Theories on the potential Heisei Kong

[heiseiGfan]

So therefore American Godzilla is also the real Godzilla. No longer shall he be called GINO.

So wanted to say something like that but I thought that quite a few would disagree.

[Zentenk]

Also, forgive me for making it so heated. I really enjoy the movie and the ending is very open for interpretation. King Kong swimming away can be taken as retreat in my eyes also.

I'm sure you can understand the point about people bashing the American Godzilla, but then they accept Toho's King Kong as if it were the real King Kong. This was my original argument that the real King Kong could not compare to Godzilla. That is why I would not like a Heisei King Kong, because it would be another fake. Would any of you accept another American Godzilla?

[PopInPicsPresents]

So therefore American Godzilla is also the real Godzilla. No longer shall he be called GINO.

Yeah, it is. Because it's a different incarnation of the character doesn't make him a different monster.

[Sydney Aradi]

@Zenny As long as the 2nd American Godzilla is somewhat faithful to the core esscence of the original Japanese Godzilla and not be some mutated iguana then sure

[Rody]

So therefore American Godzilla is also the real Godzilla. No longer shall he be called GINO.

Yeah, it is. Because it's a different incarnation of the character doesn't make him a different monster.

Of course, there's a lot more that's wrong with GINO than just how big he is.

[Legion1979]

One of the funnier things about this fandom are angry younger fans who just can't deal with the fact that Kong could actually be a match for their hero. It's hilarious.

[DoctorMafune]

Given that battles between monsters don't have rules about what constitutes a victory and what doesn't, there will always be arguments like this.

I agree that at the end of KKvG, it wouldn't make any sense story-wise for anything to happen except for Kong to win. Godzilla was the villain, and this is hardly the kind of film where the 'bad guy' can be allowed to prevail.

But people offended by the idea that their preferred monster 'lost' can always point out, rightly, that unless Kong was killed underwater or drowned, he would have to surface, and he's swimming away, which leaves some doubt as to just what happened down there. Still, there's no sign of Godzilla surfacing or pursuing him, and (as far as we know), Godzilla doesn't come ashore again, either, until the typhoon in MvG decides that issue for him. It wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for Godzilla to let the damned ape get away unless he's in no shape to do anything about it.

In a boxing or MMA match, someone either wins on points or wins when the other guy is either down and can't get back up, or can't defend himself any longer. There's no equivalent set of rules here to define what constitutes a win. If Ghidorah or Gigan stops fighting and flies away, while the other monsters are still standing their ground, almost anyone would have to agree that the monster that left the battlefield lost. But in KKvG, there's no such clarity... so those of us who don't mind our favorite monster taking a pounding early in his career will never convince the other guys by appealing to the integrity of the story, Godzilla's uncharacteristic lack of follow-though, and Toho's own description of the ending. They're more than enough evidence for me, though.

[Giga Kaiju]

Alright, if you want proof here you go.

Kong was hitting Godzilla with something he was weak with.

Kong was the hero character in the film.

The staff were huge Kong fans.

If Godzilla won, they more than likely would've shown him winning.

In all official materials, it's stated Kong won.

Godzilla was unconscious and presumed dead in the original Mothra vs. Godzilla script.

Kong was more popular at the time than Godzilla was.

Kong was the underdog, you don't kill off the underdog.

Had Kong lost, Godzilla more than likely would've gone to the surface and straight to Japan.

This is enough reasons of why Kong deserved/Needed/ to win.

Also at first i didnt like the idea of Kong Beating Godzilla but the more i think about it. He was
supposed to win and the more "Famous" monster at the time so there you go.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

One of the funnier things about this fandom are angry younger fans who just can't deal with the fact that Kong could actually be a match for their hero. It's hilarious.

I want to write a cunning retort to this, but instead, I'll be immature and be a younger fan.

[Megalon-5]

This is enough reasons of why Kong deserved/Needed/ to win.

Also at first i didnt like the idea of Kong Beating Godzilla but the more i think about it. He was
supposed to win and the more "Famous" monster at the time so there you go.

I was lucky enough to be both a Kong and Godzilla fan as a kid so I didn't really care who won. I was just happy to see the movie after looking for it for years. But now, I do think they made the right choice for Kong winning. As much as I love Godzilla, having him win in the film just seems a bit off to me

[Giga Kaiju]

Yeah at the time of getting it and watching it on VHS for the first time with a couple of friends (Nobody watched it also)
around the part that Godzilla and Kong battle around the Pagoda (Dont remember how to spell it if wrong) the tape started
to screw up and just when both fall in to the water, "It shuts Down" we were all like "What Happens Next?!" "Damn It"
and staryed throwing popcorn at the Tv and such. But i had that blast that time and its probably one of the best
memories of watching this movie.

But yeah the point is that as long as you had fun while watching it then the rest isnt that a big deal.

[GodzillaDude]

Kong really did win in my eyes as well. I mean I still see it as more of a draw but Kong overall won because Godzilla retreated/fled. I also personally love Toho's version of Kong as well. But let's stop this debating before this thread has to be locked lol

[miguelnuva]

How come no one ever brought up King's electricity powers plus all the water around him poor Godzilla never stood a chance being weak to electricity once they hit the water.

[GodzillaDude]

One of the funnier things about this fandom are angry younger fans who just can't deal with the fact that Kong could actually be a match for their hero. It's hilarious.

I hope you weren't referring to me because I am only 15 after all but I am one of the most knowledgeable Godzilla fans I know and I at least still admit that Toho's Kong was a match for the Showa Godzilla.

[PopInPicsPresents]

One of the funnier things about this fandom are angry younger fans who just can't deal with the fact that Kong could actually be a match for their hero. It's hilarious.

I hope you weren't referring to me because I am only 15 after all but I am one of the most knowledgeable Godzilla fans I know and I at least still admit that Toho's Kong was a match for the Showa Godzilla.

He means the younger fanboys who can't handle Godzilla losing in the slightest.

[GodzillaDude]

One of the funnier things about this fandom are angry younger fans who just can't deal with the fact that Kong could actually be a match for their hero. It's hilarious.

I hope you weren't referring to me because I am only 15 after all but I am one of the most knowledgeable Godzilla fans I know and I at least still admit that Toho's Kong was a match for the Showa Godzilla.

He means the younger fanboys who can't handle Godzilla losing in the slightest.

Yeah I thought so I just wanted to be sure.

[Tyler]

Why does everything have to be about age around here. Maybe some people don't get it regardless of that.

[GodzillaDude]

Why does everything have to be about age around here. Maybe some people don't get it regardless of that.

A very true statement. The younger fans aren't necessarily always the ones who don't "get it". It simply varies from person to person regardless of age.

[Godz]

I always assumed Godzilla eventually caught up to Kong and killed him at sea....Godzilla not rising from the water really doesn't prove anything since he is amphibious. Also, though I am aware size and appearances change all the time in Toho films, the KKE Kong is (IMO) clearly a different animal, as he is on an entirely different island, smaller, etc.

On paper, Kong would have no chance against Godzilla...buuuuuuuuut its a movie, so if Toho makes him strong enough....he's strong enough. No real reason to debate that. And last I heard Toho's official answer is Kong won (though I've also heard it was officially a draw). That's fine too, doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the film in the least.

[heiseiGfan]

On paper, Kong would have no chance against Godzilla...buuuuuuuuut its a movie, so if Toho makes him strong enough....he's strong enough. No real reason to debate that. And last I heard Toho's official answer is Kong won (though I've also heard it was officially a draw). That's fine too, doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the film in the least.

Agreed