesn't make sense to me.

Well I'm not gonna argue your opinion. We all have them. We all have different tastes and that is what I think it obviously comes down to.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

There were fifteen Godzilla films made in the Showa era, compared to the two made in the 80's, five in the 90's, and six in the 2000's (though technically G2K is a "90's" film). With 15 films under their belt made within only a 16 time span, not all of the Showa films were going to blow your mind with their characters, especially after things got super outlandish in the 70's.

When you have that many films in a series, some of the later ones are bound to suffer in quality. Most (key word here) of the Showa films still have the best characters in the entire series. Most of the characters seen in the 90's were extremely forgettable, outside of Colonial Shindo (who was played by a Showa veteran, mind you).

I find myself enjoying most (key word here) Heisei characters more then the Showa characters. But to be honest none of the Godzilla films exactly "blow our minds" with their human characters just some were/are better than others.

Then I would suggest you rewatch Mothra vs. Godzilla, Ebirah, Horror Of The Deep, Son Of Godzilla and Terror Of MechaGodzilla and focus specifically on the characters and how they're written.

Honestly, all four of those films show just how well human characters can be written for monster films. Compared to the Heisei characters, the Showa characters are written better in just about every conceivable way. Hell, even at the worst of the Showa era, I would still gladly take their characters over the bland, dull and one-dimensional characters of Heisei era. Give me Rex Dart: Eskimo Spy over Miki Sageusa any day.

[GodzillaDude]

There were fifteen Godzilla films made in the Showa era, compared to the two made in the 80's, five in the 90's, and six in the 2000's (though technically G2K is a "90's" film). With 15 films under their belt made within only a 16 time span, not all of the Showa films were going to blow your mind with their characters, especially after things got super outlandish in the 70's.

When you have that many films in a series, some of the later ones are bound to suffer in quality. Most (key word here) of the Showa films still have the best characters in the entire series. Most of the characters seen in the 90's were extremely forgettable, outside of Colonial Shindo (who was played by a Showa veteran, mind you).

I find myself enjoying most (key word here) Heisei characters more then the Showa characters. But to be honest none of the Godzilla films exactly "blow our minds" with their human characters just some were/are better than others.

Then I would suggest you rewatch Mothra vs. Godzilla, Ebirah, Horror Of The Deep, Son Of Godzilla and Terror Of MechaGodzilla and focus specifically on the characters and how they're written.

Honestly, all four of those films show just how well human characters can be written for monster films. Compared to the Heisei characters, the Showa characters are written better in just about every conceivable way. Hell, even at the worst of the Showa era, I would still gladly take their characters over the bland, dull and one-dimensional characters of Heisei era. Give me Rex Dart: Eskimo Spy over Miki Sageusa any day.

I would disagree with you here. Although some of the films you mentioned do have some decent characters. Still I think it really comes down to personal taste or maybe even your particular mood.

[Killswitch]

IMO, the human characters are better in the Showa series. That includes the lower budget films of the 70's.

[Tim85]

Captain Gordan was my Dad's favorite character in the movie. I still hear him laugh whenever he says certain lines.

I really enjoyed the Xilian Controller, I don't know why. He's the little kid who gets the keys to the car(taking control of the invasion) and crashes it horribly (Godzilla). This is why I use him as my main villian in my stories. He's arragance gets the better of him and he pays the price.

[shinmattiathekaiju]

IMO, the human characters are better in the Showa series.

Meh, i kind off agree.

[GodzillaDude]

IMO, the human characters are better in the Showa series. That includes the lower budget films of the 70's.

If you prefer somewhat cheesy somewhat overacted characters then yes they are better. But I think what it really comes down to is personal taste. For the most part the Showa characters are campy, kid friendly characters and have a kid friendly attitude/personality while most of the Heisei and Millennium characters are serious.

Key phrase: most of

[GotengoXGodzilla]

IMO, the human characters are better in the Showa series. That includes the lower budget films of the 70's.

If you prefer somewhat cheesy somewhat overacted characters then yes they are better. But I think what it really comes down to is personal taste. For the most part the Showa characters are campy, kid friendly characters and have a kid friendly attitude/personality while most of the Heisei and Millennium characters are serious.

Key phrase: most of

There's nothing "cheesy" or "campy" about the characters in the Showa series. Hell, most of them aren't even kid friendly. Just look at Godzilla vs. Hedorah or Invasion Of The Astro-Monster. Almost all of the characters in those films are taken very seriously, with little to no joking around.

What you're saying now really isn't making much sense anymore.

[GodzillaDude]

IMO, the human characters are better in the Showa series. That includes the lower budget films of the 70's.

If you prefer somewhat cheesy somewhat overacted characters then yes they are better. But I think what it really comes down to is personal taste. For the most part the Showa characters are campy, kid friendly characters and have a kid friendly attitude/personality while most of the Heisei and Millennium characters are serious.

Key phrase: most of

There's nothing "cheesy" or "campy" about the characters in the Showa series. Hell, most of them aren't even kid friendly. Just look at Godzilla vs. Hedorah or Invasion Of The Astro-Monster. Almost all of the characters in those films are taken very seriously, with little to no joking around.

What you're saying now really isn't making much sense anymore.

Most of the Showa series at least from Son of Godzill and on were/are meant to be campy and kid friendly for the most part.

What I say makes sense it is just another POV.

[TokyoVigilante]

It's a baseless generalization and it's based on this dumb misconception that the Heisei films weren't the same general audience "kid friendly" pablum as the seventies films.

Unless you can explain how the nineties films were heavy dramas for a more sophisticated audience, otherwise everything your saying doesn't make sense.