wataru wrote:Following someone isnt a use of force.
Didn't say it was. Read the words. I said he loses his defense if he "provokes" the use of force. That's the language in the law. Stalking someone at night certainly seems like one way to provoke a conflict.
By the way, in case you missed my edit, I pointed out that the shooting was on February 12, whereas you said Trayvon was suspicious for wearing a hoodie in the "spring/summer." I'm sure it's warmer in Florida than it is in the midwest in February, but I was in Orange County, California in March, and it was plenty cool for a hoodie, especially at night.
Here's your arguement:
Jomei wrote:"When he (Zimmerman) said 'I'm following him', he lost his defense."
Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless
he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger
#1 there is no 'defense' to lose. Zimmerman is a private citizen. It is not illegal to profile someone, or follow them.
#2 - following someone isnt force. If Trayvon saw Zimmerman following him, it's not illegal. If Trayvon felt threatened, he should've followed [b]/
#3 - Reasonable means to escape implies that Trayvon presented a threat. Suspicious activity =/= threat. Trayvon most likely presented himself as one by what I stated previously - Im sure some altercation took place and Im more likely to believe some pushing and loud shouting starting.
I dont believe Zimmerman followed then gunned down Trayvon in cold blood. I believe he followed Trayvon, Trayvon saw him, started yelling, Zimmerman yelled back, some laying of hands happened and Trayvon was shot.
The saddest part of all of this is if Zimmerman had been black, this wouldnt have been more then a 60 second news blip. "Black man shoots younger black man in Sanford. Suspect name is <blah>, victim's name is <blah>. Police investigating." Then you'd never hear about it again.