Godzilla: The Look/Appearance Speculation

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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby bearijuana » Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:40 pm

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It's not projecting to see the fatherly personality of MusukoGoji


No, even that is largely interpretive.

Godzilla displays paternal instincts to a degree, but he seems to be a lousy father.
He saves Minya twice sure enough, but in all other duties he's lax and lazy. Making him something of a Male African lion, with no females. Even then, he is generically protective. Even neglecting feeding Minya, to the degree a newborn must do it himself. This doesn't present Goji or Minya as very personified, but inversely makes them more animalistic, (Though admittedly, Minya has more personality than his father, in that it's a goofy little plaything) Godzilla acts like an animal protecting it's young, rather than any significant source of fatherly guidance. In fact, to the contrary rather than fatherly the movies climax makes him seem kinda neglectful. Minya is only captured by Kumonga as Godzilla was sleepy. Nothing says fatherly love, like letting your kid run around without supervision. (Also he knew one of the Kamacurus Mantises was still on the island somewhere, so even understanable ignorance of Kumonga can't get Goji out of this one. Unless being stupid is also part of his personality) Right down to teaching Minya how to do one thing, defend himself. Since, Godzilla doesn't actually seem to eat in the Showa series let's think of this as a stand in for hunting. Though while on that note, hell Minya even has to be fed by, either himself or the native chick, whom I forget the name of. It's not very fatherly of not to feed his kid. It's just animal behavior, and just like watching lions on the Animal Planet we personify them to be more like us.

I could write a rebuttal for KinGoji too, as he is also largely interpretive, but I'm honestly quite lazy and burn out from term papers

You are now projecting a personality on him yourself. Maybe doing what he is doing is being a good father in the godzilla world. Maybe he feeds Minya all the time, but it's never shown on screen because they decided to pick his most conflictual days as a parent to be depicted. It would have been an even crappier movie had it had gone this way, normal day for Godzy + feeds Minya+ no other monsters are there to harm him =day in the life Godzilla movie which equals crap. Maybe Godzillas let their babies learn to hunt on their own at an early age, and Minya just sucks at it because let's face it he got the poop in the gene pool. Minya is one big ol' baby cluster skreeonk of shitty genes. Uh-oh now I'm projecting too. Anyway I'm actually starting to see your side that we project personality on Godzilla. But I think there's a middle ground, there are plenty of times where he has a clear personality and yet a few others that I have to agree can be a bit undefineable.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:11 pm

No that was a lizard, Godzilla is a dinosaur.

They're two very different type of animal, that happen to both belong to the greater reptile family.
I honestly don't know how you could describe him as anything MORE than that.
Same way Gamera is a turtle, that flies and spits fire.

Or are you gonna hit me with that "He has a personality!" crap.[/quote]

I find that Zilla is more like a dinosaur than a lizard due its mutation. It shares the same characteristics of the dinosaurs from Jurassic Park. It walks on two digitigrade legs with its back mostly horizontal like a predatory theropod dinosaur, and would have three toes on each foot like one if not for the hanging dewclaw on the outside of the feet as opposed to the inside which was to suggest its origin as a lizard. If you use Crash Mcreery's illustration of Godzilla then in a sense neither monster is really a dinosaur but are kind of chimeras built around dinosaur characteristics in popular culture at the time. By the way, I think Crash's illo of Godzilla does a good job of making Godzilla look like a Ray Harryhausen type dinosaur. I haven't seen one like that in the movies of late and it would be a nice change of pace.

Other than that, I think using Stan Winston's version would be a nice tribute to the late great creature designer and show the world that an American film company can do for Godzilla what Weta did for King Kong, minus the small stature and messed up jaw of course.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby Ethan » Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:19 pm

I've talked with many non-fan viewers, and we have all concluded Godzilla is some sort of anthropomorphic crocodile. It would make sense then, to go with the "acuatic reptile gone terrestrial" route, rather than a giant theropod dinosaur. That famous model used in Godzilla was coincidentally dubbed the Alligator Godzilla:
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:44 pm

Wow. That is a cool model. The legs are short enough to make it seem inhuman and at the same time what you would get if an aligator's hind limbs were big enough to support it standing upright.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby shinmattiathekaiju » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:38 pm

Ethan wrote:I've talked with many non-fan viewers, and we have all concluded Godzilla is some sort of anthropomorphic crocodile. It would make sense then, to go with the "acuatic reptile gone terrestrial" route, rather than a giant theropod dinosaur. That famous model used in Godzilla was coincidentally dubbed the Alligator Godzilla:
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:13 am

Also kind of reminds me of the T-Rex with the bugged out eyes in "Caveman", the one that gets clubbed in the nuts(?) by the blind caveman.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby Petezilla » Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:20 am

CatfaceFourtoes wrote:Also kind of reminds me of the T-Rex with the bugged out eyes in "Caveman", the one that gets clubbed in the nuts(?) by the blind caveman.

He got clubbed in the knee, but still, it's one of the best movie out there - if you're OK with Caveman-style humor! ;)
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:03 pm

The idea that a simple back cracking is what made man walk fully upright was hilarious! Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby Megaton17 » Thu May 24, 2012 7:43 am

May have posted this somewhere before, but what do you guys think?:

http://almightyrayzilla.deviantart.com/ ... -204062849
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby Viva la revolucion! » Thu May 24, 2012 9:10 am

I think Godzilla should look really scary and menacing, perhaps it could be made to look for adults.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby xenotactics » Thu May 24, 2012 11:01 am

Ethan wrote:I've talked with many non-fan viewers, and we have all concluded Godzilla is some sort of anthropomorphic crocodile. It would make sense then, to go with the "acuatic reptile gone terrestrial" route, rather than a giant theropod dinosaur. That famous model used in Godzilla was coincidentally dubbed the Alligator Godzilla:
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Godzilla's details definitely appear more crocodilian or crurotasarian despite his overall form being more like a semi-humanoid carnosaur. Interestingly, there may have been some bipedal crurotars.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby Rody » Thu May 24, 2012 11:33 am

Megaton17 wrote:May have posted this somewhere before, but what do you guys think?:

http://almightyrayzilla.deviantart.com/ ... -204062849

It looks a little too - heroic?
I'm not sure; something about it doesn't sit right with me.
It's good artwork though.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby Godzilla 2000 » Fri May 25, 2012 2:33 pm

Megaton17 wrote:May have posted this somewhere before, but what do you guys think?:

http://almightyrayzilla.deviantart.com/ ... -204062849


Ugh.

I'm seriously not a fan of these "zomg extreme spikes everywhere" redesigns.

That chin is just wrong.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby HayesAJones » Fri May 25, 2012 2:43 pm

Ya' know, I rather like that design. The extra spikes don't both me, and I like the balance between character and bestial traits.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby Megaton17 » Sat May 26, 2012 3:31 am

Also, here is a design by Matt Frank (helped him with a project centered on what we want to see in the LP film):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44188739@N ... hotostream

The monster he is fighting is called Kisakora (name based on the Japanese word "kisaki", which means empress). Based off the "Queen Bitch" from the GINO 2 story, it is created when an anti-Godzilla serum goes wrong (mixing G-cells with insect venom).
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby UltramanGoji » Sat May 26, 2012 3:56 am

^ The back fins are a tad too large.

Other than that, I like it.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby xenotactics » Sat May 26, 2012 4:35 am

^ I like that one a lot too. If Matt toned down the segmentation on Godzilla's body so that it wasn't as clearly delineated, I think that would be a great design.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby Legion1979 » Sat May 26, 2012 7:37 am

No thank you. Aside from the exaggerated back fins, that looks way too much like GINO for my liking. Just something about it turns me off.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby SuperSaiyan4Godzilla » Sat May 26, 2012 2:29 pm

Legion1979 wrote:No thank you. Aside from the exaggerated back fins, that looks way too much like GINO for my liking. Just something about it turns me off.


The exaggerated fins work in a different medium, like comics.

In film, unless done subdued enough with CGI, it won't work.
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Re: Godzilla: The Look

Postby Megaton17 » Sat May 26, 2012 4:13 pm

Here's an earlier, slightly less Zilla-esque version of Matt's Godzilla and an earlier version of the monster we planned for him to fight:

http://hellbender93.deviantart.com/art/ ... -304556937

Sorry about the bad quality, this was a very rough, old picture.

Personally, I'd like to see something like this in the film, minus the scars, with better proportions and with a different head:

http://rendragonclaw.deviantart.com/art ... -112509579
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