Alien vs Dinosaur

[CatfaceFourtoes]

It sure sucks if it actually has come to it that Predators are superior to Xenomorphs now. After all, the Predator from first movie seemed only to demonstrate feats hinting that it might have been equal to Xenomorphs in strength, like hauling humans bodily into the air from above, its natural claws throwing sparks off of stone as it took a playful swipe at Dutch, moving too fast for the human commandos to react in time, like how it got Dillon, and being able to climb and move through trees with ease similar to how Xenomorphs move through ducts.

Later films seemed to dumb the bestial aspects of the Predators down, not increased them, making them more dependant on their weapons, like modified humans. That was why I was happy watching Celtic and Grid tackling and pinning each other in AVP. It showed that at least one Predator could compete with Xenomorphs on their own terms. The crazy rumbling effect of Celtic's steps also gave a good sense of raw physical power. AVP2 took it to ridiculous levels though, with severely undersized Xenomorph Warriors getting knocked around by one lone Predator, at least until it runs into the slightly bigger Predalien, which proceeds to whoop the Predator's ass as it feebly tries to fight it with it's wrist knife and nothing else. I found the fact that the humans won this game with a nuke and stole the Predator's tech insulting and frankly PIS. But then that could sum up the rest of that movie as well.

A side by side movie comparison of the Xenomorph and Predator clearly indicates what was initially the better monster. The Xenomorphs were more clearly thought out with more explanation of their abilities in the first three Alien films. They were supposed to be biological weapons transported by the "Space Jockie", not some Klingon wannabe rite of passage for Predators to prove their manhood. That was what humans were probably supposed to be for, a la The Most Dangerous Game, with an extra terrestrial twist. The Predators use technology, so what? Examine the original concept art for the Xenomorphs and it becomes clear that Aliens practically ARE technology, with wires and tubes and vents permeating their bodies, and the strength to tear through space age metal bulkheads like tinfoil. Predators are conceptual off shoots of Xenomorphs, the brain child of the late great Stan Winston influenced with James Cameron's suggestion of creating "something with Mandibles". As luck would have it, the Predator in its debut turned out to be something that rivaled the Xenomorph, a vaguely man shaped beast with technology virtually built into it, making it all the more "alien" and able to tear hardened commandos apart for sport.


Since then, Predators in seemingly all cross overs have used Xenomorphs as their whipping boys, diminishing the character of the beasts to aggrandize the "Yautja" or "Hish" or whatever. They certainly were not called that in the first films, while the Alien monicker Xenomorph is actual film canon. Alien blood is burning "Molecular Acid", Predator blood merely glows in the movies and at best served as an ingenious decoy to throw off Dutch. Alien's jaws retract and deliver kill shots, Predator Jaws have so far not done so. That being the way that it is, it was probably a mistake not to have The Predator's face shields and armor be strong enough to resist Xenomorph tongue puncture and acid blood. It makes the tech itself look weak. In the first two films, the Predator's offensive gear was nigh invincible and part of what made them so horrifying. On the flip side, what if Xenomorphs could actually tolerate or deflect a plasma caster bolt? The creature has acid for blood for crying out loud, anything is possible. And it would make these battles a lot less one sided.

Anyhow, saying that Xenomorphs are weaker than Predators is a mistake in this debate, because the very first Predator was wounded with standard Earth weapons. Scaled up, Godzilla withstood similar assault for a prolonged period of time without suffering so much as a scratch. It did not flee from the stream of projectiles either, but walked right though it. It's doppleganger was hit with an even higher rate of fire in Godzilla Raids Again (one of the better if not best parts of the movie) with the same result.

[GojiFan]

If you really feel like ranting about what I said, I suggest you make a separate topic for it. I am not going to derail this match just for the sake of explaining to you how wrong nearly everything you said was.

[CatfaceFourtoes]

It doesn't matter how PIS AVP has become, my point about the first Predator's weakness before human weapons still stands. The Predator fled from an assault that left it with a serious leg wound, an assault that Godzilla 1954 would have casually strolled though without suffering injury. To say that the original Xenomorphs were weaker than than a predator makes them look like they are lacking in the endurance department when compared to Gojira.
Another thing. Its funny how people talk about how slow Godzilla was in its first film and seem to totally forget how slow the original Xenomorph acted in confrontations in the first Alien film. It practically made itself known to the humans and stood there letting them stare at it before it grabbed them and went for the head bite. About the only character that was taken out quickly was Dallas when the Xenomorph ambushed him in the ducts, and even then its movements were telegraphed by the tracking device. Dallas just did not see it. Lambert just stood there as it killed Parker and then ever so slowly turned toward her. And they say Godzilla 1954 was slow.
Come on, it was done for the drama of it in the cases of both films. And I also recall Godzilla having a degree of stealth under water. It just pops up in Tokyo bay in its first attack. As for Godzilla's speed, I think the speed with which it gets the train in its jaws after it collides with his foot speaks to how fast the monster could suddenly move, not to mention it's super duper Stop-motion animated tail that swings so fast that it causes an oncoming fire engine to lose control and overturn at ridiculously high speed, without even touching it.

[miguelnuva]

Arn't the Xenomorphs the Predators breed weaker then the one's the space jockies use?

[CatfaceFourtoes]

I dunno. The situation in the first movie was very similar to what the Xenomorph faced in Alien3. Humans with very few weapons. The way the first creature was treated made it seem like conventional weapons would have been useless against it anyway.
Sorry about the AVP rant about Predators being stronger. It's not very fair, seeing as more seemed revealed about the Xenomorphs in the first two movies than was revealed about the Predators, except maybe the presence of a Xenomorph skull in the trophy case on the ship. With that scene, the Predators' back story was seemingly tied to the Xenomorph, so the relationship would have needed to be established. To be fair, the Aliens were only shown to be cargo of the derelict space ship in Alien, while the Predators were clearly shown to be capable of space travel in Predator 1 and 2, which seemingly makes them more intelligent. And since they lack a means of physically tearing the Aliens apart without bladed weapons, the new strength advantage would seem to even the odds a bit, so that they may inflict blunt force trauma, like Celtic did to Grid . As for the Plasma Caster, that only holds an advantage over Xenomorphs until they develop a means to use their own acid as a long range projectile. I still think the Predator armor should be more resistant to the acid, after viewing what was said about the space metal that the Predators use in Predator2. I just like the first glimpse of the Predator that was seen in the first film. It almost seemed like some sort of alien cyborg with all the machines custom fit to it to ensure its survival and successful hunting. It is a lot less alien when it gets stripped of its technology, just a reptilian thing with an interesting head.

[GodzillaXGomoraFight]

With superior speed and close combat, the Aliens have a good chance in winning. The main obstacle in this way is G54, and the Face-Huggers would be taken out by an atomic ray with ease. This, however, could only occur if Godzilla is fast enough to kill them before they get to the Dinos (their small armas can't help to pry the Huggers off). In the case they get to the Dinos, Godzilla could loose the match to them. Who knows how crazy a Dinosaur-Alien would be, but I can tell that it won't be nice. The Dino team has a far better chance in winning if they kill the Face Huggers; they would still suffer a casualty or two.

Aliens: 6/10
Dinos: 4/10

[CatfaceFourtoes]

I realize that citing Godzilla's resistance to damage has also denied this match of an interesting event. If Godzilla 54 runs anything like GMK Godzilla does, imagine what could happen if Godzilla 1954's neck was punctured by a Xenomorph tongue jab. Godzilla would bleed it's radiation out of its neck. This would probably kill the Xenomorph that does it if Godzilla was in the process of firing the ray, but since when has that ever occured to Xenomorphs on the attack?

[PopInPicsPresents]

imagine what could happen if Godzilla 1954's neck

He'd be dead, end of story.

[miguelnuva]

imagine what could happen if Godzilla 1954's neck

He'd be dead, end of story.

Why do you say this?

[PopInPicsPresents]

imagine what could happen if Godzilla 1954's neck

He'd be dead, end of story.

Why do you say this?

1.) Gojira never shows any sign of regeneration.
2.) He's gonna bleed out.
3.) If he does have Showa level regeneration it still isn't good enough to seal up a wound of that magnitude in time before skreeonk BLEEDING TO DEATH.
4.) He's gonna skreeonk bleed out.

Having regeneration doesn't make him unkillable

[CatfaceFourtoes]

Why do you say this?[/quote]

1.) Gojira never shows any sign of regeneration.
2.) He's gonna bleed out.
3.) If he does have Showa level regeneration it still isn't good enough to seal up a wound of that magnitude in time before skreeonk BLEEDING TO DEATH.
4.) He's gonna skreeonk bleed out.

Having regeneration doesn't make him unkillable [/quote]
Depends on what kind of level regeneration we're talking about. Like if it was around the level of War of The Gargantuas/Reptilicus's starfish-like regenerative abilities, or the ridiculous crap Wolverine has been shown to regenerate from of late in the movies and comics.

That said, Godzilla 1954 was not really shown to have regenerative capabilities of that caliber, but it is a creature that survived radioactive fallout, seems powered by it, and is capable of emitting intense radiation from its mouth, so I believe some regenerative ability would have to sustain it as the process of fission is going on in its guts, not to mention the durability that the body would need to have to contain such a process in a living body. That's right up there with having acid for blood. The one difference being that Godzilla 1954 was never shown to pop or explode in a violent spray of its deadly contents the way the Xenomorph warriors did in Aliens. As for the end of the story, the Xenomorphs would be out one warrior if it took a face full of intense radiation from the tongue wound given to Godzilla's neck.