Christopher Nolan

[Proofpoochie]

As for the Michael Bay/Christopher Nolan comparison, I really don't think that's fair. Bay is essentially a fourth grader who miraculously was given the rights to make big budget Hollywood blockbusters. His films are childish at best. Nolan, on the other hand, puts his entire being into his work, to make something greater than he could possibly imagine. Nolan's films are timeless and all well-made. Bay will be forgotten soon enough.

I can agree with you on Bay being a hack. But, I just can't really see Nolan's films being timeless classics. Maybe Memento, but not the Batman films or Inception.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

GxG makes all those nice folks at ILM very sad.

I'm not knocking Bay's effects. The effects in his films are just fine. But nice effects alone do not make a good movie. Story and characters, IMO, are infinitely more important than the effects of a film.

But, I just can't really see Nolan's films being timeless classics. Maybe Memento, but not the Batman films or Inception.

I say that Nolan's Batman films have aged better than Tim Burton's films have. Inception's engaging, original, and interesting story, along with Dicaprio's fantastic performance make the film enjoyable to watch upon multiple viewings. On top of that, all of Nolan's films have themes that are ever present within human behavior. No matter how old the films get, the themes of the film will always work. That, to me, makes his films timeless.

[Proofpoochie]

I'm not a huge fan of Nolan's Batman films but, they are better than Burton's films and will definitely age better.

I find Memento to be Nolan's best work, personally.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

I'm not a huge fan of Nolan's Batman films but, they are better than Burton's films and will definitely age better.

I find Memento to be Nolan's best work, personally.

I agree that Memento is Nolan's best film, as well as the best thriller in decades. Though as I've said, I think all of Nolan's films (that I've seen) are great. It's just that Memento is the best of them.

[wataru]

I'm not a huge fan of Nolan's Batman films but, they are better than Burton's films and will definitely age better.

I find Memento to be Nolan's best work, personally.

Im sorry, no. BB and TDK are inferior to Burton's work.

Burton's Batman revamped the entire comic book.
Burton's movies balanced every aspect of the movie.

Nolan's havent influenced the comic and his movies are generally a mess. TDK more then BB.

[Gojira21]

Nolan is a great director, no doubt about it. He knows how to craft suspenseful movies with just right amount of character, action, story and orginality to an extent. I loved what he did Batman, and will be sad to see it end...but i am looking forward to seeing The Dark Knight Rises going to be great!

[GotengoXGodzilla]

I'm not a huge fan of Nolan's Batman films but, they are better than Burton's films and will definitely age better.

I find Memento to be Nolan's best work, personally.

Im sorry, no. BB and TDK are inferior to Burton's work.

Burton's Batman revamped the entire comic book.
Burton's movies balanced every aspect of the movie.

Nolan's havent influenced the comic and his movies are generally a mess. TDK more then BB.

Who cares if Burton's films revamped the comic book and Nolan's didn't? I certainly don't. I care about the film telling an interesting story with equally interesting characters in the films own unique way. And Nolan's Batman films do that much better than Burton's films do.

Not to mention, Batman and Batman Returns already start to feel old and out of date, especially Batman Returns, which doesn't even feel like a good film anymore. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight still feel brand new, and it doesn't seem like that's going to change any time soon.

[Proofpoochie]

I'm not a huge fan of Nolan's Batman films but, they are better than Burton's films and will definitely age better.

I find Memento to be Nolan's best work, personally.

Im sorry, no. BB and TDK are inferior to Burton's work.

Burton's Batman revamped the entire comic book.
Burton's movies balanced every aspect of the movie.

Nolan's havent influenced the comic and his movies are generally a mess. TDK more then BB.

I'd rather watch Nolan's films than Burton's films. They've aged horribly.

[Legionmaster]

Y'all are just jealous that Nolan isn't man enough to put rocket-launching penguins in his films.

[wataru]

Who cares if Burton's films revamped the comic book and Nolan's didn't? I certainly don't. I care about the film telling an interesting story with equally interesting characters in the films own unique way. And Nolan's Batman films do that much better than Burton's films do.

LOLWUT?! Man the wrong-ness of your statement has transversed time and space...

Not to mention, Batman and Batman Returns already start to feel old and out of date, especially Batman Returns, which doesn't even feel like a good film anymore. Batman Begins and The Dark Knight still feel brand new, and it doesn't seem like that's going to change any time soon.

With all your hub-bub and flap-trap about Wizard of Oz and Gone With the Wind and Stagecoach, youre going to call movies WHICH SHAPED THE ENTIRE COMIC BOOK WHICH INSPIRED MORE BATMAN FILMS TO BE MADE old and out of date?

Burton's Batman basically revamped the comic book, increasing sales to the point of spinning off more books, cartoons and video games. This led to Batman Returns and then two shittier Batman films. All this time, BECAUSE OF BURTON'S FILMS, Batman has been the most iconic DC character for 20 years.

If Burton's films hadnt done this, Nolan's Batman probably wouldve never been made.

And Nolan's work doesnt even effect DC's Batman comics NOW - theyre influenced more by the stoywriting of Jim lee and Grant Morrison. Neither of which based ANYTHING on Nolan's Batman movies.

[Hellspawn28]

Not to mention, Batman and Batman Returns already start to feel old and out of date

I don't think that can be a bad thing. I always like the Burton films better because I like the atmosphere that those movies had. Not to mention I always found Michael Keaton better as Batman and Danny Elfman's music score is much better. I was never a fan of Nolan's take of the character while Burton's films feel like a comic book movie.

[wataru]

Batman and Batman Returns feel old... it's a dark, gritty, gothic, crime story. WTF?

[G1 Startruck Jonez]

I dont think Burton's films shaped the comic line at all. The Dark Knight Returns shaped the comic line as far as bringing a darker tone to Batman. All the gothic structuring of Gotham City was in the books for a while before Burton turned it into a visual reality, (and a beautiful one at that). But Burton nailed the tone, most definitely as far as "comic Gotham" goes. Nolan's real world turn doesnt bother me either, but I do wish there were some more gothic structures to Gotham City than what we get.

[Hellspawn28]

I thought the Gothic art design that Burton used in Returns works since it matches the tone for both the story and characters. I liked Batman Begins the first few times but I found myself falling asleep when I try to re-watch it again on FX in 2008 when The Dark Knight was coming out. I always feel like Nolan's Batman movies are great the first or second viewing but I can't see myself re-watching them over again.

[Gorosaurus Rex]

I have enjoyed most of his movies, but dear lord does this guy have one of the most obnoxious fanbases of all time. It's like every piece he makes is like the second coming or something. The fact that both Inception and The Dark Knight are ranked in the top 25 films ever on IMDB is ridiculous, well to be fair that list itself sucks.

[Proofpoochie]

I have enjoyed most of his movies, but dear lord does this guy have one of the most obnoxious fanbases of all time. It's like every piece he makes is like the second coming or something. The fact that both Inception and The Dark Knight are ranked in the top 25 films ever on IMDB is ridiculous, well to be fair that list itself sucks.

I agree with every word of this. The Dark Knight was like the 2nd highest rated film on that list for some time after it came out in theaters. It was ridiculous.

[wataru]

I dont think Burton's films shaped the comic line at all. The Dark Knight Returns shaped the comic line as far as bringing a darker tone to Batman. All the gothic structuring of Gotham City was in the books for a while before Burton turned it into a visual reality, (and a beautiful one at that). But Burton nailed the tone, most definitely as far as "comic Gotham" goes. Nolan's real world turn doesnt bother me either, but I do wish there were some more gothic structures to Gotham City than what we get.

G1, the last Batman storyline before Batman (1989) was Knightfall/Knightquest/Seach. When the comic returned to status quo, Batman was molded AFTER Burton's movies. This is a FACT.

The last 6 years of Batman have been molded by Jim Lee and Grant Morrison. Neither have taken anything from Nolan. Actually theyve ignored almost all of it.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

LOLWUT?! Man the wrong-ness of your statement has transversed time and space...

I don't see anything wrong with that statement I made. It's simply just my opinion. I'm sure that my opinion is the opposite of yours, but that doesn't make it wrong.

With all your hub-bub and flap-trap about Wizard of Oz and Gone With the Wind and Stagecoach, youre going to call movies WHICH SHAPED THE ENTIRE COMIC BOOK WHICH INSPIRED MORE BATMAN FILMS TO BE MADE old and out of date?

Yup.

Again, I don't care wether or not Tim Burton's Batman shaped the comic book, because I don't read that comic book. All I care about is wether the film tells an interesting story. And while it does, the story isn't as interesting as Nolan's Batman films.

Burton's Batman basically revamped the comic book, increasing sales to the point of spinning off more books, cartoons and video games. This led to Batman Returns and then two shittier Batman films. All this time, BECAUSE OF BURTON'S FILMS, Batman has been the most iconic DC character for 20 years.

....Okay, so what? That really doesn't make Burton's Batman films better than Nolan's. It just means that, at the time, Burton's Batman films led to a lot of different shit. That doesn't make it better.

If Burton's films hadnt done this, Nolan's Batman probably wouldve never been made.

You and I are now talking about two totally different things. You're talking about which film was more inspirational. I'm talking about which film was better. Just because Burton's Batman films were more inspirational, does not automatically make them better films.

I still stand by what I said: Nolan's Batman films are better than Burton's, and Burton's films are beginning to feel old and dated.

I don't think that can be a bad thing. I always like the Burton films better because I like the atmosphere that those movies had. Not to mention I always found Michael Keaton better as Batman and Danny Elfman's music score is much better. I was never a fan of Nolan's take of the character while Burton's films feel like a comic book movie.

Keaton is a better Batman, but that is the only thing, IMO, that the Burton's Batman films have over Nolan's Batman films. Everything else, Nolan does better. Better stories, better supporting casts, better villains, better acting, even better atmosphere. Burton's atmosphere is very comic bookish, which isn't a bad thing, but Nolan's atmosphere is dark, yet realistic. To me, having a more realistic atmosphere will always triumph over a comic bookish atmosphere, even in a movie based off a comic book.

[wataru]

Im done arguing with you GxG. There's no point. You rehash the same tired nonsense. The only reason you like Nolan's films better is probably because you've probably never seen Burton's.

Youre just wrong.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Im done arguing with you GxG. There's no point. You rehash the same tired nonsense. The only reason you like Nolan's films better is probably because you've probably never seen Burton's.

Youre just wrong.

Oh for the love of...

Wataru, would you just shut up and think for a moment, and realize that not everyone sees these kinds of things the same way that you do? Yes, I think that Nolan's films are better than Burton's (which I clearly explained). Yes, I think Burton's Batman films are dated. Yes, I don't give a damn about how Burton's Batman films influenced the comic book and what not, because that doesn't make the film any better on an entertainment level. Yes, I've seen both Batman and Batman Returns. No, I'm not wrong.

It's called a differing opinion, wataru. Maybe you've heard of it. You know what I do with someone who has the opposite opinion of me? I put myself in their shoes and try to understand where they came from, and the conclusions that they came to. That way, I can share more with that person, and we can understand each other a little bit better. What I don't do, is flat out say that the person is wrong, because that doesn't advance anything, and it only makes me look like a jerk. And I know that you may find this hard to believe, but I don't want to be seen as a jerk.

So stop acting like your opinion is all high and mighty, and that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong, because all that is doing is making what you say petty and childish.