Rodan vs King Ghidorah

[Kiryu2012]

Fire Rodan
http://tohokingdom.com/kaiju/rodan_heisei.htm#f

vs

King Ghidorah
http://tohokingdom.com/kaiju/king_ghido ... sei.htm#kg

Arena: Where Godzilla fought King Ghidorah

Rules: No interference
KG is mind-controlled

Verdict: I have to abstain. Both combatants gave Godzilla a helluva fight. Rodan's beam is on par with Godzilla's own, so KG will be unaffected by it for quite awhile. But then again, KG's Gravity Bolts won't bring down the tanky Rodan so easily. I'm gonna say a tie for now, but what do you guys think?

King Ghidorah 5/10

Rodan 5/10

[ghidorasauras]

king ghidorah, heisei rodan is weak

[Kiryu2012]

Unless you call tanking several plasma Grenades before going down weak, I cannot comprehend what you said.

[Kaiju-King42]

Proof that Dorat Ghidorah is no true King of Terror. Being compared equally in power to Rodan. And whats more, a weaker Rodan than the Showa version! Anyway, Dorat Ghidorah hate aside, I actually do think that DG could win this. He is a much larger opponent than Godzilla, and is equally as tough, too. And Godzilla beat Rodan, so...

Dorat Ghidorah: 7/10

[Kiryu2012]

How is Fire Rodan weaker than Showa rodan? Super Mechagodzilla had to blast him several times with the Plasma Grenade, yet Rodan kept fighting, pecking out SMG's eye. KG won't like it if Rodan gets in close and pecks out some of his eyes. Also, when I compare Showa KG and this 'Dorat Ghidorah' I think of Heisei KG being the stronger one. So, how exactly is Showa KG the stronger one?

[GodzillaXGomoraFight]

I would have to side with King Ghidorah on this. If Ghidorah didn't lose his mind control in GXKG, he would have overpowered Godzilla easily. Rodan is no push-over: he did tank the plasma cannon and floor Godzilla after all. Despite this, I don't know if Rodan could defeat King Ghidorah without struggling through a brutal battle.

King Ghidorah: 7/10
Rodan: 3/10

[Kaiju-King42]

How is Fire Rodan weaker than Showa rodan? Super Mechagodzilla had to blast him several times with the Plasma Grenade, yet Rodan kept fighting, pecking out SMG's eye. KG won't like it if Rodan gets in close and pecks out some of his eyes. Also, when I compare Showa KG and this 'Dorat Ghidorah' I think of Heisei KG being the stronger one. So, how exactly is Showa KG the stronger one?

Because King Ghidorah (with the exception of vs Gigan) always takes Godzilla and a partner to overpower. Even in Monster Zero, it ended up as a tie. King Ghidorah is always unhurt by Godzilla's beam, and needs physical attacks to bring him down. He is widely known throughout the galaxy, is a planet killer, adept at destroying civilizations far more advanced than ours, and even the Xiliens tried every force known to them, but they couldn't kill him. Dorat Ghidorah, meanwhile, is the three headed dragon equivalent of Godzilla: a creature (or three) mutated into a monster by atomic testings. He gets decapitated by Godzilla's beam, his wings shredded by the tail slam, and then ties with Godzilla as a stronger Mecha-King-Ghidorah. Sure, his gravity bolts pack the same amount of punch, but even then his durability leaves a lot to be desired. The only reason he overpowered Godzilla in the first place was because he started spamming his gravity bolts.

Now, you can always go for the classic "oh, but heisei Godzilla is far stronger than the showa version", but is that really true? I don't think so. The beam isn't noticeably stronger, it just has better effects. Heisei Godzilla can't really fight melee as well as Showa can, he isn't as fast, nor his he as intelligent. Luckily, heisei does have a nuclear pulse, but that is all he really has over showa Godzilla. Even their durability feats are equal to each other. One has survived in the mantle, while the other has survived mountain cutting lasers and missiles that can unearth entire city blocks from the ground. Honestly,if it weren't for the spiral ray, I would say they are equal in power.

Aaaaand... I'll get to Rodan later. I'm running low on time to write.

[Kiryu2012]

You...you think Showa King Ghidorah has superior feats compared to Heisei KG?



I find that unlogical. Showa King Ghidorah is tough, I'll admit that, but he's a pretty shitty fighter put simply. I honestly view Heisei King Ghidorah tougher than Showa KG, since he pretty much was owning Godzilla before his mind-control was broken. Also, Showa Godzilla could handle KG in Godzilla vs Gigan well on his own with little help from Anguirus. So I don't see how Showa KG is any tougher than Heisei KG.

[PopInPicsPresents]

Let's look at the facts here, Fire Rodan is basically an agile, flying, less durable Heisei Godzilla. He likes to spam his Uranium Beam which is on par with Godzilla's own ray. Ghidorah did better against Godzilla while free from mind control, so he's a tad crippled in the fight. Rodan may not have an Atomic Pulse but he's swift enough and aggressive enough to give Ghidorah a run for his money. Ghidorah likes to take to the air and spam his Gravity Beams which really can be avoided since Rodan is agile enough. I'd say the fight is moderately even.

Ghidorah 6/10
Rodan 4/10

[Destroyer]

Don't mean to go off-topic too much, but Kaiju-King, what do you mean when "even the Xiliens tried every force known to them, but they couldn't kill him." I thought he was mind-controlled by them the whole time in Monster Zero.

[Kaiju-King42]

I'm just going by what the Controller said in the movie.

"Gentlemen, we have tried every force known to us. We can't kill him."

I mean really, would they really have Ghidorah attack their H2O plants if they were so vital to them? Would their world really be a barren wasteland before Ghidorah came? I don't think so. For me, evidence points that Ghidorah wasn't under their control until he was weakened by Godzilla and Rodan. But we all view the films differently, so your opinion could differ from mine.

I find that unlogical. Showa King Ghidorah is tough, I'll admit that, but he's a pretty shitty fighter put simply. I honestly view Heisei King Ghidorah tougher than Showa KG, since he pretty much was owning Godzilla before his mind-control was broken. Also, Showa Godzilla could handle KG in Godzilla vs Gigan well on his own with little help from Anguirus. So I don't see how Showa KG is any tougher than Heisei KG.

You speak of King Ghidorah being a shitty fighter. Honestly, aside from being a little crazier, his fighting style isn't all that different than Dorat Ghidorahs: beam spam the opponent to death. It was what he tried to do against Mothra before Godzilla interfered. It was what he tried to do to Godzilla before Rodan interfered. It was what he tried to do to Rodan before Godzilla and Mothra interfered. Only with Dorat Ghidorah, there was no one to interfere with his beam spamming strategy.

As for Godzilla vs Gigan... well, there is a reason why I said: with the exception of vs Gigan. Ghidorah was... drunk or something in that one. Or just plain lazy.

The reason why I see King Ghidorah being stronger than Dorat Ghidorah is because, in my view:

Dorat Ghidorah=Heisei Godzilla
Heisei Godzilla=Showa Godzilla
Showa Godzilla=Showa Rodan
Showa Godzilla+Showa Rodan=King Ghidorah

Tis simple!

[Destroyer]

I'm just going by what the Controller said in the movie.

"Gentlemen, we have tried every force known to us. We can't kill him."

I mean really, would they really have Ghidorah attack their H2O plants if they were so vital to them? Would their world really be a barren wasteland before Ghidorah came? I don't think so. For me, evidence points that Ghidorah wasn't under their control until he was weakened by Godzilla and Rodan. But we all view the films differently, so your opinion could differ from mine.

You know what? I actually like that, it makes sense. Plus, it does make Ghidorah look better in the film.

[Gyaos]

I'm just going by what the Controller said in the movie.

"Gentlemen, we have tried every force known to us. We can't kill him."

Which is probably bullshit, much like all of the other things the Xillians said to humans.

I mean really, would they really have Ghidorah attack their H2O plants if they were so vital to them? Would their world really be a barren wasteland before Ghidorah came? I don't think so. For me, evidence points that Ghidorah wasn't under their control until he was weakened by Godzilla and Rodan. But we all view the films differently, so your opinion could differ from mine.

Or they where lying about Ghidorah attacking the H2O plants to continue their insidious scheme. Which isnt hard to imagine considering how many times the Xillians deceived the human cast throughout the films.

You speak of King Ghidorah being a shitty fighter. Honestly, aside from being a little crazier, his fighting style isn't all that different than Dorat Ghidorahs: beam spam the opponent to death. It was what he tried to do against Mothra before Godzilla interfered. It was what he tried to do to Godzilla before Rodan interfered. It was what he tried to do to Rodan before Godzilla and Mothra interfered. Only with Dorat Ghidorah, there was no one to interfere with his beam spamming strategy.

You forget physically overpowering an amped up Heisei Godzilla who, by the way, would dominate Showa Godzilla.

[Kaiju-King42]

You speak of King Ghidorah being a shitty fighter. Honestly, aside from being a little crazier, his fighting style isn't all that different than Dorat Ghidorahs: beam spam the opponent to death. It was what he tried to do against Mothra before Godzilla interfered. It was what he tried to do to Godzilla before Rodan interfered. It was what he tried to do to Rodan before Godzilla and Mothra interfered. Only with Dorat Ghidorah, there was no one to interfere with his beam spamming strategy.

You forget physically overpowering an amped up Heisei Godzilla who, by the way, would dominate Showa Godzilla.

This is where my opinions differ with most of the fandom. Really, how much stronger is Heisei Godzilla compared to Showa?

Beams. Yeah, they're about the same. Same general explosion size, same general effectiveness on enemies. One just looks cooler than the other.
Melee. Heisei has the advantage in strength of course, but Showa has speed, exceptional melee skills, and intelligence on his side. Over all, Showa is a much better melee fighter than Heisei is.
Durability. Sure, Heisei Godzilla swam in the mantle. While Showa Godzilla took mountain cutting beams, missiles that could rip entire city blocks from the earth, acid strong enough to bring down a building in it's gas form, etc. They are equal here.
Regeneration: Heisei has the advantage in this department.
Intelligence: Showa, no contest. And this here plays a big part in battles.
Nuclear pulse: Only Heisei has this.

Yeah, there would be no domination what so ever. They equally tough in differing ways. truthfully, aside from the whole swimming under the mantle scenario, Heisei Godzilla hasn't done anything all that special.

[Godzillabrawler]

Yeah, there would be no domination what so ever. They equally tough in differing ways. truthfully, aside from the whole swimming under the mantle scenario, Heisei Godzilla hasn't done anything all that special.

Unless that Biollante anatomy cut-away is correct and he's survived being hit with diamond-eating acid.

[PopInPicsPresents]

This is where my opinions differ with most of the fandom. Really, how much stronger is Heisei Godzilla compared to Showa?

Beams. Yeah, they're about the same. Same general explosion size, same general effectiveness on enemies. One just looks cooler than the other.
Melee. Heisei has the advantage in strength of course, but Showa has speed, exceptional melee skills, and intelligence on his side. Over all, Showa is a much better melee fighter than Heisei is.
Durability. Sure, Heisei Godzilla swam in the mantle. While Showa Godzilla took mountain cutting beams, missiles that could rip entire city blocks from the earth, acid strong enough to bring down a building in it's gas form, etc. They are equal here.
Regeneration: Heisei has the advantage in this department.
Intelligence: Showa, no contest. And this here plays a big part in battles.
Nuclear pulse: Only Heisei has this.

Yeah, there would be no domination what so ever. They equally tough in differing ways. truthfully, aside from the whole swimming under the mantle scenario, Heisei Godzilla hasn't done anything all that special.

(Breathes in, breathes out)

NO.

Heisei Godzilla's Atomic Ray actually blows stuff up. Showa Godzilla's ray sets stuff on fire. Melee? A shove from Heisei Godzilla would put Showa on his ass, while the useless kung-fu would do what exactly to Heisei? Intelligence? Showa is smarter but not by a lot. Durability? (sigh) Cutting through a kaiju is MUCH harder then cutting through a mountain. And FYI, it wasn't a mountain it was a pillar-esc rock formation. His only real impressive durability feat is having a few Finger Missiles down his throat. And let's just think about this for a second okay? Heisei Godzilla, swam under the skreeonk mantle. Rodan is easily considered as durable as Godzilla in the Showa series right? Rodan died in a Volcano, well actually in a small stream of lava. Heisei Godzilla slept inside a volcano for around 5 years. He had acid spit directly into his face and that didn't faze him. Also, I'm willing to bet 3 Plasma Grenades would out right decimate Showa Godzilla and just about any other Showa kaiju.

[Kiryu2012]

^This. I could easily see Heisei Godzilla dominating Showa Godzilla. And Showa Goji would easily be taken out by the Plasma Grenade.

[Living Corpse]

^This. I could easily see Heisei Godzilla dominating Showa Godzilla. And Showa Goji would easily be taken out by the Plasma Grenade.

Um, no. Heisei Godzilla would win but Showa Godzilla is still gonna give him hell. This is the same dude who picks up and throws Zone Fighter monsters who have a mass of 80,000 tons. Heisei Godzilla has a mass of 60,000 tons, so Showa is still gonna be throwing him around before he dies.

But I do agree with the PG killing him in a few hits.

[Kaiju-King42]

The plasma gernade kills most things without insane regeneration in a few hits.

[Kiryu2012]

tell that to Rodan, who could survive a point-blank PG. Yeah it blew open his chest and KOed him for awhile, but it didn't kill him instantly. One would give Rodan credit on his part for that. And yeah, I do agree that Showa Godzilla ould give Heisei hell. Now that I think about it, I think Showa Goji could take on some of the Heisei kaiju.