Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:43 pm

Apparently it survived the ordeal and fought alongside Godzilla and the Monster Island Crew in 1999.


...No, it died at the end of SoG. Kumonga isn't the only monster magically resurrected for DAM. Just look at Baragon, Manda, Anguirus, Gorosaurus and Varan. They all died at in their original appearances, yet are there in DAM. I think it's safe to assume that these are either entirely different creatures, or Toho magically revived them just to put them in the film.

Seriously, if being set on fire didn't kill Kumonga, then being buried in god knows how much snow would have done the job.

Kumunga effortlessly tackled Godzilla to the ground


...So what? It's not like that'll help out here at all. King Ghidorah weighs way more than Godzilla, so I highly doubt that tackling King Ghidorah would do anything. On top of that, tackling King Ghidorah is just an incredibly stupid idea unless you have regeneration of some kind. Kumonga is screwed if it decides to tackle King Ghidorah.

It also has great aim with its stinger and can wrap up prey in seconds with its webbing.


The stinger only comes into play when it's target is incredibly close, which will not happen in this fight. As for the webbing being able to "wrap up prey in seconds"...um...no. Stupid and small creatures, sure. But giant-ass space dragons that can shot three gravity bolts at once, hell no. It would take a long time for Kumonga's webs to start slowing down King Ghidorah.

Also he spams his Gravity Beams, although more often then not they miss outright.


King Ghidorah almost always hits his target in GTTHM, IotAM and DAM. King Ghidorah just fires wildly when he doesn't have any particular target.

And here's the kicker, the one flaw that seals his fate, when getting shot with webbing Ghidorah becomes completely helpless. When Mothra began spraying the webbing at Ghidorah all it could do was flail helplessly until Godzilla threw it down the mountain.


...You do realize that the only reason Ghidorah was helpless, was because Godzilla was holding Ghidorah back, and Mothra was hidden by Rodan? As in, he was in a spot where he couldn't stop the source of the webbing, because it was hidden from him and there was another monster holding him by his tails.

Too bad that won't be the case here. There is nothing in this fight that can hold Ghidorah back like Godzilla did in GTTHM, and there's no way that Kumonga can be hidden from Ghidorah. Kumonga is pretty damn big (at least in width), so that thing ain't hiding.

Kumunga likes to spam its webbing and that will deter Ghidorah.


The only thing that Kumgona's webbing will do is piss off Ghidorah, and cause a rain of Gravity Bolts the likes of which he has never seen.

Ghidorah will become ensnared in Kumunga's webbing and flail helplessly like it did in GTTHM.


...That would only happen if Ghidorah would just stood there like an idiot and let Kumonga wrap him up in webs. Ghidorah's going to fight back, and Kumonga will be lucky if he gets even a very thin layer of web on Ghidorah.

Also, you're given Kumonga way too much credit in this, like he'll have Ghidorah all wrapped up in a minute. Kumonga's webs are not that fast!

Rodan will act as a distraction while Kumunga sprays its webbing.


...Rodan may be able to stale Ghidorah for a little bit, but not so much to the point where Ghidorah is going to just forget about all the webs being fired at him, just to attack Rodan. Once the webbing starts to hit, Ghidorah's going to forget all about Rodan and destroy the source of the webbing.

If it comes down to it Kumunga will go in for melee. It is also very possible for the giant spider to play dead and surprise the space demon.


...If Kumonga goes for melee, it's going to be destroyed before it even has a chance to get close to Ghidorah.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby miguelnuva » Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:03 pm

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
Apparently it survived the ordeal and fought alongside Godzilla and the Monster Island Crew in 1999.


...No, it died at the end of SoG. Kumonga isn't the only monster magically resurrected for DAM. Just look at Baragon, Manda, Anguirus, Gorosaurus and Varan. They all died at in their original appearances, yet are there in DAM. I think it's safe to assume that these are either entirely different creatures, or Toho magically revived them just to put them in the film.



Except we have a confirmed new

Angurius
Baragon, Gorosaursus and Varan

Kumonga and Manda are the originals.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Captain Aktion » Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:16 pm

^Confirmed...? I'm not necessarily doubting you, but confirmed where?
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby miguelnuva » Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:20 pm

Captain Aktion wrote:^Confirmed...? I'm not necessarily doubting you, but confirmed where?


From the official Bio on the tohokingdom main website.

And looks like Gorosaurus survived and just grew to match Godzilla in height.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:02 pm

miguelnuva wrote:
GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
Apparently it survived the ordeal and fought alongside Godzilla and the Monster Island Crew in 1999.


...No, it died at the end of SoG. Kumonga isn't the only monster magically resurrected for DAM. Just look at Baragon, Manda, Anguirus, Gorosaurus and Varan. They all died at in their original appearances, yet are there in DAM. I think it's safe to assume that these are either entirely different creatures, or Toho magically revived them just to put them in the film.



Except we have a confirmed new

Angurius
Baragon, Gorosaursus and Varan

Kumonga and Manda are the originals.


I gotta agree with CG, when and where were these confirmed? Because I haven't heard of them.

Also, there is no freakin' way that the Manda in Atragon is the same Manda in DAM. Because the one in Atragon is kinda...well...dead. Same with Kumonga. I don't care what the TK Bios say, because at this point, they're contradicting what happened in the films. Someone is wrong here: The bios or the movies. I'm going with the bios.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Living Corpse » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:07 pm

They are all new. Not the same ones. The Varan and Baragon that showed up in DAM are even smaller then the first ones of their kind to show up, it even says they are smaller in their bios.

http://www.tohokingdom.com/kaiju/varan.htm#68

http://www.tohokingdom.com/kaiju/baragon_showa.htm#68

And it's not like this hasn't happened before, the first time Rodan showed up there were two of them.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby miguelnuva » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:53 pm

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
miguelnuva wrote:
Apparently it survived the ordeal and fought alongside Godzilla and the Monster Island Crew in 1999.


...No, it died at the end of SoG. Kumonga isn't the only monster magically resurrected for DAM. Just look at Baragon, Manda, Anguirus, Gorosaurus and Varan. They all died at in their original appearances, yet are there in DAM. I think it's safe to assume that these are either entirely different creatures, or Toho magically revived them just to put them in the film.



Except we have a confirmed new

Angurius
Baragon, Gorosaursus and Varan

Kumonga and Manda are the originals.


I gotta agree with CG, when and where were these confirmed? Because I haven't heard of them.

Also, there is no freakin' way that the Manda in Atragon is the same Manda in DAM. Because the one in Atragon is kinda...well...dead. Same with Kumonga. I don't care what the TK Bios say, because at this point, they're contradicting what happened in the films. Someone is wrong here: The bios or the movies. I'm going with the bios.[/quote]


Their not contradicting their rectoning so Manda and Kumonga survived their encounters.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:04 am

Their not contradicting their rectoning so Manda and Kumonga survived their encounters.


...Except that's not skreeonk possible! In Atragon, Manda was frozen to Absolute Zero and then broken apart like dropping an ice sculpture! In Son Of Godzilla, Kumonga was set on fire, which is his weakness BTW, burned alive, and then buried in god knows how much snow! They're both dead. They're not coming back from that. Those creatures cannot be brought back to life in any shape or form.

Manda and Kumonga did not survive their encounters! The Manda and Kumonga in DAM are entirely different creatures from their original ones.

As I said, either the Toho Kingdom bios are wrong, or the movies are wrong. Both can't be right in this case.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby miguelnuva » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:10 am

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
Their not contradicting their rectoning so Manda and Kumonga survived their encounters.


...Except that's not skreeonk possible! In Atragon, Manda was frozen to Absolute Zero and then broken apart like dropping an ice sculpture! In Son Of Godzilla, Kumonga was set on fire, which is his weakness BTW, burned alive, and then buried in god knows how much snow! They're both dead. They're not coming back from that. Those creatures cannot be brought back to life in any shape or form.

Manda and Kumonga did not survive their encounters! The Manda and Kumonga in DAM are entirely different creatures from their original ones.


Okay I have no argument for Manda but it could be possible that the snow put the fire out on Kumonga and then he was just frozen like Godzilla and Minya.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:13 am

miguelnuva wrote:
GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
Their not contradicting their rectoning so Manda and Kumonga survived their encounters.


...Except that's not skreeonk possible! In Atragon, Manda was frozen to Absolute Zero and then broken apart like dropping an ice sculpture! In Son Of Godzilla, Kumonga was set on fire, which is his weakness BTW, burned alive, and then buried in god knows how much snow! They're both dead. They're not coming back from that. Those creatures cannot be brought back to life in any shape or form.

Manda and Kumonga did not survive their encounters! The Manda and Kumonga in DAM are entirely different creatures from their original ones.


Okay I have no argument for Manda but it could be possible that the snow put the fire out on Kumonga and then he was just frozen like Godzilla and Minya.


...Except that insects don't work like that! Being frozen under so much snow would only make things worse. Also, the snow still wouldn't have healed all the goddamn damage that being set on fire would have caused. If the snow didn't kill Kumonga, his inflicted wounds would have killed him.

Either way, Kumonga is dead. And the Kumonga in DAM is not the same one.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby miguelnuva » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:23 am

miguelnuva wrote:
GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
Their not contradicting their rectoning so Manda and Kumonga survived their encounters.


...Except that's not skreeonk possible! In Atragon, Manda was frozen to Absolute Zero and then broken apart like dropping an ice sculpture! In Son Of Godzilla, Kumonga was set on fire, which is his weakness BTW, burned alive, and then buried in god knows how much snow! They're both dead. They're not coming back from that. Those creatures cannot be brought back to life in any shape or form.

Manda and Kumonga did not survive their encounters! The Manda and Kumonga in DAM are entirely different creatures from their original ones.


Okay I have no argument for Manda but it could be possible that the snow put the fire out on Kumonga and then he was just frozen like Godzilla and Minya.


...Except that insects don't work like that! Being frozen under so much snow would only make things worse. Also, the snow still wouldn't have healed all the goddamn damage that being set on fire would have caused. If the snow didn't kill Kumonga, his inflicted wounds would have killed him.

Either way, Kumonga is dead. And the Kumonga in DAM is not the same one.[/quote]

Due it's a fictional kaiju in a fictional world just because a real spider would be killed like that we have no idea if Kumonga could come back from that. According to the bio on the tohokingdom website he survived.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:34 am

Due it's a fictional kaiju in a fictional world just because a real spider would be killed like that we have no idea if Kumonga could come back from that. According to the bio on the tohokingdom website he survived.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaA7vuFTWwU

Have you not been paying attention to what I've been saying at all? Like I said in the last goddamn post, Kumonga died one of two ways: Either being frozen to death, or due to the injuries he sustained in his fight with Godzilla and Minya. Either way, he's dead! I don't give a damn if he's a fictional kaiju or not, he's still a skreeonk spider that's weak to fire! Extreme cold kills spiders. Have lots and lots of snow dumped on spiders kills them. Being set on fire kills spiders, especially spiders that are suppose to be weak to it.

There is no two-ways around this. Kumonga died at the end of Son Of Godzilla! Anyone who believes that he survived is in a state of denial. End of story!
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby miguelnuva » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:44 am

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
Due it's a fictional kaiju in a fictional world just because a real spider would be killed like that we have no idea if Kumonga could come back from that. According to the bio on the tohokingdom website he survived.


...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaA7vuFTWwU

Have you not been paying attention to what I've been saying at all? Like I said in the last goddamn post, Kumonga died one of two ways: Either being frozen to death, or due to the injuries he sustained in his fight with Godzilla and Minya. Either way, he's dead! I don't give a damn if he's a fictional kaiju or not, he's still a skreeonk spider that's weak to fire! Extreme cold kills spiders. Have lots and lots of snow dumped on spiders kills them. Being set on fire kills spiders, especially spiders that are suppose to be weak to it.

There is no two-ways around this. Kumonga died at the end of Son Of Godzilla! Anyone who believes that he survived is in a state of denial. End of story!


Okay Kumonga's dead moving on.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby RedZillaKing » Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:44 am

Manda did not break apart. He was merely frozen. You seem to be mixing up Atragon and Final Wars. There's no proof that the first Manda died.

PiPP, I agree with a lot of your post. If Mothra could wrap up Ghidorah, why not Kumonga. Hell, at the end of GTTHM King Ghidorah was wrapped up while Just Goji was distracting him. Mothra was on Rodan's back shooting webbing and Rody was just hovering.

Besides, wouldn't it make sense for a caterpillars cocooning material to be weaker than a spider's webs?
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:25 am

I think Kumonga's webbing saves it from being burned alive by King Ghidorah. One weakness King Ghidorah has is a lack of appendages to remove the webbing being shot at it once its heads get entangled or tied up. King Ghidorah should have been able to use its gravity bolts to burn the webbing off in GTTHM, but it didn't, demonstrating the same weakness that Godzilla did in Godzilla vs Mothra when its mouth was sealed over by the webbing of the Mothra larvae. Only this time King Ghidorah would be facing a mutant bug with many appendages capable of melee attacks, and of course constant buzzing from Rodan.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:29 am

If Mothra could wrap up Ghidorah, why not Kumonga. Hell, at the end of GTTHM King Ghidorah was wrapped up while Just Goji was distracting him. Mothra was on Rodan's back shooting webbing and Rody was just hovering.


...Yeah, no. That wasn't how it worked. Godzilla didn't "distract" King Ghidorah, he held King Ghidorah back so he couldn't attack Rodan and Mothra. That's not a distraction, that's more of a holding the opponent back. Also, Mothra was just in a spot where King Ghidorah couldn't get to her without having to go through Rodan first. In other words, King Ghidorah couldn't touch Mothra. This was a system that worked very well in that film, and played to all three monsters strengths.

...The same cannot be said for this fight. There is nothing to hold King Ghidorah back in this fight like Godzilla did in GTTHM. Kumonga cannot hide himself like Mothra did. He'll be wide open to the slaughter as soon as he starts spraying that web or even thinks of getting close to Ghidorah.

That strategy worked in GTTHM, because there were three monsters that worked well off of one another. In this fight, you have two monsters that don't go well together, fighting an opponent that simply doesn't work in their favor.

Manda did not break apart. He was merely frozen. You seem to be mixing up Atragon and Final Wars. There's no proof that the first Manda died.


Whatever, I don't care if Manda broke apart or not. I haven't even seen Atragon. Either way, Manda was frozen to absolute zero. It's dead. Absolute Zero = Death to anything and everything.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:54 am

I think Kumonga and Rodan are not that bad of a team, one hits low while the other hits high. One has devastating speed and momentum on it's side when it is flying, the other has multiple limbs with which to fight and a breath weapon in the form of webbing that can retard other breath weapons, and ensare even the biggest of monsters. Compared to its wings, rodan's legs are relatively puny appendages, and Kumonga lacks the ability to fly. Both creatures can compensate for the other's weaknesses with their own strengths.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby RedZillaKing » Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:10 am

^That's great and all, but Ghidorah was obviously distracted. Why else wouldn't he blast the shit out of the two kaiju right in front of him? Or are you suggesting he somehow held the gravity beams back too?

As far as Manda being killed by being frozen there's definitely a chance that he wasn't. Real animals survive being frozen so is it really so far fetched that a kaiju would?

Nope. Since kaiju exist strictly in the realm of farfetched it isn't. There's no proof Manda died.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:33 am

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
...Yeah, no. That wasn't how it worked. Godzilla didn't "distract" King Ghidorah, he held King Ghidorah back so he couldn't attack Rodan and Mothra. That's not a distraction, that's more of a holding the opponent back. Also, Mothra was just in a spot where King Ghidorah couldn't get to her without having to go through Rodan first. In other words, King Ghidorah couldn't touch Mothra. This was a system that worked very well in that film, and played to all three monsters strengths.


Explain to me why Ghidorah didn't use the Gravity Beams here. Why not use his incredible aim to hit Mothra? Mothra was resting on Rodan's neck, Ghidorah defiantly saw her and defiantly could have hit her. Yet the space dragon just flailed its heads helplessly. It didn't even try to attack Rodan and Mothra. He couldn't walk forward, so what. That doesn't stop him from being able to use the Gravity Beams.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:13 am

I think Kumonga's eight legs and two pedipalps (sensory appendages) are more than a match for three necks. The real danger is the beams, it would be like charging a machine gun nest. The thing is though, if something were to suddenly strike King Ghidorah, it's aim and rate of fire would be disrupted. That is where Rodan would come in, soaking up fire and preventing King Ghidorah from turning the full force of its beams on Kumonga, which would allow the spider an opening to charge and/ or fire its webs.
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