Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:05 pm

Was Raids again a Showa era movie? I know they were on target in that one! They blasted the heck out of ol' Gigantis and it just mopped the floor with them. A good American comparison would be the Black Scorpion. The movie is practically all military shooting Scorpions with big guns, to very little effect.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:34 pm

CatfaceFourtoes wrote:Was Raids again a Showa era movie?



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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:05 pm

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RedZillaKing wrote:From a logical standpoint a lot of this shit doesn't make sense, lol.


Exactly why I like to insist that kaiju are not oversized animals.


It's my understanding that monsters like Godzilla are treated more like a natural disaster in Japan's films hence why missiles usually don't do jack squat cause you know, you can't stop a hurricane or earthquake or tidal wave by shooting it. Monsters in American films tend to be treated as just oversized animals which lad to one of the many problems in Tri-Stars Godzilla. Mainly being harmed and ultimately killed by missiles.


Exactly. This is what really defines a kaiju for me. They are living natural disatsers. If you think about it, they're almost like gods! After all, ancient people did often attribute the cause of natural disastser to their god being argy and unleashing his wrath upon the people. Kaiju seem to fil this role too. Godzilla represents nuclear bombs, but could Rodan almost be like a living hurricane? Could King Ghidorah be a living personification of war?
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:22 pm

Godzilla and Rodan defiantly represent something, I can't remember what Rodan represents though. I don't think any other kaiju represent anything.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby miguelnuva » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:31 pm

PopInPicsPresents wrote:Godzilla and Rodan defiantly represent something, I can't remember what Rodan represents though. I don't think any other kaiju represent anything.


Godzilla= Nuclear weapons

Rodan= I don't know may Hurricane or Tornado

Ghidorah= end of the world
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:37 pm

^ That just reminded me. Isn't 2012 the year of the dragon?


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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Living Corpse » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:02 pm

Kaiju-King42 wrote: Godzilla represents nuclear bombs, but could Rodan almost be like a living hurricane? Could King Ghidorah be a living personification of war?


Originally Godzilla represented just the nuclear bombs but films like ROG, GvB, and GMK have over the years also make him represent war and man's mistakes in general.

Ghidorah is basically the personification of insanity and as someone else said "the end of life", death.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Gyaos » Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:14 pm

How a golden three headed dragon represents death and the end of life is beyond me. If anything, Death Ghidorah (Or Desghidorah) deserves that title since he actually looks like some kind of demon or bringer of destruction.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Captain Aktion » Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:01 pm

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Kaiju-King42 wrote: Godzilla represents nuclear bombs, but could Rodan almost be like a living hurricane? Could King Ghidorah be a living personification of war?


Originally Godzilla represented just the nuclear bombs but films like ROG, GvB, and GMK have over the years also make him represent war and man's mistakes in general.


While I more or less agree, I would like to say that I don't think the original Gojira was meant to simply evoke the nuclear bombardment. The dragon represents birth and death in the eastern mythos. Godzilla is, at heart, a dragon, inducing death and birth. Death of the old ways and a birth of the new world. I could argue that Gojira is the birth and death of a modern Japan, all hinging on a horrible, deadly, nuclear bomb...
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Living Corpse » Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:39 am

Gyaos wrote:How a golden three headed dragon represents death and the end of life is beyond me. If anything, Death Ghidorah (Or Desghidorah) deserves that title since he actually looks like some kind of demon or bringer of destruction.


To be fair Showa King Ghidorah DID destroy several worlds so to those worlds he was death and the end of life. But that could easily be said of any creature with the potential to become a planet killer level monster like Hedorah or Destoryah.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:53 am

I think you're over analyzing just a bit ;)

I'm sure if the kaiju represented anything Toho would have said so.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Living Corpse » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:05 am

PopInPicsPresents wrote:I think you're over analyzing just a bit ;)

I'm sure if the kaiju represented anything Toho would have said so.


*Cough* Gojira, Biollante *Cough*
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Gyaos » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:57 am

Wait I understand Gojira, but what does Biollante represent O.o
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:19 am

Every review I read of the movie claims that Biollante represents the folly of genetic engineering and or tampering, like in a Jurassic Park sense.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Primevalgodzilla V2 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:53 pm

To be fair Showa King Ghidorah DID destroy several worlds so to those worlds he was death and the end of life. But that could easily be said of any creature with the potential to become a planet killer level monster like Hedorah or Destoryah.


But King Ghidorah has actually done it, has a huge reputation for doing so, and in G fan circles is the quintessential planet killer. Heodrah and Destoroyah are just exceptionally powerful monsters, even if both do represent something as well.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Living Corpse » Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:14 am

CatfaceFourtoes wrote:Every review I read of the movie claims that Biollante represents the folly of genetic engineering and or tampering, like in a Jurassic Park sense.


This.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:46 am

Primevalgodzilla V2 wrote:
To be fair Showa King Ghidorah DID destroy several worlds so to those worlds he was death and the end of life. But that could easily be said of any creature with the potential to become a planet killer level monster like Hedorah or Destoryah.


But King Ghidorah has actually done it, has a huge reputation for doing so, and in G fan circles is the quintessential planet killer. Heodrah and Destoroyah are just exceptionally powerful monsters, even if both do represent something as well.


Except Showa Ghidorah is kind of a puss. He's a coward, there's no getting around it. People always give Gigan a hard time about it even though, Ghidora's track record is much worse, and his beatings weren't really as bad as Gigan's. His fighting skills are lacking as well.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Living Corpse » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:59 am

PopInPicsPresents wrote:
Primevalgodzilla V2 wrote:
To be fair Showa King Ghidorah DID destroy several worlds so to those worlds he was death and the end of life. But that could easily be said of any creature with the potential to become a planet killer level monster like Hedorah or Destoryah.


But King Ghidorah has actually done it, has a huge reputation for doing so, and in G fan circles is the quintessential planet killer. Heodrah and Destoroyah are just exceptionally powerful monsters, even if both do represent something as well.


Except Showa Ghidorah is kind of a puss. He's a coward, there's no getting around it. People always give Gigan a hard time about it even though, Ghidora's track record is much worse, and his beatings weren't really as bad as Gigan's. His fighting skills are lacking as well.


It always takes two monsters to repel Showa King Ghidorah though. The films make it clear that in a one on one match he could kill Godzilla or Rodan, but he always ends up fighting them together.

Yeah I think they sort of mishandled Ghidorah's badassness in the Showa flicks.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:18 am

Showa Ghidorah has never taken a serious beating. At all. The worst beating he received was in "Gigan", and by Showa standards it's really not that much. The later Showa Godzilla could have handled Ghidorah just fine.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby miguelnuva » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:09 pm

PopInPicsPresents wrote:Showa Ghidorah has never taken a serious beating. At all. The worst beating he received was in "Gigan", and by Showa standards it's really not that much. The later Showa Godzilla could have handled Ghidorah just fine.


Just like he did in Gigan.
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