75 Godzilla vs 99 Godzilla?

[Megalon-5]

I think Jet Jaguar is Kong in a robot suit. Similar powers were used by Minya in Godzilla's Revenge which must be canon because there's no continuity, so my JJ-Kong idea has to be correct.

[menschenjaeger]

^^ Holy...YEAH! That explains how he could reprogram himself to grow larger!

[Hellspawn28]

^ So the 70's Showa movies take place in the 70's... for absolutely no reason except that it hasn't been contradicted elsewhere?

Well yes since Toho never stated that they take place after DAM. I can't believe people are really thinking that DAM does not take place in 1999 when it was stated by the omniscient narrator in the film. The narrator is the one that is telling the story and is usually always right.

[Goji]

What is this topic even about anymore?

DAM takes place at the end of the 20th century, so it's clearly not in the 60's, like Tamura already mentioned.

Is this what it's come to? Blatantly ignoring facts presented to us in these films for the sake of....conversation?

[Svitska Donkun]

Lol @ arguing canon in a franchise that has no defined canon.
You could just as easily consider DAM in the same way you can consider any of the Millennium films a fun "what-if" movie not connected to anything in the past or future. Which is how I look at it, and I think it's how it should be looked at.

I think the whole franchise takes place on Mars. The filmmakers were really loose with their science afterall, so I can disregard blatant pieces of information to the contrary.

This is a complete misrepresentation of what I said to the point that I wonder whether you read my post at all.

[TokyoVigilante]

Lol @ arguing canon in a franchise that has no defined canon.
You could just as easily consider DAM in the same way you can consider any of the Millennium films a fun "what-if" movie not connected to anything in the past or future. Which is how I look at it, and I think it's how it should be looked at.

I think the whole franchise takes place on Mars. The filmmakers were really loose with their science afterall, so I can disregard blatant pieces of information to the contrary.

This is a complete misrepresentation of what I said to the point that I wonder whether you read my post at all.

I think the whole franchise takes place on Mars. The filmmakers were really loose with their science after all.

Destroy All Monsters doesn't take place in the time frame the film says it does. The filmmakers were really loose with continuity after all.

Please enlighten me as to the difference. I would love to understand this newly accepted mindset of ignoring concrete information the films give us for no apparent reason.

[NSZ]

^ So the 70's Showa movies take place in the 70's... for absolutely no reason except that it hasn't been contradicted elsewhere?

The 70's movies take place in the 70's cause everything is so skreeonk dated in those films, from clothes to hairstyle. In DAM, they get away with it because the film expressively says it takes place at the end of the 20th century.

There's an acid-trip disco scene in Hedorah, for skreeonk sakes. Disco managing to survive past the 70's is a more ridiculous notion than a robot that can reprogram itself.

[TokyoVigilante]

^ So the 70's Showa movies take place in the 70's... for absolutely no reason except that it hasn't been contradicted elsewhere?

The 70's movies take place in the 70's cause everything is so skreeonk dated in those films, from clothes to hairstyle. In DAM, they get away with it because the film expressively says it takes place at the end of the 20th century.

There's an acid-trip disco scene in Hedorah, for skreeonk sakes. Disco managing to survive past the 70's is a more ridiculous notion than a robot that can reprogram itself.

While this is an excellent point, the idea of the seventies films being fluid (unless they flat-out say otherwise) isn't a bad notion, it's just easier to assume they take place in their years of release. When we start ignoring hard and solid facts stated by the movies (NOT special effects hick-ups or plot holes) to create a tighter continuity, then you're just establishing precedent for spreading more misinformation and confusion in a franchise that has almost sixties years and cultural and language barriers to contend with. There are plenty of people who still aren't 100% with the movies from the nineties for these same reasons.

[Svitska Donkun]

I think the whole franchise takes place on Mars. The filmmakers were really loose with their science after all.

Destroy All Monsters doesn't take place in the time frame the film says it does. The filmmakers were really loose with continuity after all.

Please enlighten me as to the difference. I would love to understand this newly accepted mindset of ignoring concrete information the films give us for no apparent reason.

I said that I just ignored it, not that it didn't exist, for one thing. If the filmmakers don't give a shit about making it more clear or consistent, why should I? Clearly it isn't an important detail at all. and still, what you are saying has no relevance tom my recent comment. DAM take place kind of outside the main continuity's. It takes place in the future, it has monsters that are not within the Showa Godzilla timeline, it has Mothra without it her fairies, and despite it being 30 years in the future, Minilla hasn't grown or anything. For all intents and purposes this film can be fit into the timeline the same way a movie like GMK or GFW can be fit into a timeline, and that is, not at all. It's equally as removed as some Millennium movies, and I think it should be looked at the same way. The movie takes place within it's own self contained universe. And it's not like the series wouldn't do EXACTLY THAT one year later with Godzilla's Revenge.

[TokyoVigilante]

I said that I just ignored it, not that it didn't exist, for one thing. If the filmmakers don't give a shit about making it more clear or consistent, why should I? Clearly it isn't an important detail at all.

I'll just ignore when the movie lets me know what cities we're in, since it just makes more sense for the franchise to be on Mars (big monsters could develop in lesser gravity, after all). If it wasn't a big deal or important, then it wouldn't have been added. The film would have been just fine without the added detail of the time and date, but it is there for a reason. The seventies and the late-sixties films have more fluidity because they don't explicitly state when they are set. That's fine, however DAM just straight up tells you when it's happening. I don't see what you could possibly want other then a straight up "THIS IS WHERE AND WHEN WE ARE" for clarity.

DAM take place kind of outside the main continuity's. It takes place in the future, it has monsters that are not within the Showa Godzilla timeline, it has Mothra without it her fairies, and despite it being 30 years in the future, Minilla hasn't grown or anything. For all intents and purposes this film can be fit into the timeline the same way a movie like GMK or GFW can be fit into a timeline, and that is, not at all.

This is a franchise where monsters pop up constantly and we don't know the circumstances of either the absence of the Fairies or the growth rate for creatures like Godzilla. That doesn't mean that it's in a completely separate universe because they don't sit you down and let you know about everything that's going on.

The events of Godzilla's containment from GRA aren't entirely consistent with how and where he escaped from in King Kong vs. Godzilla; just be a new continuity.

You might as well call Monster Zero its own continuity (Mothra is nowhere to be found afterall).

Oh shit! despite appearing exactly where he was last seen in Rodan and the Ghidrah directly referring to events of that film, no one mentioned that there was two Rodans. Must be a new continuity.

Op, flashbacks in War of the Gargantuas are inconsistent with events in Frankenstein Conquers the World (and why is no one talking about Baragon?), despite being marketed as a direct sequel, planned as a direct sequel, and centering around the threat of Frankenstein's cells from the previous film, it must be a new continuity, though.

It's equally as removed as some Millennium movies, and I think it should be looked at the same way. The movie takes place within it's own self contained universe. And it's not like the series wouldn't do EXACTLY THAT one year later with Godzilla's Revenge.

I don't see how a later film (with much clearer goals and intentions to make itself a Meta-film unconnected from the rest of the series) creates a precedent for DAM being its own separate thing.

[miguelnuva]

I think the whole franchise takes place on Mars. The filmmakers were really loose with their science after all.

Destroy All Monsters doesn't take place in the time frame the film says it does. The filmmakers were really loose with continuity after all.

Please enlighten me as to the difference. I would love to understand this newly accepted mindset of ignoring concrete information the films give us for no apparent reason.

I said that I just ignored it, not that it didn't exist, for one thing. If the filmmakers don't give a shit about making it more clear or consistent, why should I? Clearly it isn't an important detail at all. and still, what you are saying has no relevance tom my recent comment. DAM take place kind of outside the main continuity's. It takes place in the future, it has monsters that are not within the Showa Godzilla timeline, it has Mothra without it her fairies, and despite it being 30 years in the future, Minilla hasn't grown or anything. For all intents and purposes this film can be fit into the timeline the same way a movie like GMK or GFW can be fit into a timeline, and that is, not at all. It's equally as removed as some Millennium movies, and I think it should be looked at the same way. The movie takes place within it's own self contained universe. And it's not like the series wouldn't do EXACTLY THAT one year later with Godzilla's Revenge.

Expect we have no idea what happened between 75 and 99 in DAM. The only thing that contradicts DAM is Godzilla reverting back to his more animal fighting style. Which my brother came up with a theory by the way to that.

Godzilla had been contained on Monster Land for so long he forgot his 70's fighting style and just reverted back to his natural fighting style.

[menschenjaeger]

Why don't we have the "eatin' popcorn" emoticon here at TK?

[Tyler]

[Hellspawn28]

it has monsters that are not within the Showa Godzilla timeline, it has Mothra without it her fairies, and despite it being 30 years in the future, Minilla hasn't grown or anything.

It's possible that Varan, Baragon and Gorosaurus in the movie are not the same characters. And that Godzilla's life span was never explain, so it could take Minya 100 years to fully grown for all we know.

[Megalon-5]

Plus, Minya might just be some weird creature Godzilla adopted and not actually from his species. As for Varan, Baragon and Gorosaurus, didn't Toho say that the ones in DAM were different individuals from the ones we see in the other films?

[Goji]

^ There are some Japanese books that specify that they're apparently different. I'm not 100% about Goro and Baragon, but I know for a fact that "Varan 2" has been listed in some books.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

^ There are some Japanese books that specify that they're apparently different. I'm not 100% about Goro and Baragon, but I know for a fact that "Varan 2" has been listed in some books.

I think it's safe to assume that the Gorosaurus and Baragon are different creatures than the ones in their previous films. Since the previous Gorosaurus and Baragon are kinda...dead.

Unless Fuji and Glenn discovered the Necronomicon on Planet X and resurrected all the dead monsters (which would be an amazing movie) or something like that, I'm going to say Bara and Goro stayed dead.

[Megalon-5]

Unless Fuji and Glenn discovered the Necronomicon on Planet X and resurrected all the dead monsters (which would be an amazing movie) or something like that, I'm going to say Bara and Goro stayed dead.

Good god that would be the greatest film ever created.

But yeah, it'd make sense for Goro, Bara and Varan to stay dead rather than rising from the grave. Goji, did one of those books say anything about Manda in DAM being a different individual?

Also, my tinfoil hat is probably on two tight, but if the Japanese books state that the monsters in DAM (Manda,Goro, Bara and Varan) are different, does that imply that respective films those creatures appeared in occurred in the Showa timeline? I'm probably really over thinking this, but I'm wondering if there's any Japanese sources that say so.

[Living Corpse]

Unless Fuji and Glenn discovered the Necronomicon on Planet X and resurrected all the dead monsters (which would be an amazing movie) or something like that, I'm going to say Bara and Goro stayed dead.

That would actually be a good excuse for Godzilla vs The Devil.

[Goji]

But yeah, it'd make sense for Goro, Bara and Varan to stay dead rather than rising from the grave. Goji, did one of those books say anything about Manda in DAM being a different individual?

To be honest, I have no clue. We should probably ask Gamu on Fb about it.

Also, my tinfoil hat is probably on two tight, but if the Japanese books state that the monsters in DAM (Manda,Goro, Bara and Varan) are different, does that imply that respective films those creatures appeared in occurred in the Showa timeline? I'm probably really over thinking this, but I'm wondering if there's any Japanese sources that say so.

You bring up a good point. I think it's possible that they're only referred to that way for the sake of reference, since some of these books mention all of Toho's fantasy films (and not just the Godzills series), so in certain instances, they have to add the number to avoid confusion.