KKT: Zillaowner vs Venom2009

[Draglord]

Round 2 of the KKT: Zillaowner vs Venom2009

Zillaowner's team:
Death Stinger (MVP)
Super Mechagodzilla
Zoalord Guyot
ZX Chimera
Spacegodzilla
Heisei Gamera

vs

Venom2009's team:
Meltdown Godzilla
EVA Unit02 (Beast Mode)
Anime Zeiram (MVP)
Geno Breaker
Ultraman Max
Armor Mothra

Match Condition 6: Nothing happens-Self Explanatory.
Arena: The Forest from Transformers- Revenge of the Fallen
Arena Size: Medium
Arena Trap: One Shall Fall!
Effect: The Decepticons finally get their revenge on the Autobots by ambushing them. All Autobots are eliminated from the fight.

Rules:
-All regen exceeding Heisei Godzillav2's is turned off (Assuming either team uses its death trap card)
-No AT Fields
-Meltdown Godzilla cannot meltdown
-Zeiram cannot spawn Zeiramoids, assimilate monsters, and infect computers
-Armor Mothra cannot use Transcending Fate
-Ultraman Max cannot use Max Galaxy, Max Army, Energy Tornado, Super Speed, and Size Change
-Max and EVA Unit02's time limits are turned off
-ZX Chimera can only use its Needle Missiles and Razor claws
-Guyot cannot use his Black Hole or Gravity Explosion


Venom, Zilla, please post if you wish to use your cards.

[Zillaowner]

Won't use mine

[Venom 2009]

I won't be using a card.

[Zillaowner]

I think my team has this, its gonna be a long battle, but it'll ultimately come down between DeathStinger and Genobreaker with the scorpion coming out on top. If both of them uses their SCPC then it'll be just both of them left to do battle. And we all know that even though the SCPC didn't hit GenoBreaker, it did a lot of damage to its systems.

[Inferno Rodan]

but it'll ultimately come down between DeathStinger and Genobreaker with the scorpion coming out on top.

The Geno Breaker would assrape the Death Stinger when scaled.

[Zillaowner]

but it'll ultimately come down between DeathStinger and Genobreaker with the scorpion coming out on top.

The Geno Breaker would assrape the Death Stinger when scaled.

Not likely, the deathstinger has better durability feats than genobreaker

[Inferno Rodan]

Not likely, the deathstinger has better durability feats than genobreaker

Only because the Death Stinger is like 5x bigger. Hence my saying "when scaled."

[Zillaowner]

Not likely, the deathstinger has better durability feats than genobreaker

Only because the Death Stinger is like 5x bigger. Hence my saying "when scaled."

It being 5x bigger has nothing to do with it surviving orbit and swiming in magma. If GenoBreaker was that size it wouldn't survive the samethings as DeathStinger. In the battle story, Deathstinger can defeat the genobreaker also and that one was smaller than the anime.

[Inferno Rodan]

It being 5x bigger has nothing to do with it surviving orbit and swiming in magma.

Uhh, yes it does. Larger = thicker armor. If the Death Stinger was shrunk down to the size of the Geno Breaker, the thickness of its armor and thus its durability would decrease accordingly. That's just common sense.

In the battle story, Deathstinger can defeat the genobreaker also and that one was smaller than the anime.

Don't even try to bring the Battle Story versions into this. COMPLETELY different. In the Battle Story, Gojulas Gigas wiped Death Stingers out of existence.

[Zillaowner]

It being 5x bigger has nothing to do with it surviving orbit and swiming in magma.

Uhh, yes it does. Larger = thicker armor. If the Death Stinger was shrunk down to the size of the Geno Breaker, the thickness of its armor and thus its durability would decrease accordingly. That's just common sense.

No it wouldn't, it would still survive earth's orbit and be swimming in magma the same way. Just because a zoid is bigger doesn't mean its armor is super duper strong. That's like saying a human durability increases if he/she is bigger.

[Stuckey]

That's like saying a human durability increases if he/she is bigger.

It would though. You'd have thicker skin if you were to scale a human up to monster size. So a bullet that can easily kill a human may not even make it past all of the layers of skin in a giant-sized human.
Anyways, I'm leaning towards Venom's team. If Godzilla is able to get to his uberdeathray temperature then he'd be able to easily kill SMG, Spacegodzilla, Gamera, and possibly even Guyot(though that's probably a stretch). Ultraman Max should be able to keep ZX Chimera occupied long enough until backup arrives. The main problems would be Death Stinger and Guyot. The SCPC would be able to take out any unlucky member of Venom's team. Guyot's Gravity Bullets could probably tear through several of them if given the chance as well.
Venom's team for the win.

[Zillaowner]

That's like saying a human durability increases if he/she is bigger.

It would though. You'd have thicker skin if you were to scale a human up to monster size. So a bullet that can easily kill a human may not even make it past all of the layers of skin in a giant-sized human.
Anyways, I'm leaning towards Venom's team. If Godzilla is able to get to his uberdeathray temperature then he'd be able to easily kill SMG, Spacegodzilla, Gamera, and possibly even Guyot(though that's probably a stretch). Ultraman Max should be able to keep ZX Chimera occupied long enough until backup arrives. The main problems would be Death Stinger and Guyot. The SCPC would be able to take out any unlucky member of Venom's team. Guyot's Gravity Bullets could probably tear through several of them if given the chance as well.
Venom's team for the win.

Seeing that it takes a while for Godzilla to reach his uber temperature, it will help my team take him out quickly before he does damage.

[Primevalgodzilla V2]

Anyway, its not like the moment the SCPCs are fired, everyone dies. I'm pretty sure a fair number of the fighters here can dodge or survive a hit, notably Guyot, Eva Unit 02, and Armor Mothra. There's a reason the SCPCs are allowed.

[Zillaowner]

The biggest threat on Venom would be Meltdown and Genobreaker, but with the temperature taking a while to reach in order for Godzilla to get uber strong. I'm fairly certain that Deathstinger, SpaceGodzilla or SuperMechagodzilla can take him before that happens. SpaceGodzilla and SuperMechagodzilla can double team Godzilla to make sure he gets out of the way. Guyot can deal with GenoBreaker for Deathstinger in making sure that it won't be no threat to him. Deathstinger can dig underground to a safe location and fire that SCPC to cripple Venom's team. Gamera and ZX Chimera can hold off the remainder of the team till back up arrives. Knowing the Deathstinger, I see it burrowing underground to escape Genobreaker CPC in case it decides to fire it at the metal scorpion. Lets not forget that it only has three minutes before it begins to lose power. Its gonna be a tough fight regardless, but I once again certain that my team can come out on team with this.

[Inferno Rodan]

Lets not forget that it only has three minutes before it begins to lose power.

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The time limit is only for how long Shadow can stay fused to it.

[Zillaowner]

Lets not forget that it only has three minutes before it begins to lose power.

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The time limit is only for how long Shadow can stay fused to it.

So Shadow is not included? Thought he was, but I still stand point my argument in Deathstinger still beating the GenoBreaker in case Raven wants to waste him first. Not only can Deathstinger burrow underground to escape the charged particle gun, he can either grab the Genobreaker from underground and drag him or fire its own SCPC from a distance to cripple his teammates. Not only that Genobreaker doesn't have Deathstinger durability. Example the HammerKaiser who transported the Genobreaker was much larger than it was and it didn't survive crash landing from orbit. The Gustav armor was almost comparable to the Clone Deathsaurer and it was smaller than it.

[Primevalgodzilla V2]

I somehow seriouly doubt the Deathstinger can ninja his way out of a CPC, and even taking that into account,the Genosaurer can cripple the rest of Stinger's team even better than vice-versa, since the likes of Zeriam, Eva Beast mode and MAX are very agile, while SG, SMG, Gamera and ZX-Chimera are sitting ducks

[Zillaowner]

Pretty sure he can, I doubt their gonna stand there and let the charged particle beam hit them. They'll attack straight away when they notice he's charging his gun. Their energy shield will enable them to live one or two particle beams. If worst come to worst then SpaceGodzilla can emp him.

[Primevalgodzilla V2]

You forget that the reverse is also possible. Who's to say that everyne won't attack Deathstinger while he's charging his own CPC? Again, Venom's team is simply much more mobile, so much more suited to dealing with hyper-powerful attacks that require charge time. Also the Geno Breaker has a barrier, so he can sit and charge while they try to stop him. Assuming they aren't occupied or killed by the 5 other members of Venom's team. Its not Genobreaker vs everyone in the opposition while the rest of them sit there to get crippled by a CPC.

Also, I don't think the Deathstinger can ninja his way out a beam flying towards his face. And even if he does burrow, the beam has more than enough to power to blow him out of the ground.

EMP doesn't work on zoids based on IR, and if it does it will take out Deathstinger as well.

[Zillaowner]

Unlike the GenoBreaker that can't have his shield up when charging, the Deathstinger can as it was shown with the Deathsaurer since it acquired the Deathstinger shield. The Genobreaker wasn't shown to put up a shield while charging. In fact it can only do one at a time.