Monster Discussion: Kiryu

[Goji]

Kiryu was the best thing to happen to the Mechagodzilla character since the original incarnation in the 70's. Like Arrow said above, the Heisei incarnation was boring as hell, in every possible way (design, execution, the works). Even as a 10 year old, I remember seeing the design in a Japanese book, and saying to myself "...that's the new Mechagodzilla?". Luckily the movie was flashy enough to keep my attention...until I got older.

The funniest thing about the fans of the Heisei MG is that the reason he's usually they're favorite is because "he's so powerful" or "he almost killed Godzilla man!".

[Legion1979]

.......or, in Kiryu's case, a fairly weak, easily damaged critter unlike the dominating, unstoppable force he was in the previous 2 incarnations.

Well I'll take the original any day. And while I like the Heisei Mecahgodzilla's arsenal, Kiryu has far more personality and a much cooler design as far as I'm concerned. Despite his weaknesses, he still gave Godzilla a decent fight, and at least he was one Mechagodzilla that didn't get blown to kingdom come. So I wouldn't say he's that easily damaged.

[G1 Startruck Jonez]

Can somebody explain to me how Kiryu-Zilla Peaced Out the kid in Tokyo SOS?
lame.

[DrKaiju1954]

Kiryu is a all around awesome kaiju,he looks pretty goddamn awesome,he fights pretty well,and has a interesting story.Besides the first MechaGodzilla he is my favorite mecha.

[nishiyama hakasei]

I like Kiryu, he's the most "detailed" of Mechagodzillas concerning how he works and all that, but I hate hate HATED his salute-happy pilots. Chujo in SOS was one of the most annoying characters in a G film (same with Akane, even if she was gorgeous). As far as ranking goes, Kiryu's my 3rd fave, mainly because heisei MG didn't have padded out scenes of his pilots trying to "bond" with him. My fave will always be Showa MG though

[Showa Gyaos]

Really? You sure did sound like you were in you're bitch fest on the last page. You're "reasons" didn't even make sense. Just putting that out there.

Okay then, answer this: If Kiryu Saga Godzilla wasn't a dumbed down incarnation, why is it that the G2K, GvMg, and GMK versions reacted quicker when attacked, whereas Kiryu Saga Godzilla had no such instinctive trait whatsoever? Again, he often reeled back when in pain, and I am certain that any previous Godzilla incarnation of the Millennium series would have scrapped Kiryu.

[Primevalgodzilla V2]

As long as the movie is good, the monster has a good design, personality, and is executed well, then I don't see what difference it makes. Baragon is popular in Japan without having to be some supersized, overpowered monster. And I'd say that the '54 Godzilla is superior to Kiryu Godzilla despite being the (seemingly) weaker incarnation - in terms of design, execution, and movie quality.

Well, Shwoa Godzilla, while weak in the FMish sense, is an undomitable force in his movie. So is Showa KG and other kaiju. Kiryu's pretty wimpy and easily damaged, unlike his previous incarnations.

Admittedly, I also like a number of kaiju because of their power. But I also like a good number of weak kaiju too.

[Arrow]

Well, Shwoa Godzilla, while weak in the FMish sense, is an undomitable force in his movie.

Depends which movie. King Kong vs. Godzilla or Mothra vs. Godzilla yeah, he was presented pretty powerfully. But then you get a Godzilla vs. Hedorah or a Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla where he's undeniably the underdog. But I consider him - especially his later incarnations - the definite Godzilla for me simply because he makes up for not being overpowered by having an actual character and being in some good movies.

Kiryu's pretty wimpy and easily damaged, unlike his previous incarnations.

True. But I think he's got a lot of other attributes - like a cool design, is executed well, and an interesting backstory - even if he's fragile and I dislike his movies. My personal favorite Mechagodzilla, although I'll admit that I like the Showa version. FM-wise, Heisei Mechagodzilla's probably the most powerful but I like him least. Not a fan of the design, he's an uninteresting concept (wow, another weapon for G-Force to attack Godzilla with, haven't seen that before), and he's executed poorly. Ironically, I prefer his movie to Kiryu's.

Admittedly, I also like a number of kaiju because of their power. But I also like a good number of weak kaiju too.

That's your choice, nothing wrong with it.

[Primevalgodzilla V2]

FM-wise, Heisei Mechagodzilla's probably the most powerful but I like him least. Not a fan of the design, he's an uninteresting concept (wow, another weapon for G-Force to attack Godzilla with, haven't seen that before), and he's executed poorly.

I like Heisei MG alot. He has an awesome design (for some reason, in all my Godzilla fiction, when I include MG, the first design that comes to mind is Heisei) His arsenal is interesting enough, and he is the blueprint for the Anti-Godzilla mech idea that was fairly successful, seeign that all later mechs were based on the blueprint set by Heisei MG (made by some anti-G team to kill Godzilla). I also like his design. Its not evil (Showa MG) or good-guysih (Kiryu), since it is initially amde unclear whether MG or Godzilla's the good guy. He also looks the most powerful of all the MGs, and he's the most minimalist, whci suits the fact that he's supposed to be a super-advanced mech.

Kiryu has a fantastic design, but his arsenal never interested me tha much, and he simply didn't really click with me. Maybe if I watched his movie again I would give him a second chance

[Breaking Zero]

Kiryu was awesome.
I loved his design,origin and weaponry.

[Dragoon]

Personally I like Kiryu. Its a nice design and an interesting concept (Original Godzilla's corpse being used to fight new Godzilla) though it had some problems with its execution. Still, it was good, and it was respectful to the name MechaGodzilla, heh. At least it isn't called MechaGINO.

[HedorahLives]

Question: Anyone else think they could've subbed Jet Jaguar into the story as Kiryu's replacement and, barring the "genetic memory" stuff, we'd get basically the same thing? I mean, obviously Toho would never have considered that since Mechagodzilla=$$$ and Jet Jaguar is....Jet Jeguar....but Kiryu's portrayal as the essentially wholesome though emotionally erratic mecha with "feelings" repeated me of the Jack Nicholson-esque grinner from the Showa days.

[KiryuFreak]

Question: Anyone else think they could've subbed Jet Jaguar into the story as Kiryu's replacement and, barring the "genetic memory" stuff, we'd get basically the same thing? I mean, obviously Toho would never have considered that since Mechagodzilla=$$$ and Jet Jaguar is....Jet Jeguar....but Kiryu's portrayal as the essentially wholesome though emotionally erratic mecha with "feelings" repeated me of the Jack Nicholson-esque grinner from the Showa days.

No, I didn't if they stuck the 54 Godzilla bones into JJ I would laugh. They'd have to cut off the tail and part of the head, or else give JJ a tail and another head which would result it to look a little bit like a Mechagodzilla with orange and blue. Not to mention the toes would get cut off too. A new Mechagodzilla would be much easier, he could still keep the head, toes, and tail.

[Godzilla 1995]

Use this thread to discuss the Millennium Mechagodzilla, Kiryu.

Personally: I was watching Godzilla Against MechaGodzilla the other day, when a thought occurred to me: Kiryu is such an interesting monster, and so many plots could be explored off of him, why couldn't they have made him into his own movie series? Have the same origins, but no Godzilla, and have him fight other monsters.


Thoughts?

[Legionmaster]

Isn't that what the two films are? Kiryu movies with a little Godzilla thrown in.

[godzilla1996]

Isn't that what the two films are? Kiryu movies with a little Godzilla thrown in.

lol, It kinda seems that way

[HayesAJones]

A Mechagodzilla film without Godzilla? That actually sounds pretty interesting.

[Godzilla 1995]

A Mechagodzilla film within Godzilla?

Basically. Kiryu was given so much personality with his first film that it seemed rather a pity that they only had him for two films. It would've been cool to see him fight, per say, Gaira or a space monster in defense of Japan.

[Showa Gyaos]

For whatever reason, I think this would be an interesting concept.

[Tyler]

Godzilla really did feel like a plot device in those movies, although you can say he was attracted by the bones (which I think is even stated). But still, Godzilla should never be pushed aside like that.