IDW's GODZILLA General Discussion

[ebirahsmeg1]

When it comes to a turd of a comic like KOM and knowing the new title is a sequel to it, there's not much to smile about...

They've already said a million times that this has no similarities to KOM except monsters have appeared.

So what? That doesn't matter, because irregardless of having no similarities or not, it is still connected to the same storyline, events, and time line of the awful KOM story arc. No matter how different it is, it will always be tied to KOM,and its god-awful origins will always be there consciously or subconsciously in the background (i.e 1. the terribly re-written origin for Godzilla, 2. KG has already appeared in his p*ssified GMK form and as a result, this most likely eliminates any chance we will see the true evil space demon KG in this series, and 3. even if they're never mentioned again, the likes of President Obama and Lady Gaga/Jersey Shore will always exist in this time line like a brown sh*t stain that won't go away I could go on and on...these are just but a few examples). Very unwise move on IDW's part as they should have just started fresh and cut all ties to KOM...instead, KOM will always be there like a cloud over the new title's head. To make matters even more problematic, we are now suppose to accept the premise that mythical kaiju beasts, which the armies/militaries of whole countries cannot stop, can now suddenly be subdued by mere bounty hunters.....sorry, but even for a Godzilla comic, that's *really* stretching it when it comes to suspending disbelief. We shall see though...

I can only hope that the new comic will be up to your standards, ebirahsmeg - I've read the first issue and I enjoyed it quite a bit. All I can encourage is for you to give it a chance.

Hey, as I've said Frank, I will give it a chance. But after KOM, please understand that I and many fans are not giving any more free passes and will not rush out to buy this title until it proves it's worth the investment. "Fool me once, shame on you, but fool me twice...", well, you know how that old saying goes. I love both your and Zornow's work on these covers....but the bottom line is that you two aren't working on what's between the covers, and that's where the main problems have been with the main series. What's funny is that some fans have remarked that my "standards are too high"...puhlease. At this point, I would be happy if the main series was *on par* with the old Dark Horse G series...I wouldn't exactly consider that "unrealistically high expectations."

IDW has done a great job with their mini-series (I have said all along that G: Legends or stories similar to G&G should be the main series instead of KOM and Godzilla), but unfortunately, they have almost always made wrong choices at every turn when it comes to their main series. IDW screwed up big time with KOM, and they deserve all the scrutiny they get from here on out until they prove otherwise (and I sincerely hope they prove me wrong...nothing would make me happier ).

[GreenAiden555]

So what? That doesn't matter, because irregardless of having no similarities or not, it is still connected to the same storyline, events, and time line of the awful KOM story arc. No matter how different it is, it will always be tied to KOM,and its god-awful origins will always be there consciously or subconsciously in the background (i.e 1. the terribly re-written origin for Godzilla, 2. KG has already appeared in his p*ssified GMK form and as a result, this most likely eliminates any chance we will see the true evil space demon KG in this series, and 3. even if they're never mentioned again, the likes of President Obama and Lady Gaga/Jersey Shore will always exist in this time line like a brown sh*t stain that won't go away I could go on and on...these are just but a few examples). Very unwise move on IDW's part as they should have just started fresh and cut all ties to KOM...instead, KOM will always be there like a cloud over the new title's head. To make matters even more problematic, we are now suppose to accept the premise that mythical kaiju beasts, which the armies/militaries of whole countries cannot stop, can now suddenly be subdued by mere bounty hunters.....sorry, but even for a Godzilla comic, that's *really* stretching it when it comes to suspending disbelief. We shall see though...

Good lord. You are off the deep end. I seriously don't know how to reply to this other than to say... I don't know what to say.
I can't make a comparison to anything at all.

Like, shit.

Actually bother to learn what will be carried over from KoM (hint: IT'S SKREEONK NOTHING!), then reformulate your speculative idea.

Hot damn.


Half century... Half.... The new mini, are preview up yet?

[Captain Aktion]

I, for one, want them to stay AS FAR away from the Dark Horse series as possible. That series had just as many flaws as KOM and got far goofier and campier than anything in KOM. Can't get down with a bounty hunter going after Godzilla but ALIEN bounty hunters...eh, okay?

EDIT: "To make matters even more problematic, we are now suppose to accept the premise that mythical kaiju beasts, which the armies/militaries of whole countries cannot stop, can now suddenly be subdued by mere bounty hunters.....sorry, but even for a Godzilla comic, that's *really* stretching it when it comes to suspending disbelief."

I dunno, how the hell does John McClane stop terrorists when nobody else can? How is Indiana Jones able to outsmart the entire Nazi army? And seriously, how the hell did King Kong climb all the way up the Empire State Building? Those're *really* stretching it when it comes to suspending disbelief...

[GreenAiden555]

It's never been stated the bounty hunters do shack jit to the monsters, anyway.

[Captain Aktion]

It's never been stated the bounty hunters do shack jit to the monsters, anyway.

Or familiarize yourself with the creator's previous work. Duane's got a hell of a track record and can spin some amazing plots.

[Tyler]

I, for one, want them to stay AS FAR away from the Dark Horse series as possible. That series had just as many flaws as KOM and got far goofier and campier than anything in KOM. Can't get down with a bounty hunter going after Godzilla but ALIEN bounty hunters...eh, okay?

Yeah really. I still like the Marvel comics a lot though.

[ebirahsmeg1]

Good lord. You are off the deep end.

*YAWN*....heard this same type of nonsense when I was highly critical of KOM when it first came out...gee, how did that turn out?

Let me get this straight...having reservations and concern about a series from the same company that brought us KOM is going off the "deep end" in your eyes (you know, the same guy who thinks Gigabrain's KG sucks because it has a little silver on it)? Sorry, but not all of us fans have the "everything Godzilla is good" tinted glasses on and will accept any pile of crap handed to us just because the name "Godzilla" is stamped on it. That's great you and others have already decided this will be a good comic without even reading it (Many made the same mistake prior to KOM's release...but hey, everything Godzilla is good, right? ). Others like myself, however, have very legitimate concerns about the direction of this new title and will take a wait and see approach....

Like, shit.

Actually bother to learn what will be carried over from KoM (hint: IT'S SKREEONK NOTHING!), then reformulate your speculative idea.



Hot damn.

Wow, very thoughtful, insightful post there...damn.....like shit man....haterz gonna hate...woah man. With insight like this, I bet you could give Eric Powell and Marsh a run for their money.

Or familiarize yourself with the creator's previous work. Duane's got a hell of a track record and can spin some amazing plots.

Heard the exact same thing in regards to Eric Powell and the Goon prior to KOM's release. Amazing how history repeats itself and the broken record just keeps playing, isn't it?

As I said, I might end up being proven wrong (and I hope I am...like everyone else, all I want a good G comic, and I think Bobby Curnow is sincere in trying to make things right), but I will not hesitate to speak my mind when I have concerns about this title, no matter how much it may ruffle some people's feathers on here (boo hoo)...

[Captain Aktion]

Sorry, but not all of us fans have the "everything Godzilla is good" tinted glasses on and will accept any pile of crap handed to us just because the name "Godzilla" is stamped on it.

*YAWN* Broken records, m'iright?

And I still like KOM, so quit speaking for "all the fans" when you write these diatribes. That's really, really misleading, annoying, and does nothing to back your argument. It just shows you're stuck on being "above all that", which, clearly, you aren't.

EDIT: Protip; calling something a "shit-stain" is, uh, flame-baiting...don't be shocked that some people take offense to that kind of BS hard-line attitude.

[GreenAiden555]

*YAWN*....heard this same type of nonsense when I was highly critical of KOM when it first came out...gee, how did that turn out?

Let me get this straight...having reservations and concern about a series from the same company that brought us KOM is going off the "deep end" in your eyes (you know, the same guy who thinks Gigabrain's KG sucks because it has a little silver on it)? Sorry, but not all of us fans have the "everything Godzilla is good" tinted glasses on and will accept any pile of crap handed to us just because the name "Godzilla" is stamped on it. That's great you and others have already decided this will be a good comic without even reading it (Many made the same mistake prior to KOM's release...but hey, everything Godzilla is good, right? ). Others like myself, however, have very legitimate concerns about the direction of this new title and will take a wait and see approach....

Quote me where I said the Gigabrain KG sucks. I dare you.

I never said this was going to be good. Again, quote me. You can't. I don't have any glasses on (shit, I do ;-;) in regards to the fandom and what we get. Everything Godzilla is not necessarily good.

You're condemning something you have ONLY seen the covers for and very BRIEF descriptions of some of the issues. Yes, you are going off the deep end.

Wow, very thoughtful, insightful post there...damn.....like shit man....haterz gonna hate...woah man. With insight like this, I bet you could give Eric Powell and Marsh a run for their money.

but I will not hesitate to speak my mind when I have concerns about this title, no matter how much it may ruffle some people's feathers on here (boo hoo)...

You're not doing for general concerns. If you were, you wouldn't swear as often as you do when criticizing something.

Unless you don't WANT to be taken seriously...

[ebirahsmeg1]

Capt Aktion, I think I am rather rational and reserved, whereas you (and a few others) often come off like an emo, over-emotional HS student and always makes things personal (and that there is the epitome of a broken record). You really need to stop getting so over-emotional and grow thicker skin when people don't hold the same view points as you. That is the last time I am addressing you in any topic and am adding you to ignore as your antics have grown tiresome (not taking your flamebait).

I hope you and others enjoy the new comic....I will take the wait and see approach before praising it...

[Captain Aktion]

^???

HAHAHAHAHAHa...Really? When did I get overly emotional OR personal in my last posts? YOU wrote the blocks of text describing your one-sided argument against a product that hasn't even been released, not me, my friend. I've hardly posted anything in the last couple of weeks; and when I do post a logical retort to your hateful diatribe I'M the one being antagonistic and emo??? Really?

Is this really happening?

What a foolish approach to a different opinion. Hide from it.

EDIT: Seriously, I keep reading that post and can't figure it out. I'm being trolled, flame-baited, and put on the ignore all at once...crazy...

[Jomei]

Let's talk about the comic, eh? Contain your nerdrage, gentlemen.

[Captain Aktion]

^I was talking about the comic, Jomei.

As a mod, I ask you; did I get personal or emotional in my responses to Ebirahs posts? And I ask this as it DOES pertain to discussing the comic; I don't want to be accused of imaginary slights if I ever defend the damned things.

[Jomei]

No, I don't see that you did, but I'm asking everyone to chill out and let this drop. I don't feel the need to warn anyone yet, but if it continues I will.

[Captain Aktion]

^Fair enough. For a minute, I thought I had gone crazy.

As far as bounty hunters being able to take down the kaiju, we don't even know if that's the case. Perhaps the major point of the stories will be them trying to figure out ways to take them down. I seriously don't think we're going to see them taking down Anguirus with uzis or catching Battra in a butterfly net; I daresay there might be a bit more to it than the 'high-concept" pitch line entails...

[KaijuX]

Okay, the WORST movie in the world comes out. Everyone hates it. However, that same movie comes out with a DIRECT SEQUEL that is considered the BEST THING OUT THERE. But you won't watch it because it falls in the same timeline as the worst movie.

C'mon Ebby, that's a narrow-minded way of looking at it. Now, look, I'm not going to say GODZILLA is going to be the ideal masterpiece that we all love, but if it's going to be better than KOM, just give it a read. Even if it is a bunch of bounty hunters... And odd stretch... Though I am open to new ideas. But I highly doubt they'll kill kaiju, unless there's a way to bring them back into the ongoing story (like Mothra spawning 5 million larva then dying).

[RedZillaKing]

I can honestly see em1's point. He is hesitant because he hated KOM so much. He was hoping that this would be a reboot (aka an entirely fresh start... no GMK Ghidorah, no nuke, no "you've got to be skreeonk' kidding me" and so on). I know a lot of G fans who just wish that the first series never happened. I could see how it's almost an insult to put this new series in the same continuity.

I can't enjoy Star Wars anymore because of the prequels. It's sad (and a bit strange) but if Lucasfilm announced a third trilogy I wouldn't even give it a shot. Even if the bastard promised the world. Granted these guys are definitely a lot more willing to listen to the fans than that skreeonk Lucas. But em1 said he'd give it a shot.

[Terrier]

We already have an example with "Godzilla: The Series" taking place in the same universe of "GINO".

I'm curious about how will this comic fill the holes left by KOM.

[SoleMan]

I, for one, want them to stay AS FAR away from the Dark Horse series as possible. That series had just as many flaws as KOM and got far goofier and campier than anything in KOM. Can't get down with a bounty hunter going after Godzilla but ALIEN bounty hunters...eh, okay?

Dude, the problem isn't preposterous storylines or inconcievable plot points, but that THERE IS NO PLOT. It took me 5 seconds to peruse through each issue, and they cost 3.50 a pop! DC's flagships are 2.99, and have twice the material in them! Why waste money on something worse than a fanzine, when I can just log on here and read Members' stories for free?

If they would, I don't know, develop the Fragging stories just a bit, it might have been cool, but NOOOOOOOOOO! They put maybe three big panels on each page, and (In the good issues) had one monster throw one punch or fire half a beam.

But the real reason I'm ranting and raving, the thing that really Pisses me off, is that I see how they thought of it. I think it went something like this:

Editor:"This story seems incomplete."
Writer:"It's just Godzilla, who cares? The stupid fans will buy it regardless."
Editor:"...You're right."

But the worst thing is, the absolute abysmall facet of the whole dirty business is, that they were right. I bought almost every issue of KOM, (The only ones I didn't I couldn't find) and was rewarded with empty pockets that could have been much better spent. I could've had that friggin' Victorian Horror...

[Captain Aktion]

^And I spent all of that money and felt rewarded for doing so. Is KOM great? No. Good? Not exactly. Terrible? Nah, not hardly.

Was it more or less exactly what I thought it would be? Yes, yes it was. Was that a bad thing? It wasn't what I wanted, but few things are. In my opinion, it was actually a better 12-issue run, as a whole, than the DH series' first 12. It certainly has less "plot" but in this case I call that a good thing. Everything past the first 2 issues of that series makes my eyes glaze over and I can do without EVER seeing G-Force again. Woods has more personality with fewer words than all four of G-Force combined.

Did everything hang together just right in KOM? No, not at all; I have tons of quibbles with the series as it stands and was definitely underwhelmed by the whole thing, but was I...what? Offended? Haha, over a simple comic series that had a limited life-span to begin with? That would seem like I was taking it a little too...personally, I'd say. As for any feelings of a "conspiracy" against us stupid Godzilla fans...well, that just sounds a tad inane.

Also, everything IDW is at least $3.50. Not because they're evil, because they're a business that must remain viable in an increasingly competitive and narrow market. Everyone outside of Marvel, DC, and maybe DH and Archie charge more than $2.99 an issue and even Marvel and DC are heading that way.

Why are we still talking about a series that's done in a thread for a series that hasn't begun, anyway?