The Avengers EMHs/Avengers Assemble

[mecha-gino]

Well the shows getting cancelled due to Jeph Loeb thinking it's not like ultimate spider-man in that it doesn't have enough unfunny jokes and it's too high brow for children and needs to get dumb down.

Well, so much for my hopes of seeing The Sentry and Thanos and an episode based on the what if episode if the avengers fought Galactus.

[o.supreme]

Thanks MG for bumping this thread. Now my rant which I had planned since I heard the above mantioned news a while back...

I’ve been following season two since it began airing a month ago, and while it isn’t quite as epic as season one was, I think it is still very good. What ticks me off however are all the rumors going around that the series is getting cancelled. Truth be told, I don’t think it’s getting “cancelled” as much as “not being renewed”. There is a huge difference. A show not being renewed indicates that the decision was made not to make any additional episodes past the ones made in the original (or extended) contractual agreement. “Cancellation” to me indicates that a series will be cut short due to significantly underperforming.

Some examples: The original Batman TAS received 2 contractual extensions beyond its initial 65 episode contract from 1992-1994. 20 additional episodes in 1995 and 24 more in 1997 for a total of 109 by the time the series ended. For Godzilla the animated series FOX kids purchased 40 episodes which aired from 1998-2000, and no more were ordered, thus it simply ended. Wolverine & The X-Men was legitimately cancelled however since Season 2 was under development, stories and character designs were being completed, however The powers that be decided to cut it before it got too far. Legion of Super Heroes & Spectacular Spider-Man are also examples of “cancelled” series that both had a 3rd season planned, but never came to fruition.

Now all that being said, I am still angered if the opinions of one man, Jeph Loeb ,will cause this series NOT to be extended for a 3rd season. Those familiar with comics will recognize the name as he has written much for both Marvel & DC as well as many different TV series. Apparently in late 2010 he became the Executive Vice President, Head of Television, for Marvel/Disney and would work with publisher Dan Buckley, to create both live-action and animated shows based on Marvel’s catalog of characters.

So basically his first act is to get rid of all the “old guard”, which currently consists of Iron Man:Armored Adventures on Nicktoons & Avengers:EMH. While I don’t see much more that can be done with the Nick IM series, I am immensely frustrated that the first Marvel animated series to be really good since Fox’s X-Men in 1992 is not going to have a 3rd season. I’m even hearing rumors that the 2nd half of season 2 of Avengers: EMH is pretty much reduced to “stand alone” episodes because Loeb doesn’t like the idea of long story arcs. (It isn’t clear whether he doesn’t like them personally, or if he thinks kids are too dumb and wouldn’t watch for fear of having missed something). This I find a bit hypocritical however since I just watched at least an hour of interview footage with Loeb praising the Iron Man & X-Men Anime as seen on G4, which were in fact a singular long story arc told over 12 episodes each. Loeb seems to be planning a new Avengers series more in line with Ultimate Spider-Man. If this happens, then I’m done with Marvel animation for the time being. It took 15 years to bring me back, and now after a brief shining series, I’m gone again. Is anyone at Marvel (including Loeb) watching DC nation on CN? Young Justice has a very complex story arc, especially for kids, yet I’m assuming (hoping) it is probably one of the networks most successful shows. If a new Avengers animated series is made and reduced to 22 minute stand alone episodes that all mimic what will be seen in this springs blockbuster movie, or Ultimate Spider-Man this would be very sad IMHO.

[mecha-gino]

I've been told by the Simon Furman hater that if I don't bump this, he'll break my legs. D:

[o.supreme]

If Simon Furman was writing this show, I'd break my own... .

But anyway. Thank you. There are at least 10 new episodes in the coming days that haven't aired yet in the U.S. As of this writing, I've seen 6 of them, all the way up to eason 2 Episode 14-the first appearance . The Skrull invasion Arc has ended, which had a lot of cool twists and turns. Red Hulk also made his first appearance, also there was a pretty cool Spider-Man episode as well. I'm going on Vacation starting Monday, but if anyone wants to watch new episodes that probably wont air in the US for anywhere from 3 weeks to 2 months at least, feel free to PM me for a link.

Below is a copy of a more detailed post I made on scifijapan.com a couple of days ago:

I just wached S2E9 "Nightmare in Red" introducing Red Hulk . A really awesome episode, also one scene lead me to do some research. We see a nameless man in a suit giving Red Hulk orders. He is shown to have assembled a team consisting of Doc Samson, Winter Soldier, Red Hulk, & Falcon. According to online sources the mans name is Dell Rusk (one of the Red Skulls aliases). But at this point we dont know if this is really the Red Skull or a Skrull infiltration tactic.

Also S2E10 "Prisoner of War" Captain America leads a prison break and revolt of all earth prisoners aboard a Skrull ship, (Gyrich, Mockingbird, Viper, a Shield agent, an AIM member, one of the Serpent Society, and of course Sue Storm from the F4). They put aside their differences & escape, so now the Skrull are forced to step up their plans and begin their invasion. Galactus is introduced in a "foreshadowing" of Skrull prophecy. Its kind of sad knowing there will be no season 3, and this will most likely be a plot element that wont be reached by the end of season 2, but I guess anything is possible. Also Super Skrull is introduced.

[The One and Only]

Returning a favor for one o. supreme. Sorry to see this show getting the axe by the way. Damn Leob.

[o.supreme]

Thank You

Last night I watched the final 4 episodes. It was bitterweet. You can defintiely feel Jeph Loebs influence forcing these stories all to be resolved in one 22 minute episode although #24 and #25 with the Kree managed to be two parts somehow. But I feel that with the bind the show producers were in, they did the best they possibly could. The last episode is really awesome in that it features ALL the Avengers together in what can only be called a superficial battle with Galactus. They get their finale, and standing ovation in the end, which is really cool.

To me A:EMH is probably the Best overall Marvel based animated series since Fox's Spider-Man from 1993-1997. I feel bad for the show producers because this is no less than the 3rd time they have been screwed by Marvel (The first two being the premature ending of Marvel animated feature films with Lionsgate, and the second being Wolverine & The X-Men on Nickelodean mid way through producing a second season).

I wouldn't be suprised if this turn of events upset this team to the point of not producing anything more for Marvel Ent. However I do know this- Loeb & Co. Will be hard pressed when their "Avengers Assemble" series comes out in late 2013/early 2014 to surpass the quality of A:EMH. My fear is that if they try to make it too much as a movie tie in, or connected to Ultimate Spider-Man, that it will ultimately sacrifice quality story telling for a "Bam" in your face feel, or too much quirky humor. All in all a great show however. I cant wait to get these on DVD eventually, though at the pace Disney XD is airing them, they wont be done until October, and probably a DVD release wont be for another 6-12 months after that. Thankfully streaming these is a sinch so i can get my Avengers fix easily, whenever I need to come back to it. A Great show overall that will be remembered postively for the most part by me.

[mecha-gino]

Well looks like we're getting a sequel in the form of Avengers Assemble.

Before I go and change the topic's title, at first I felt I wasn't going to like EMHs anymore as some of the season 2 episodes weren't clicking.... Until the Beta Ray Bill episode I watched changed my mind and now I love the show again!!!

Now to change the title before we have a man of steel incident again, hehe.

[o.supreme]

I've seen all the episodes up until the end of the series. Considering all the crap Jeph Loeb pulled, the series still ends on a respectful note.

Can you site any referrence where its statd hat AA will be an official sequel to EMH? I thought they would be totaly unrelated.

[mecha-gino]

LAZY MAN!!! Hehe, here we go straight from comic con:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... e&id=39793

[o.supreme]

Well it was an interesting read. Thank you. It just sounds like Loeb was covering for himself in a room full of A:EMH fans probably not too happy about one of their favorite shows getting cut short in favor of a more stylized movie-verse tie in. I find it odd the comment "The voice work is not final" in conneciton with the animation clip. Anyone who knows anything about animation knows that the voices are recorded long before anything is animated (unless doing ADR). Maybe he is working frantically to get the A:EMH voice cast back together? If it dosen't have the same cast & they aren't the same VA's however I'm not buying into it.

*update* I just read on Wikipedia (entry for "A:EMH") that the Avengers cast will be the same cast as the Movie, (No Wasp, Yellowjacket, Vision, Black Panther, Ms. Marvel) and the team will have a different orgin (Shield/Nick Fury ala the movie, not Tony Stark), this is NO SEQUEL.

It feels like Spider-Man Unlimited (1999), it is supposed to be a "sequel" to the 1993-1997 Spider-Man series, but if you watch it, they are nothing alike. a 5 second que of music from the 1993 series forced into the first episode is the ONLY THING that I can see that would tie these two series together. Not the same VA's, not even the same characters really. Oh Loeb... you should just go back to writing comics

[mecha-gino]

So I've been impatient about waiting for the rest of the series to hit on demand, so all day I've been watching EMHs in order to catch up with what I missed even though I hate watching shows online the naughty no no way.

All I've gotta say is GAAAAWD!!! How could I forget how awesome this series was? It's all good and the Skrull storyline was pretty good as well. Along came a spider was an awesome episode but I wish Spidey could of had an adventure with the avengers instead of Capt but watching the episode it shows you HOW TO DO SPIDER-MAN IN A CARTOON!!! Kind of wish we could hear Josh Keaton's spidey like it was suppose to be before it got dubbed over.

Overall I'm happy that I'm pretty much caught up and although the other episodes are online up until the final episode, I'll hold my tongue and wait for more to air in the states. Oh and did I mention season two is getting a PROPER DVD release sort of?


.... Also I found Madam Viper to be hot in recent episodes. >.>

[o.supreme]

I hate watching shows online the naughty no no way.

I understand if you have a personal dislike of spoilers, but how is it wrong to watch something online that has aired in another country wrong? If Disney XD wanted to have maximum viewer support they would have all thier shows air uniformly around the world. We live in a time now, as never before, when it is possible to watch almost anything from anywhere. I live on the west coast. If I wanted to see something bad enough, I'll find a way to watch it from the East Coast Broadcast 3 hours earlier. I remember the same thing happened with Wolverine and the X-Men. I bought (legally) the steelbook DVD complete series from Canada probably a full 2 months before Nick Toons aired the series final 5 or 6 episodes.

But as for the episodes themselves. Yes they are great. Even the last 13 even though they were self contained stories. I just wish the Surtur storyline had been completed and not left hanging.

[mecha-gino]

I just don't like watching things illegally, it's simple as that.

I'll only do it if it's 100% necessary like for example ultraman.

And now to the latest episode that aired here, I watched Assualt on 42 and I kind of liked it. Reminds me of a horror movie and people die in it. :O Annihilus while cool in the episode, I felt was underused and should been more developed and had a bigger presence/force. Also I kind of wish Kang was in the episode as he could of helped take the annihilation wave down probably.

[o.supreme]

bumped for mecha-gino. Hope you enjoyed the finale' The last DVD set (Volume 6) comes out on 2/19/13

[mecha-gino]

Huh, I swore I posted in here last month. Anyway, thanks for the bump Omega Supreme.

Right, EMHs. I finished season 2 last month and while it was good... I do have some problems but let me elaborate a little.

I liked the Kree episodes and the one with Kang, I like them. However I felt the last episode should of been WAAAAAY longer and be more epic then it was. I mean this is FRIGGIN GALACTUS, like one of the biggest non-villain threats out there. There's no way in hell he should have his introduction episode be one shot. And with all I'm about to say leads me to believe Jeph Loeb has a hate of all that's good and wanted a series a lot of ultimate spider-man and here's the evidence I will present which may make you agree with me.

Exibit A: Prior to season 2's premiere, we've seen promotional images of The Avengers with the X-Men, the watcher, Alpha flight, and Ms. Marvel(the black one) I think. I maybe be wrong with a few of those but you get what I mean.

Exibit B: There's concept art of what if season 3 happened, a lot of them are interesting.

And finally (SPOILER BTW)
Exibit C: A loose end with a BIG threat that doesn't get resolved, I'm talking about Surtur. HOW THE HELL CAN YOU FORGET A GUY WHO'S SWORD CAN DESTROY PLANETS AND GALAXIES!? Seriously, wtf!? I originally thought the DVD exclusive episode would of tied that up but nope, it did not.

So there you go, my evidence that makes me think Jeph Loeb wanted it gone but couldn't just yet. Agree or disagree if you want and later I'll provide links to the pictures I was talking about.

Back to a non-Loeb rant: Now even though I said all that and while watching season 2 and telling it was rushed, I still like it. Granted I like season one more but it's not the show's fault but rather Loeb's.

I would LOVE to buy the series on DVD but the problem being the DVD releases I feel are a bit too expensive for season one(like what, each one has like 6 episodes and costs 14.99 a pop) for DVDs that have little episodes on them. I'm going to wait until the prices go down and then maybe I'll buy them.... Course season 2 they had to mess up with episode order but at least season 2 is comprised of two DVD sets.

[o.supreme]

Mecha-Gino. The first season sets (volumes 1-4) have ben reduced in price. The Wal-Mart in my area has them all for $10. volume 5 & 6(which just came out yesterday) I think are around $15. Not to bad for 1/2 a season. My only gripe is of course the out-of-order sequencing of the season 2 episodes, but at leats they are all there.

Glad you joined tyhe anti-Loeb camp . Yes I would love to have seen how the second half of season 2 would have went (and a possible season 3) had he not gotten involved. Oh well. It's sad to say, but I will be watching Avengers Assemble with quite a bias goign in. I just hope if it is legitmimately good I can overlook my feelings about the rotten deal EMH got.

[mecha-gino]

I'll post my findings later buuuut...
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ ... s/?a=75390
*sniff sniff* You smell that? I smell Jeph Loeb's bullshit.
This sounds exactly like a new series with no previous continuity. Granted the description sounds cool, ESPCIALLY the Dracula one but yeah... skreeonk you Loeb! Why is it so hard to work past the 52 episode mark? You think people will lose interest, ESPCIALLY with the Box office hit the avengers turned out to be? You're stupid.

Yes, it sounds silly to act like this over a cartoon but the point still stands.

HOWEVER I will watch it and see how it is but if it's anything like season one of ultimate spiderman, then NO ES BUENO!!!

The new series will start in July but we're getting a special one hour look at it in late May. So it might be good, might be bad but we all now know Jeph Lied to us.

Btw, does anyone know when the new iron man series they're planning is coming out?

[o.supreme]

Welcome to the to the anti-loeb club mecha-gino. Your button and T-Shirt are in the mail . I pretty much knew AA wouldn't be a continuation from day one, but it is what it is, and of course I'll give it a shot when it does air.

Btw, does anyone know when the new iron man series they're planning is coming out?

I'm not aware of a new SERIES, but 2 direct-to Video films are coming soon:

Iron Man:Rise of Technovore comes out on 4/16 and is a follow up to the IM Anime series.

http://www.amazon.com/Iron-Man-Rise-Tec ... technovore

Also there is Marvel Iron Man & Hulk: Heroes United . A not-so-great looking CG film (looks similiar to IM:Armored Adventures from Nickelodean) but Iron Man is at least an adult. There is no release date yet, but I'm thinking it has to be close to May to tie-in with the hype of IM3.

The only other series I know of is HULK and the Agents of S.M.A.S.H which is supposed to start late in 2013 on Toon Disney

[mecha-gino]

Yeah hi, are you the president of the club? Because I joined in 09 but left in 011 yet I never got any of those.

HAHAHA! But yeah, I thought it would premiere this year but I guess not. Some news came in late last year that Disney was doing a iron man show but so far I've heard nothing. Maybe we'll hear something at comic con this year, but yeah Jeph Loeb, all of my hate, etc etc.

And is it me or with the CGI film(it's been a while since I saw the trailer), Hulk resembles the Ang Lee Hulk?

ANNNNND speaking of Hulk, that new hulk series since I'm too lazy to look up my own topic....
I like it how Hulk is getting his own series, I like that Seth Green and Clancy Brown are in it, and I LOOOOOVE that Devil Dinosaur is in it from the description.... But I have some fears and it's description sounds like Ultimate Spider-Man season one.

So that's another we'll have to wait and see.

[kaijuguy19]

I've seen the entire series since the beginning of the month and I have to say this is one of my favourite Marvel shows along with Spectacular Spider-Man,and X-Men Evolution. The story and characters are very well done. I really liked how they did Wasp and Ant/Giantman.

Sad to see the show end like this.