Godzilla and Extraterestrials

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Godzilla and Extraterestrials

Postby tenup » Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:18 am

With a destructive force like Godzilla trashing japanese cities, its only logical that travelers from other worlds/dimensions take notice and get involved. Although the space invaders are often our enemy, it somewhat gets me how Godzilla tends to aid us to defeat them every time. One would think either the ETs would aid the humans to rid the menacing King of Monsters, or their motive to oppose us would include using Godzilla to wreck as much havoc as monsterly possible to utilize the invasion. Why would man and monster coexist? It doesn't make much logical sense especially from what Godzilla can do to mankind.

My question is, why whenever there's a alien menace involved in a Godzilla film, Godzilla himself automatically becomes "the good guy"? If these alien beings were so smart they would know more about Godzilla than we do and use the advantage of that knowledge against us wouldn't you think? Instead they introduce these aliens who have the tendency to wipe out mankind in whole using a "MechaGodzilla"? Dammit! You went out of your way to build a mechanical duplicate of Godzilla as if Godzilla himself is not good enough for the job? I would think aliens were smarter than this. This could be the very reason why Toho later decided that MG would be built by humans instead. If an Alien race wanted to exterminate us, and Godzilla just so happens to be in the middle of it, I would doubt that they would unleash one of their monsters to attempt to destroy him. Btw the ETs in Godzilla films never really have monster help assistance, rather they are either controlled by them or they are just unleashed upon our world. So what exactly do these aliens want to achieve? If they have the ability to control monster behavior then why waste time sending monsters to fight off Godzilla? And if they for some reason don't have the ability to control Godzilla (lack of M Base DNA possibly) then why not just let him do the job for them?

In conclusion I believe Toho is biased toward the intelligence of Extraterrestrial entities.
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Re: Godzilla and Extraterestrials

Postby Rody » Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:25 am

To be fair, the Xillians & Killaks did take advantage of the destructive power of Godzilla, not to mention other Earth kaiju.
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Re: Godzilla and Extraterestrials

Postby Godzillabrawler » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:07 pm

I've always thought that ETs underestimate Godzilla. They believe themselves to be superior to the human race, so by extension, they believe their monsters are better than ours.

Also, as to why Godzilla helps us, I think it's pretty simple. Godzilla hates mankind, but the Earth is his territory, and ours by extension. If the aliens want to wreck the world, Godzilla wants them gone. If someone is going to remind the humans of their mistakes, he's going to do it.
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Re: Godzilla and Extraterestrials

Postby JAGzilla » Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:58 pm

One thing to remember is that it isn't always the same group of aliens invading, and they have used a decent variety of tactics. For example:

Xilliens (IoAM): Captured King Ghidorah, but had monitored his first attack on Earth and knew that Godzilla and Rodan could overpower him. So they captured Godzilla and Rodan as well, and used all three monsters to invade Earth, supported by their warships. This was a fairly well-researched plan, and may well have succeeded if the inventor dude hadn't accidentally discovered their weakness to sound.

Killaks (DAM): Haven't seen this movie in years and don't remember it well, but using ten of Earth's monsters to attack certainly seems like a good base concept.

Nebulans (GvsG): Attempted to use Ghidorah and Gigan, supported by Godzilla Tower, to overpower G and Anguirus. If memory serves, this would've worked if the human characters hadn't sabotaged the Tower at the last minute.

Simeons (GvsMG): Built an extremely powerful anti-kaiju weapon, Mechagodzilla, to wipe out G and any other monsters that got in its way. Would likely have worked if Godzilla hadn't suddenly turned into freaking Magneto. And, of course, the Simeons had no way to plan for that, and can't be blamed for losing to it.

Simeons (ToMG): Used Mechagodzilla again, supported by Titanosaurus. Came close to working, but was sabotaged by human characters.

So really, it seems like the aliens underestimate humanity more than Godzilla. In all but one of those cases, it was our intervention that saved Godzilla. And we are a formidable enemy fighting on our home turf, while they're thousands of lightyears from home. Combine that with some understandable arrogance on their part, due to the technology difference, and our beating them isn't hardto beleive.
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Re: Godzilla and Extraterestrials

Postby Living Corpse » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:03 pm

Ishiro Honda and a few others were very interested in space so it was only natural that aliens and space monsters would show up a lot in the older films.
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Re: Godzilla and Extraterestrials

Postby BigBaragon » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:30 pm

What were the ones that sort of 'dissolved' into cheap Planet of the Apes masks? ....They scared me to death when I was small...
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Re: Godzilla and Extraterestrials

Postby Rody » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:11 pm

Those were the black hole aliens, aka Simeons, from the Mechagodzilla dualogy. Come to think of it, they kind of scared me as a kid too.
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Re: Godzilla and Extraterestrials

Postby edgaguirus » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:45 pm

The Xillians and Killaks were genius in using our own monsters against us. But they underestimated humanity, and humans were able to exploit the alien's weaknesses to achieve victory.

The Nebulans actually wanted Godzilla involved because they saw him as a possible obstacle. It was a smart idea to try and take him out, but once again they were outsmarted by humanity.

The Simeons knew Godzilla was a powerful monster, so they made a monster they believed would be more powerful. And MG was a powerful foe. The robot held off two monsters at the same time, and then only lost due to a completely unexpected turn of events.

The Godzilla films show aliens as respectable and sinister foes, but show them as much like us in the fact that we all have flaws. They're arrogant, obsessed with technology, or whatever else.
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Re: Godzilla and Extraterestrials

Postby Mitchal » Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:00 pm

The dead chick from Venus (or Mars) in GTTHM wasn't evil.

However, she and her entire race were dead, so I suppose there are no good living alien species.
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Re: Godzilla and Extraterestrials

Postby Living Corpse » Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:18 pm

Ghost aliens...or genetic memory of dead aliens. Count on Toho to not only make it work but make you buy it. Somehow.
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Re: Godzilla and Extraterestrials

Postby edgaguirus » Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:53 pm

When dealing with aliens, you can never know what to expect, and genetic memory is a believeable trait.
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Re: Godzilla and Extraterestrials

Postby Megalon-5 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 4:33 am

Mitchal wrote: I suppose there are no good living alien species.


What about Zone Fighter and his family? :P . Granted, there's only a couple of them, but they're still living.
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Re: Godzilla and Extraterestrials

Postby GodGan » Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:00 am

we had nuclear wars... and we paid the price.
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