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Fan Showa Timelines (creative)

Postby MaxRebo320 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:57 pm

Hey guys, I have spent a while trying to come up with a chronological order for all of the Showa Kaiju films, and have finally done it! Remember, this not Toho's official list, just a fan's!

* 1954 - ''Godzilla''
* 1955 - ''Godzilla Raids Again''
* 1956 - ''Rodan''
* 1957 - ''The Mysterians''
* 1958 - ''Varan''
* 1961 - ''Mothra''
* 1962 - ''Frankenstein Conquers the World'' , ''King Kong vs. Godzilla''
* 1963 - ''Ataragon''
* 1964 - "Mothra vs. Godzilla'' , ''Dogora''
* 1965: ''Ghidorah: The 3 Headed Monster'', ''Battle in Outer Space''
* 1966: ''Invasion of Astro-Monster'' , ''Godzilla vs. The Sea Monster''
* 1967: ''War of the Gargantuas'' , ''King Kong Escapes''
* 1968: ''Son of Godzilla''
* 1969: ''Latitude Zero''
* 1970: ''Yog: The Monster From Space''
* 1971: ''Godzilla vs. Hedorah''
* 1972: ''Godzilla vs. Gigan''
* 1973: ''Godzilla vs. Megalon''
* 1974: ''Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla''
* 1975: ''Terror of Mechagodzilla''
* 1982: ''Gorath''
* 1988: ''War in Space''
* 1999: ''Destroy All Monsters''
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Re: MY Showa Timeline

Postby Legion1979 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:02 pm

Uhhhh huuuuh....
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Re: MY Showa Timeline

Postby Megalon-5 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:04 pm

Hey Max, sorry to rain on your parade, but Minya was born by Godzilla vs. Gigan. He was shown as one of the inhabitants of the island.
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Re: MY Showa Timeline

Postby Tamura » Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:55 pm

1. Movies like BIOS, FRANKIE and KKE are Showa era films, but they don't fall into the continuity of the Godzilla series.

2. GORATH takes place (mostly) in 1980.

3. While MONSTER ZERO takes place in 196X, meaning it could have happened any year of that decade, I assume the creators envisioned a date later than 1965 because of the futuristic aspects.

4. The events of GODZILLA VS. MEGALON were in 1971 (according to the international English dub).

5. ATTACK OF THE GALACTIC MONSTERS isn't a Toho film.
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Re: MY Showa Timeline

Postby Megalon-5 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:07 pm

Tamura, wasn't Attack Of The Galactic Monsters a hoax anyways along with Monster King Godzilla? I swear it was revealed as a hoax sometime ago. I could be wrong though.
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Re: MY Showa Timeline

Postby Tamura » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:24 pm

Oops, you're right. I was thinking of the anime & tokusatsu mashup film, ATTACK OF THE SUPERMONSTERS.
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Re: MY Showa Timeline

Postby CTHimes » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:43 pm

(Forgive me, Nick, I'm posting again...)

Good work on compiling all this, I guess, but there are some errors.

GHIDRAH takes place in January, though the year is not given. We can assume it's 1965. Image: http://i.imgur.com/iwRAq.png

FCTW takes place partially in 1945, and then in 1960 (this is when Dr. Bowen is introduced. Young Frankie is hit by the cab driver in this year). Then the movie jumps to a later date. Sueko says, "This is the anniversary of [Tazuko Towoi's] death." She doesn't mention how many years it's been, but since we see the Frankenstein child again shortly afterwards (and he hasn't aged much since the cab incident), it makes most sense to say a year has passed. In fact, it might be a little over a year, since Towoi is still alive, albeit very ill, in the 1960 scenes. Images: http://i.imgur.com/DgRVD.png http://i.imgur.com/zauRG.png

In addition, GORATH can't take place in the same continuity as the Godzilla series. At the end of GORATH, the moon is obliterated by Gorath, while in DAM, whole scenes take place on the moon.

ATRAGON can't take place in the same continuity either, as evidenced by this exchange in GODZILLA VS. MEGALON (using the dub, although the Japanese dialogue is pretty much the same):

Goro: "We'll vanish, like Mu and Lemuria."
Roku: "What's that? Where's those places? I've never heard of them before."
Goru: "I'll tell ya. They were continents that existed a long time ago. One in the Pacific, one in the Indian Ocean. Then one day there was a big earthquake and they both vanished. Mind you -I must say- the majority of the historians believe they only existed in legend."
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Re: MY Showa Timeline

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:02 pm

CTHimes wrote:In addition, GORATH can't take place in the same continuity as the Godzilla series. At the end of GORATH, the moon is obliterated by Gorath, while in DAM, whole scenes take place on the moon.


Eh, You could probably fit it in if you made it take place AFTER DAM, and War in Space after that.
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Re: MY Showa Timeline

Postby Hellspawn28 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:45 pm

Let's stick with the official timelines thank very much.
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Re: MY Showa Timeline

Postby Megalon-5 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:48 pm

I still think the best suggestion is that Toho didn't give a damn at the time. ;)

Also, didn't one Japanese book state that the non-Godzilla Toho kaiju films were part of the Godzilla canon? I could've sworn something did (I might be thinking of the Kiryu film books, so clarification would be really nice).
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Re: MY Showa Timeline

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:55 pm

Unless the film makes a specific mention as to what year it is taking place in (like Destroy All Monsters), we have to assume that the film takes place in the same year the film was made. Son Of Godzilla never said what year it was, so we have to assume that it takes place in 1967.
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Re: MY Showa Timeline

Postby JVM » Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:27 pm

He said it's his timeline and there's nothing wrong with a little fanon, as long as it's probably labelled as such, IMO
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Re: MY Showa Timeline

Postby Godzilla 2000 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:33 pm

Who the skreeonk cares about continuity anymore.
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Re: MY Showa Timeline

Postby kpa » Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:43 am

MaxRebo320 wrote:* 1978: ''Attack of the Galactic Monsters'' (Look it up)'


Like others have mentioned here, ''Attack of the Galactic Monsters'' isn't a real movie... some fan just edited together scenes from ZONE FIGHTER and WAR IN SPACE.
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Re: MY Showa Timeline

Postby Living Corpse » Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:15 am

CTHimes wrote:In addition, GORATH can't take place in the same continuity as the Godzilla series. At the end of GORATH, the moon is obliterated by Gorath, while in DAM, whole scenes take place on the moon.


The fact that Maguma was one of the monsters originally planed to be in DAM kinda makes this funny in hindsight. :lol:
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Re: MY Showa Timeline

Postby MaxRebo320 » Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:46 am

Thanks to everybody correcting some of my mistakes. I will add more detail as time progresses. I made some errors mainly because I have never seen ''Gorath'', ''Ataragon'', and a few other obscure-er flicks.
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Re: MY Showa Timeline

Postby Ethan » Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:58 am

Some US versions take place in their own separate continuities. King Kong vs. Godzilla, for instance.
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Re: MY Showa Timeline

Postby CTHimes » Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:52 am

Kaiju-King42 wrote:Eh, You could probably fit it in if you made it take place AFTER DAM, and War in Space after that.


Well, the problem with that is that GORATH takes place in 1980-1982 (stated in the film), while WAR IN SPACE takes place in Autumn 1988 (also stated in the film). DAM, of course, takes place at the end of the 20th Century (stated in the Japanese version; both dubs put the film in 1999). You could argue that "end of the 20th century" could be anywhere from 1980-2000, but that's really stretching it, I think.

Besides, GORATH isn't even important to the Showa Godzilla timeline. Neither is WAR IN SPACE. And as fun as it is to guess how all these movies fit together, the fact is that many of them simply don't.
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Re: MY Showa Timeline

Postby Hellspawn28 » Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:33 am

Tamura wrote:4. The events of GODZILLA VS. MEGALON were in 1971 (according to the international English dub).


Dubs are never close to the Japanese scripts. I think we should stick what the sub titles say when it comes to information.
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Re: MY Showa Timeline

Postby Legion1979 » Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:39 am

Since many non-Godzilla Toho films act like the existence of monsters is a huge surprise it's impossible to force them into the Godzilla continuity. Gorosaurus was in King Kong Escapes but he was also in Destroy All Monsters. Does this mean that KKE can fit into the Godzilla canon?

No. Because in KKE they treat Kong as if he's just a legend, when we already had a different (and bigger) Kong in King Kong vs Godzilla.

Just one example.
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