Explaining the Heisei Timeline (Official)

[Conster74]

In order to fully understand the plot points, you have to understand reality of time itself. Time on this planet is measured by the rotation of the earth around the sun, and also the rate at which it spins, so there is that factor. Also, our fates are in a constant state of flux, or change, by the knowledge that becomes available to us and by the decisions that we make. (My great great granddad missed the Titanic by 20 minutes. Had he NOT been late, he might not have lived to reproduce, so I would not be typing this today.) 30 years ago I might have died from the abscess which these days was able to be diagnosed with a CAT scan and treated with the right antibiotics, so, I am alive today where I might not have been had medical science not been advanced like it was. We are also constantly travreeling in time, that is, forward. So any change that was, like as early as 5 minutes in the past, has the potential to affect our entire future.

The mere showing up of the Futurians already altered the flow of the time-space continuum. "We're here to kill Godzilla". BAM. Compounding this is the agreement of the human beings from the 20th century "Great! We're in, let's DO this." And all without any assurance that it was the right Godzilla, or the ONLY Godzilla. I'm of the opinion that G 1954 was left unaffected and it was the second Godzilla which was beamed to the Bering Sea and this is what turned into Godzilla 84.

[RedZillaKing]

At least according to the Heisei continuity, the two Godzillas must have come from prehistoric species that were AT LEAST related.

[omgitsgodzilla]

Conster, I think the whole point of the article was that it was a stable time loop. The timeline, viewed as a whole, Dr. Manhattan-style, was always that way. Nothing was "changed." Some of the people in it just did some jumping around from the perspective of their internal timelines, i.e. their viewpoint and actions.

[Patrick Alan]

Oh, I never noticed how much it contadicted itself, I new the whole Biollante shouldn't exsisted thing due to it happening before Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, but I forgot that means there wasn't ever a Godzilla 1954, and they bring Godzilla 1954 up many times.

[omgitsgodzilla]

No, dude, there were two Godzillasaurs. One got sent to the Bering Sea and was mutated by the nuclear sub in 1977. The other remained on the island and was mutated by the bomb into the 1954 Godzilla. It's pretty simple.

[kpa]

Oh, I never noticed how much it contadicted itself, I new the whole Biollante shouldn't exsisted thing due to it happening before Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, but I forgot that means there wasn't ever a Godzilla 1954, and they bring Godzilla 1954 up many times.

Patrick, you should read the article (if you haven't already) linked to in the first post of this thread. According to Toho and the writer/director of GvsBIOLLANTE and vsKING GHIDORAH, Biollante and the original Godzilla were not erased from history. Fans who think they were misunderstood the story of GvsKG.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

Oh, I never noticed how much it contadicted itself, I new the whole Biollante shouldn't exsisted thing due to it happening before Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah, but I forgot that means there wasn't ever a Godzilla 1954, and they bring Godzilla 1954 up many times.

Patrick, you should read the article (if you haven't already) linked to in the first post of this thread. According to Toho and the writer/director of GvsBIOLLANTE and vsKING GHIDORAH, Biollante and the original Godzilla were not erased from history. Fans who think they were misunderstood the story of GvsKG.

And understandably so.

Now that I know about the novelizations of the movies, I'd like to see how they dealt with the time travel.

Keith, I think that would be a good article to do after your Godzilla '94 one: the novelizations and other adaptions of Godzilla films.

[kpa]

Keith, I think that would be a good article to do after your Godzilla '94 one: the novelizations and other adaptions of Godzilla films.

Since I can't read Japanese it would be tough for me to put together an accurate report on the differences between the films and novel/manga adaptations. But that's an article I'd like to read so I'll suggest it to some of the Japanese-savvy contributors to SFJ. Also, Ed Godziszewski covers Kayama's GODZILLA story in one of the featurettes on the Classic Media GOJIRA DVD.

Right now I'm bouncing back and forth between three huge articles (including the G'94 report and a big Ultraman feature) as well as the general day-to-day editing, researching, writing, etc for the site. The idea of taking on another major article after that is terrifying!

[Cimmerian Dragon]

Big Ultraman feature, you say...

[kpa]

I do say.

SciFi Japan has a few Ultraman/Ultra Series articles in the works, and we've been coordinating with Tsuburaya Pro on stuff for us and for them (Jim Ballard was hired by TPC last year to create the subtitle script for the ULTRAMAN ZERO movie). The article I've been working on is an overview of all the Ultra movies, which has turned out to be much longer and MUCH more work than I expected went I started writing it (pretty much the same situation as the G'94 article). But since I like learning about this stuff its been fun discovering so much about these movies that I never knew before. I'm hoping Ultraman fans will also enjoy it, as well as other upcoming articles like the series guides and our exclusive coverage of ULTRAMAN SAGA.

[Cimmerian Dragon]

Sounds great. I'm always on the lookout for material covering the Ultras in a professional manner, as opposed to fan-wikis and the like (especially regarding the more recent incarnations).

[ZillaMaster91]

I remember reading the SciFi Japan Article back when it was first published several years ago. It did help connect things. However, mostly when I watch GvKG or any other Heisei film, I try to not think much of it.

However there are times when I have to remind myself, "It's a steady timeloop." Nothing really changes except for the interference of those meddling Futurians and King Ghidorah. Then again, if the events of GvKG didn't occur, then the Heisei Godzilla would have probably mutated simultaneously along with the first Godzilla in 1954, creating an entirely different continuity (I'm not mentioning antyhing about the Showa series while talking about the Heisei series).

Well, there I go thinking much of it!

[Legion1979]

I do say.

SciFi Japan has a few Ultraman/Ultra Series articles in the works, and we've been coordinating with Tsuburaya Pro on stuff for us and for them (Jim Ballard was hired by TPC last year to create the subtitle script for the ULTRAMAN ZERO movie). The article I've been working on is an overview of all the Ultra movies, which has turned out to be much longer and MUCH more work than I expected went I started writing it (pretty much the same situation as the G'94 article). But since I like learning about this stuff its been fun discovering so much about these movies that I never knew before. I'm hoping Ultraman fans will also enjoy it, as well as other upcoming articles like the series guides and our exclusive coverage of ULTRAMAN SAGA.

Man, I can't wait!

[Ethan]

I hope making-of trivia can surface on the collaborations with Chaiyo. So little is known about them, aside from the resulting lawsuit.

[kpa]

I don't want to drag this thread too much farther off topic, but would like to reply to the last few posts...

I do say.

SciFi Japan has a few Ultraman/Ultra Series articles in the works, and we've been coordinating with Tsuburaya Pro on stuff for us and for them (Jim Ballard was hired by TPC last year to create the subtitle script for the ULTRAMAN ZERO movie). The article I've been working on is an overview of all the Ultra movies, which has turned out to be much longer and MUCH more work than I expected went I started writing it (pretty much the same situation as the G'94 article). But since I like learning about this stuff its been fun discovering so much about these movies that I never knew before. I'm hoping Ultraman fans will also enjoy it, as well as other upcoming articles like the series guides and our exclusive coverage of ULTRAMAN SAGA.

Man, I can't wait!

Thanks! ULTRAMAN SAGA info should be on the site any day now, and I'm hoping to have the Ultraman Movie Guide online in May. I need to have production info on the three ULTRAMAN COSMOS movies translated, but that's the last major piece of material that needs to be done.

I hope making-of trivia can surface on the collaborations with Chaiyo. So little is known about them, aside from the resulting lawsuit.

The Movie Guide is focusing on Ultraman/Ultra Series movies (between the feature length films and shorts, there's more than 40 titles being covered) so JAMBORG ACE AND GIANT just gets a brief mention. But the article does have production notes for both SIX ULTRA BROTHERS VS THE MONSTER ARMY and the English dubbed SPACE WARRIORS 2000, with a lot of info that I hadn't seen before and should be new to most Ultraman fans.

[DaveTheAnalyzer]

One thing that stuck my mind was when Emi Kano came clean and admitted that Godzilla never attacked again, and Japan became super rich, and bought off South America and Africa, etc. etc.

And judging from the movies that followed, that was no longer the case.

So...the Futurians kept the timeline mostly intact from 1944 - 1992, but everything after that went to hell?

[Living Corpse]

She didn't say he never attacked again she said he never destroyed Japan, as evidenced in Destroyah the reason he never destroyed Japan completely is because he died.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

She didn't say he never attacked again she said he never destroyed Japan, as evidenced in Destroyah the reason he never destroyed Japan completely is because he died.

And it can be inferred that the world never gave the third Godzilla a reason to attack. And he had a friendly time with humans when he was younger.

[heiseiGfan]

GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH was a big hit at the Japanese box office in 1991, but the story— about time travelers going back to 1944 in an attempt to prevent the creation of Godzilla— was so convoluted and confusing that sixteen years later many viewers are still perplexed by what the movie was about and how it relates to the other films in the Heisei series.

Questions about the GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH and the Heisei timeline pop up frequently on the fan forums (there have been a least three threads on the subject in the past month alone) so I revised an old explanation and added some new information, quotes, and screenshots. For anyone who is interested, the report is now on SciFi Japan.

http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2007 ... -godzilla/

After reading the link the whole timeline of the heisei series made a lot more sense. Thank you so much.

[ScootaVaran]

That actually helps alot, thank you.