Where should he stand? (Hero or Villain)

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What role should Godzilla play?

A hero.
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6%
A threat to the world.
6
12%
A potential ally.
5
10%
An anti-hero.
34
67%
Other (please specify).
3
6%
 
Total votes : 51

Re: What threats is this Godzilla going to bring?

Postby Cimmerian Dragon » Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:33 pm

In my G-Fan story, I really played up the level of radioactive contamination. I had it so that buildings had to be evacuated long after Godzilla had passed due to the huge amounts of radiation lingering in his wake. I would love to see LP take a similar approach, turning the areas he walked through into "no-man's-lands" for weeks (or months) afterward.
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Re: What threats is this Godzilla going to bring?

Postby Gyaos » Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:26 pm

Radioactivity and possibly Shokuris (sp?). Why not take a crack at the plague blood Beast from 20,000 Fathoms tried?
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Re: What threats is this Godzilla going to bring?

Postby Rody » Sun Apr 08, 2012 5:42 pm

^ Well, something like that could go with a radiation danger.
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Re: What threats is this Godzilla going to bring?

Postby Space Hunter M » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:04 pm

Like others have said, I've had this idea of Godzilla's radioactive blood contaminating the groundwater or something like that. Nothing overly dramatic, just a passing reference mentioned by a reporter or a scientist character.
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Re: What threats is this Godzilla going to bring?

Postby KaijuSapian » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:17 am

Nuclear contamination is the way to go I think. It gives Godzilla an element of passive destructiveness. Either people are irradiated, or maybe the nearby sea-life and fishing supply come in close proximity of him, causing something like the tuna-scare which happened in Japan. Could the sea-life attack people like the shockirus did? I guess... but I think that's unnecessary. If this film is going to have another monster for Godzilla to battle, let the little creatures be it's offspring or something. I don't know. Do we really need more smaller creatures to attack people like the parasites did in Cloverfield? Less is more I say, keep between Godzilla and the other monster.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby Mitchal » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:01 pm

Villain.

Honestly, I'm one of those few that thinks this movie should only have Godzilla.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby Shadow » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:37 pm

Mitchal wrote:Villain.

Honestly, I'm one of those few that thinks this movie should only have Godzilla.


Then young jedi, you will DIE! :lol:
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby Berzerkgodzilla » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:42 pm

Svitska Donkun wrote:Hero, but more of an anti-heroish guy, like...he's the only thing protecting the planet, but he is indifferent towards the humans that live on it, and occasionally angered by them. But maybe, MAYBE, he can sometimes be a bit more defensive of them such as in Sea Monster, Ghidorah, and Godzilla 2000. Godzilla 2000 really hit the sweet spot in temrs of his character. He was like, "You ASSHOLES, I'm trying to help this place! skreeonk you Katagiri. Everyone else, you're good. For now."

Kind of like, Tokyo is HIS territory. He ALLOWS Humans to exist in it, or should I say, he TOLERATES it, but it isn't his fault if they get in his way, and he doesn't respond well to their attempts to kill him. This relationship is actually perfectly emphasized by Godzilla's final act in Godzilla 2000. People exist on his turf because he allows them to, and if he so wishes, he could kill all of them.


I like this description. It makes G2000's Godzilla seem well for lack of a better word, Dynamic
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby Gexistentialist » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:24 pm

Call me corny or idealistic, but I think Godzilla should be portrayed as a sympathetic anti-hero who finds some closure by the end of the story.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby JVM » Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:49 pm

Svitska Donkun wrote:Hero, but more of an anti-heroish guy, like...he's the only thing protecting the planet, but he is indifferent towards the humans that live on it, and occasionally angered by them. But maybe, MAYBE, he can sometimes be a bit more defensive of them such as in Sea Monster, Ghidorah, and Godzilla 2000. Godzilla 2000 really hit the sweet spot in temrs of his character. He was like, "You ASSHOLES, I'm trying to help this place! skreeonk you Katagiri. Everyone else, you're good. For now."

Kind of like, Tokyo is HIS territory. He ALLOWS Humans to exist in it, or should I say, he TOLERATES it, but it isn't his fault if they get in his way, and he doesn't respond well to their attempts to kill him. This relationship is actually perfectly emphasized by Godzilla's final act in Godzilla 2000. People exist on his turf because he allows them to, and if he so wishes, he could kill all of them.


I know we're not supposed to say good things about G2K... but I totally agree, Donkun. Right on.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby Cimmerian Dragon » Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:09 pm

JVM wrote:I know we're not supposed to say good things about G2K... but I totally agree, Donkun. Right on.


Whose says we're not allowed to say good things about G2K? :mad:

Yeah, it's not one of the best, but I'd call it third-place in terms of the millennium series. One of its best qualities was really nailing the Godzilla hero/villain balance. The audience was supposed to be on his side all the way, but there wasn't one single moment where he couldn't have blown the hell out of us. That last attack on the city just screams "Yeah, I killed the alien...but I still don't give a shit about you piss-ants."
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby Viva la revolucion! » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:43 am

Mitchal wrote:Villain.

Honestly, I'm one of those few that thinks this movie should only have Godzilla.

True story. It needs to have more kills and stuff, make Godzilla really dangerous and threatning. That way he can be taken seriously like Gojira, remember when it got rereleased and got positive reviews?
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby TokyoVigilante » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:49 am

Viva la revolucion! wrote:
Mitchal wrote:Villain.

Honestly, I'm one of those few that thinks this movie should only have Godzilla.

True story. It needs to have more kills and stuff, make Godzilla really dangerous and threatning. That way he can be taken seriously like Gojira, remember when it got rereleased and got positive reviews?

The franchise is never going to be Gojira again. It can never go back. There's to much ingrained pop cultural history and way to be many more interesting stories to tell. There's nothing to gain from Godzilla killing people. It's a dumb and cheap shock value.

Remember when the straight comedic Godzilla film made the most money in the franchise? Crazy.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby shinmattiathekaiju » Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:09 pm

TokyoVigilante wrote:True story. It needs to have more kills and stuff, make Godzilla really dangerous and threatning. That way he can be taken seriously like Gojira, remember when it got rereleased and got positive reviews?

The franchise is never going to be Gojira again. It can never go back. There's to much ingrained pop cultural history and way to be many more interesting stories to tell. There's nothing to gain from Godzilla killing people. It's a dumb and cheap shock value.

Remember when the straight comedic Godzilla film made the most money in the franchise? Crazy.[/quote]

You mean Final Wars was a commercial success!?
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby Viva la revolucion! » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:56 pm

Remember when people didn't take Batman seriously because of the crappy films that came before it? Well then, Batman Begins and the DARK Knight changed everything and they can do it again. I hope this films is a lot like that, you know?
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby Megalon-5 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:01 pm

Of course, people could view the idea of a really dark movie about a giant monster about as stupid as a movie with Godzilla flying.

Honestly, I don't really care what the tone is as long as it has a good, well written and entertaining script. Though I'd prefer the tone to be like the earlier Showa films.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby Living Corpse » Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:38 pm

shinmattiathekaiju wrote:
You mean Final Wars was a commercial success!?


I c wut u did there.

No but he means King Kong Versus Godzilla made the most money for it's time.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby Tyler » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:19 pm

It doesn't matter how serious, goofy or profitable this movie is. It just needs to be good.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby TokyoVigilante » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:50 pm

Viva la revolucion! wrote:Remember when people didn't take Batman seriously because of the crappy films that came before it?

No, because that time did not actually happen. Batman only had one really bad movie before Batman Begins and that was Batman & Robin. Batman is a character that is almost one hundred years old and film isn't the characters primary medium, one bad movie isn't going to change anything.

Oh yeah, and Batman & Robin was still a huge financial success.

Well then, Batman Begins and the DARK Knight changed everything and they can do it again. I hope this films is a lot like that, you know?

They didn't change anything. I would hate if they made Godzilla like Nolans films. Just sucked dry of any character or anything remotely exciting or interesting and treating iconography of the character like they're embarrassed of it. I don't understand why anyone would be willing to sacrifice aspects of the character for the sake of proving to people that their childrens character they like isn't for children.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERO or VILLAIN?

Postby Tyler » Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:01 pm

I think what some people mean is that they want something as good as the Nolan films, not necessarily as realistic or serious. That's what I mean anyway. In my mind something like Star Trek or Rise of the Planet of the Apes are just as good as the new Batman films. You just have to treat the property your playing with in the right way and update it properly.
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