Monster Discussion: Kiryu

[Mini-Godzilla]

He's Godzilla In Frame Only.

[edgaguirus]

He's Godzilla In Frame Only.

Does this mean we can start calling him GIFO?

[NSZ]

He's Godzilla In Frame Only.

Does this mean we can start calling him GIFO?

Ehhh, It'd be more funnier if we managed to turn that 'I' into a 'T'... Oo, Oo! I know! Godzilla Turned Fragile Object!!

Anyway, I'm okay with Kiryu. Even if he had his limitations.

[Mini-Godzilla]

Does this mean we can start calling him GIFO?

How fast do you think that we could get the term "GIFO" spread across the fanbase?

I say we make T-shirts for the next convention.

[Goji]

Why the hell do people let a monster's power dictate whether they like them or not? That's ridiculous.

Because that's how some people are.

Yeah, more like you, and a small handful of others who like to treat these films like role playing games for some reason. GxG would probably be one of them as well.


Kiryu was a much better version of Mechagodzilla than the boring Heisei incarnation. The connection to G 54' is a nice touch, and makes him stand out when compared to the other two MG's in the series. I still long for an evil Mechagodzilla myself, but Kiryu was definitely an improvement over the Heisei MG in almost every possible way (IMO).

[Showa Gyaos]

A lamely portrayed Mechagodzilla ripoff who frequently shuts down, and seems to be the most fragile of the three incarnations. I don't like him.

[Legion1979]

A lamely portrayed Mechagodzilla ripoff who frequently shuts down...

How is he a ripoff if Toho created him?

[Showa Gyaos]

A lamely portrayed Mechagodzilla ripoff who frequently shuts down...

How is he a ripoff if Toho created him?

Doesn't matter. I still don't like him.

[Goji]

A lamely portrayed Mechagodzilla ripoff who frequently shuts down...

How is he a ripoff if Toho created him?

Doesn't matter. I still don't like him.

Except for the part where it made you look like an idiot.

There was nothing "lame" about the portrayal of Mechagodzilla in these films.

[Showa Gyaos]

Except for the part where it made you look like an idiot.

There was nothing "lame" about the portrayal of Mechagodzilla in these films.

Oh God, and I thought I wouldn't see a flame war today after hours of forum-surfing.

Need a reason? Okay: Kiryu's predecessors were powerful foes for their time. However, both Godzillas were far from what people believed to be a "weak" incarnation. KIryu Saga Godzilla was weak. He would often reel back in pain, and would try to flee from his opponents when hurt; not to mention, he was running from two bugs that were very smaller than he. What this has to do with Kiryu's lameness is that they needed to dumb Godzilla down for the frail cyborg. This is why I found the Kiryu Saga to be the two most boring movies of the Millennium series.

[KiryuFreak]

Kiryu Saga Godzilla wasn't running away from the Mothra laravas, did you not see him blasting them? And from the looks of it, Kiryu had just saved one larva when he got repaired, Godzilla was about to blast that larva open.

[Goji]

Godzilla isn't "dumbed down" at all. That's just the way you're perceiving it. Maybe he's in pain in such scenes because he *gasp!!* IS capable of feeling pain, like most living creatures. He's an animal. Animals are living creatures. Living creatures of capable of feeling pain. Do you need me to spell it out for you anymore?

Kiryu's arsenal obviously hurt Godzilla, just like the previous incarnations....so In the long run, what exactly are you even complaining about anyway?

[Arrow]

The problem with Godzilla in this movie isn't that he's "dumbed down", it's that he's just... there. He exists for no purpose but to provide the film with some kind of conflict. Which in and of itself isn't a bad thing (Godzilla isn't really characterized in Mothra vs. Godzilla either), but there's very little in the movie to make up for that. Same as the Godzilla in half the Heisei series and most of the Millennium series.

On-topic:

Kiryu is honestly my favorite Mechagodzilla design out there. One thing the films did provide were some cool re-designs (I don't get the hate of Kiryu Godzilla's design. I prefer it to G2K/GXM Godzilla easily). I like the sleek, modernized effect. Pulled off far better than the oversized Heisei Mechagodzilla.

[Showa Gyaos]

Godzilla isn't "dumbed down" at all. That's just the way you're perceiving it. Maybe he's in pain in such scenes because he *gasp!!* IS capable of feeling pain, like most living creatures. He's an animal. Animals are living creatures. Living creatures of capable of feeling pain. Do you need me to spell it out for you anymore?

Kiryu's arsenal obviously hurt Godzilla, just like the previous incarnations....so In the long run, what exactly are you even complaining about anyway?

I wasn't complaining to begin with. I just think Kiryu isn't as strong as people perceive.

[Goji]

Godzilla isn't "dumbed down" at all. That's just the way you're perceiving it. Maybe he's in pain in such scenes because he *gasp!!* IS capable of feeling pain, like most living creatures. He's an animal. Animals are living creatures. Living creatures of capable of feeling pain. Do you need me to spell it out for you anymore?

Kiryu's arsenal obviously hurt Godzilla, just like the previous incarnations....so In the long run, what exactly are you even complaining about anyway?

I wasn't complaining to begin with. I just think Kiryu isn't as strong as people perceive.

Really? You sure did sound like you were in you're bitch fest on the last page. You're "reasons" didn't even make sense. Just putting that out there.

[Gorosaurus Rex]

Kiryu is honestly one of my favorite incarnations of Mechagodzilla. If his films werent so mediocre he would probably be one of my favorite monsters.

[Ethan]

Eh I prefer the Showa version, given that Mechagodzilla should be an evil alien monster. Kiryu is very cool however, in many ways because of its connection to Akane and Godzilla. I'd take him everyday over the dull Heisei version.

[XxComablack1937xX]

Showa Version is the best, Theme Music owned an it reminded me of a Crocodile in the sense that it always looked like it was smiling like it knew something you didn't Lol..

But Kiryu the design was pretty cool, the origin behind the creation was a much different take so ill credit there an when it goes on a rampage it's pretty awesome. It's a shame the rest of the movie wasn't as good it's character over-all.

[Primevalgodzilla V2]

Kiryu is meh to me. His arsenal seems pretty uninteresting. Give me Heisei Mechagodzilla instead.

Why the hell do people let a monster's power dictate whether they like them or not? That's ridiculous.

Well....

....so you'd rather have a King Ghidorah that's gets owned by everything he fights...

........or a Godzilla that gets chased away by conventional weaponry...

.......or, in Kiryu's case, a fairly weak, easily damaged critter unlike the dominating, unstoppable force he was in the previous 2 incarnations.

[Arrow]

As long as the movie is good, the monster has a good design, personality, and is executed well, then I don't see what difference it makes. Baragon is popular in Japan without having to be some supersized, overpowered monster. And I'd say that the '54 Godzilla is superior to Kiryu Godzilla despite being the (seemingly) weaker incarnation - in terms of design, execution, and movie quality.

Heisei Mechagodzilla is so bland to me - he was just another over-sized superweapon for G-Force to shoot Godzilla with. Showa Mechagodzilla is just another alien monster sent down to conquer the Earth, but what he lacked in back-story he made up for with a wicked design, execution, and the movies he starred in are far superior. Kiryu at least had an interesting background, a connection to the original Godzilla, and something else to do even when Godzilla wasn't around. His movies may be lackluster, but the robot itself is an interesting concept and is executed quite well.