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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:31 am

Can Ghidorah hit Kumonga he usually needs time to set up a shot against a small opponent. Also that ram from Rodan and web in his face might be enough to make Ghidorah leave.


*facepalm*

Oh...my...god. Seriously?

Since when is Kumonga small? King Ghidorah is not going to have a hard time hitting Kumonga. At all. Considering how much Ghidorah fires those damn things, and seeing how big Kumonga is, Kumonga is damn easy target.

And the rams and webbing aren't going to do a DAMN thing! It took a long ass time and hard effort to make Ghidorah retreat. Time and effort that Kumonga and Rodan don't have. Rodan doesn't ram like that, and Kumonga will be lucky if he gets even a tiny amount of webbing down.

Honestly, I really shouldn't have to spell this out for everyone! This is so stupid.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby miguelnuva » Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:33 am

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
Can Ghidorah hit Kumonga he usually needs time to set up a shot against a small opponent. Also that ram from Rodan and web in his face might be enough to make Ghidorah leave.


*facepalm*

Oh...my...god. Seriously?

Since when is Kumonga small? King Ghidorah is not going to have a hard time hitting Kumonga. [b]At all[/i]. Considering how much Ghidorah fires those damn things, and seeing how big Kumonga is, Kumonga is damn easy target.

And the rams and webbing aren't going to do a DAMN thing! It took a long ass time and hard effort to make Ghidorah retreat. Time and effort that Kumonga and Rodan don't have. Rodan doesn't ram like that, and Kumonga will be lucky if he gets even a tiny amount of webbing down.

Honestly, I really shouldn't have to spell this out for everyone! This is so stupid.


When I say small I mean on the ground Ghidorah hit Mothra once and Angurius not at all when he did have previous time to sit and aim at them.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:37 am

miguelnuva wrote:
GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
Can Ghidorah hit Kumonga he usually needs time to set up a shot against a small opponent. Also that ram from Rodan and web in his face might be enough to make Ghidorah leave.


*facepalm*

Oh...my...god. Seriously?

Since when is Kumonga small? King Ghidorah is not going to have a hard time hitting Kumonga. At all. Considering how much Ghidorah fires those damn things, and seeing how big Kumonga is, Kumonga is damn easy target.

And the rams and webbing aren't going to do a DAMN thing! It took a long ass time and hard effort to make Ghidorah retreat. Time and effort that Kumonga and Rodan don't have. Rodan doesn't ram like that, and Kumonga will be lucky if he gets even a tiny amount of webbing down.

Honestly, I really shouldn't have to spell this out for everyone! This is so stupid.


When I say small I mean on the ground Ghidorah hit Mothra once and Angurius not at all when he did have previous time to sit and aim at them.


What the skreeonk are you talking about? In GTTHM, Ghidorah hit Mothra at least three times. Ghidorah's aim isn't the greatest, but considering how often he fires it, and you know, having skreeonk three of them, means that if you're in Ghidorah's sight, you're screwed. Kumonga will only take so many of those before bursting into flames.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Captain Aktion » Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:45 am

Kaiju-King42 wrote:That's because they don't make big explosions. However, I did notice during Ghidorah's attack on Tokyo in GTTHM, that many times when he hit a building with his beams, the building would explode outward... without a visible fireball like when most beams explode things. Some buildings would only explode partially outward, before collapsing in on themselves.

A theory of mine (mind you, this is just a theory), is that Ghidorah's gravity beams utilize gravity as a weapon so that it pushes outwards. I believe that it kind of works like a reverse black hole, one that pushes outwards instead of pulling objects in, hence why the beams seemed to make the buildings it struck "explode" without any fireballs accompanying it. It could also be the reason why Ghidorah's beams do not look all that impressive when fired at the ground, because all it would really be doing is push the earth it strikes outwards. The reason why a lot of dust seems to spray out of the ground when the beam strikes. On kaiju armor, the beam's effect is less dramatic, but it's still enough to make even Godzilla back off. And seeing as it's raw gravitational force pushing his hide apart at the points that the beam strikes, it's not hard to see why he backed off.

So, just because a beam doesn't produce a whole lot of explosions, doesn't mean they're weak.


That's actually how I always thought they worked, especially after I read them referred to as "gravity beams".
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby miguelnuva » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:39 am

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
miguelnuva wrote:



Since when is Kumonga small? King Ghidorah is not going to have a hard time hitting Kumonga. At all. Considering how much Ghidorah fires those damn things, and seeing how big Kumonga is, Kumonga is damn easy target.

And the rams and webbing aren't going to do a DAMN thing! It took a long ass time and hard effort to make Ghidorah retreat. Time and effort that Kumonga and Rodan don't have. Rodan doesn't ram like that, and Kumonga will be lucky if he gets even a tiny amount of webbing down.

Honestly, I really shouldn't have to spell this out for everyone! This is so stupid.


When I say small I mean on the ground Ghidorah hit Mothra once and Angurius not at all when he did have previous time to sit and aim at them.[/quote]

What the skreeonk are you talking about? In GTTHM, Ghidorah hit Mothra at least three times. Ghidorah's aim isn't the greatest, but considering how often he fires it, and you know, having skreeonk three of them, means that if you're in Ghidorah's sight, you're screwed. Kumonga will only take so many of those before bursting into flames.[/quote]

Two of the times he hit Mothra he had time to aim.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:15 am

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
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GotengoXGodzilla wrote:King Ghidorah takes this. It didn't take many atomic rays to bring down Kumonga, so enough Gravity Bolts


Kumunga shrugged off a few Atomic Rays, it took 2 simultaneous rays to put it down, that's quite the feat :? And the Gravity Beams aren't at all strong, they just hurt. It'll take A LOT of constant Gravity Beams to put down the spider. And once Ghidorah takes enough of a beating he'll retreat.


After about four atomic rays or so, Kumonga started to slow down. Considering how much King Ghidorah spams the Gravity Bolts, it won't take long to reach an equivalent of four atomic rays.


Maybe he slowed down because you know, it was skreeonk snowing :? Insects tend not to thrive well in the cold, especially when they're a tropical species..
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby RedZillaKing » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:01 am

Hmmm.... Ghidorah probably. While Rodan's attacks are going to hurt, I don't think he'll be able to take him down in his own. Kumonga's webs might keep KG grounded, but I don't think the poison barb's going to cut it against the dragon's durable hide. Ghidorah takes this due to extreme spamming. Eventually, Kumonga will be cooked.

The only chance they've got is if Ghidorah retreats. And for that to happen they'd have to bind and beat him mercilessly. The spider may have given Goji a tough time but it's no substitute for him in this fight...
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Gyaos » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:12 am

PopInPicsPresents wrote:Atomic Rays and Gravity Beams don't send the adult Mothra flying.

Atleast she wasnt outright killed. Ya know, like Kumonga? :roll:
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:27 am

Gyaos wrote:
PopInPicsPresents wrote:Atomic Rays and Gravity Beams don't send the adult Mothra flying.

Atleast she wasnt outright killed. Ya know, like Kumonga? :roll:


I'm sorry but when did a Mothra larva get hit by Godzilla's Atomic Ray? It never did, it was protected by the rocks. Kumunga was weakened by the cold, then hit by 2 simultaneous Atomic Rays. That's much more then any Showa Mothra ever went through :?
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Gyaos » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:27 am

Showa Mothra was hit with numerous Gravity beams, which where enough to cause Godzilla pain (Even if it was a rather silly scene).
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:32 am

Gyaos wrote:Showa Mothra was hit with numerous Gravity beams, which where enough to cause Godzilla pain (Even if it was a rather silly scene).


And it was sent flying with each hit :?
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Gyaos » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:38 am

PopInPicsPresents wrote:
Gyaos wrote:Showa Mothra was hit with numerous Gravity beams, which where enough to cause Godzilla pain (Even if it was a rather silly scene).


And it was sent flying with each hit :?

Which is still better than Kumonga who would have been killed within the first volley. I'd also bring in the part in DAM where Ghidorah's gravity beams bring Gorosaurus to his knees and make Rodan flee from the battle.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:05 am

Can Ghidorah fly as fast as Rodan did in it's debut film? One thing Rodan has going for it is that destructive shockwave it generates while in flight, and it's incredible speed and maneuverability, and even a kind of power breath weapon in the first film. Other than that, Rodan really does not seem to have anything on King Ghidorah. It has three heads to it's one, and each on a long coiling neck. I can see Kumonga maybe being able to tie those necks up with its legs, and perhaps try to cocoon the space monster like a real spider does its prey, but unless it can seal those three mouths shut, it would probably be cooked eventually. Still would be a sweet battle to see though.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:34 am

Gyaos wrote:
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Gyaos wrote:Showa Mothra was hit with numerous Gravity beams, which where enough to cause Godzilla pain (Even if it was a rather silly scene).


And it was sent flying with each hit :?

Which is still better than Kumonga who would have been killed within the first volley. I'd also bring in the part in DAM where Ghidorah's gravity beams bring Gorosaurus to his knees and make Rodan flee from the battle.


On what grounds to you say Kumunga isn't durable? Suggesting a Mothra Larva is more durable then a monster that matched Godzilla's strength is ludicrous. If it weren't for the weather and Minya's interference Godzilla would have had a much harder battle. And are we forgetting Kumunga's a smart cookie? While Ghidorah is pretty meh..It could easily fool Ghidorah by playing dead and blinding one of Ghidorah's heads, and the webs will make Ghidorah helpless, same as they did in GTTHM.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:24 pm

Two of the times he hit Mothra he had time to aim.


...What the hell does that even mean? How does Ghidorah aim? Does he zone in on his target, have a little icon in his eyes that say "Target acquired!", and what not?

How the hell do you know it just wasn't firing wildly? Ghidorah doesn't need to take the time to aim to get a good shot. He just needs to fire, and he'll hit something. Also, who cares if he has to aim? It's not like it'll matter in this fight, because Kumonga is hard to miss.

Maybe he slowed down because you know, it was skreeonk snowing Insects tend not to thrive well in the cold, especially when they're a tropical species..


Um...no. He slowed down before the snow started falling. The weather had nothing to do with that. Kumonga slowed down, because he's weak to fire, and after getting hit with fire enough, it slowed him down to the point of death.

While Rodan's attacks are going to hurt,


...What attacks? What can Rodan attack Ghidorah with that would cause significant damage to him? Dropping rocks on him? Blowing wind in his face? Running away? Yeah, none of that is going to hurt Ghidorah.


Kumunga was weakened by the cold, then hit by 2 simultaneous Atomic Rays. That's much more then any Showa Mothra ever went through


A. The cold didn't weaken Kumonga. You have no proof of that.
B. The two simultaneous rays were superfluous. By the time Kumonga was hit by those rays, he was already dead. Those two rays were just there to look cool. It's like the second ray that Godzilla fires on Megaguirus after the first one already hit: The target was already dead, the second ray was not necessary.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby RedZillaKing » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:00 pm

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
...What attacks? What can Rodan attack Ghidorah with that would cause significant damage to him? Dropping rocks on him? Blowing wind in his face? Running away? Yeah, none of that is going to hurt Ghidorah.

Rodan has been shown to be able to stop Ghidorah in his tracks with a ram attack. Said attack also made Ghidorah fall from the sky. (1:59)
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I stated in the second part of the sentence that you quoted that I didn't think Rodan could take Ghidorah. Why don't you read the context before you immediately argue against someone who agrees with you. I'm starting to wonder if you're just contrary.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby miguelnuva » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:06 pm

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
Two of the times he hit Mothra he had time to aim.


...What the hell does that even mean? How does Ghidorah aim? Does he zone in on his target, have a little icon in his eyes that say "Target acquired!", and what not?

How the hell do you know it just wasn't firing wildly? Ghidorah doesn't need to take the time to aim to get a good shot. He just needs to fire, and he'll hit something. Also, who cares if he has to aim? It's not like it'll matter in this fight, because Kumonga is hard to miss.



It means that while 8 times out of 10 Ghidorah shoots widely those other two times he stops and fires his beams without his heads moving all over the place.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby Captain Aktion » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:18 pm

Not really following all of this, but I did want to pop in and point out something.

I'm pretty sure (you can correct me if I'm wrong) that Rodan is the fastest flier in the Showa era, and he manages to do that without any propellant of any kind. Pretty impressive speeds this guy can hit by flapping his wings; and with the sheer size of it? Wow, that's a whole lot of hidden power inside of Rodan, possibly more than we would obviously assume. Theoretically, Rodan could have the strongest "punch" of any of the Showa beasts. If he can flap those wings of his with enough force to lift his own weight off of the ground, and with that wind-resistance, then I'd say a downward hook from one of those wings could do some serious, serious damage. Especially if you take his force+mass/weight behind it. Devastating. Perhaps Ghidorah could strike in a similar fashion, but his wings don't have the mass or bone structure reinforcing the strikes. Again, I think Rodan could, theoretically, have the "knockout" punch of the Showa era; Goro and his kangaroo kick are the only competition I can think of.

And one more point; Rodan's durability. If a thing of that size, weight, and surface area can propel itself at those kinds of speeds under that kind of strain and wind-shear, then it must, again, have some hidden strengths that aren't immediately apparent. Think; if he's moving that fast with that surface-area, he should be burning up, he should be breaking apart at the joints and seams, he should be blacking out from the lack of oxygen and any way to process it, and with how long he can keep those speeds up, he should frankly be dead. But he's not. It doesn't seem to effect him at all. It must be all but impossible to damage those wings of his. Hell, it must be nearly impossible to dislocate any of the bones in his arms or shoulders, 'cause there's no greater stress they could be put through than what he already does on a daily, consistent basis.

In fact, the only thing that has been shown to actually maim Rodan was magma, and man, that's a pretty tough weakness to exploit.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:21 pm

Here's my thing, Godzilla's Atomic Ray never really hurt Ghidorah. Godzilla's melee is what really made the battle go his way. Ghidorah isn't really good up close, and I don't believe the Gravity Beams are that powerful. The hurricane winds are what really tore up Tokyo. I believe the Gravity Bolts are specialized for causing pain more then anything. They don't really compare to the Atomic Ray.
Now, if Rodan can distract Ghidorah long enough, Kumunga can either start shooting web or go in for melee. Both would be pretty effective. Ghidorah becomes helpless when covered in webbing. That and he tends to retreat when he starts getting beat up on. Ghidorah will retreat after Kumunga and Rodan start to put up a fight.
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Re: Rodan and kumonga vs King Ghidorah

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:21 pm

Rodan has been shown to be able to stop Ghidorah in his tracks with a ram attack. Said attack also made Ghidorah fall from the sky. (1:59)


Dude, I've seen the movies. You don't need to give me links to what you're talking about.

That mid-air ram in GTTHM won't work unless Ghidorah is in the air as well. And seeing how Kumonga is restricted to the ground, I really doubt that Ghidorah will be flying at all. Therefore, the only attack that Rodan ever did to Ghidorah that stalled him or may have caused some damage, is entirely useless in this fight.

Have you seen Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster and Invasion of the Astro Monster? Together with Goji, Rodan was able to defeat Ghidorah three times.


Read the bolded.

Godzilla is not in this fight! Kumonga is a very poor substitute for Godzilla, since Kumonga can't hold Ghidorah back while Rodan does something else, Kumonga can't engage Ghidorah physically without screwing himself over, Kumonga doesn't have an energy attack, etc.

The only reason that Godzilla and Rodan were able to take down Ghidorah twice (the third time was a tie), was because they worked together, and they make a good team. They cover up each other's weaknesses rather well, and can attack a variety of ways. They're just a great monster tag team. The same cannot be said for Rodan and Kumonga.

Also, you really need to stop talking down to people like that, unless you want to come off sounding like a jerk.

I don't really understand how you can claim he has nothing that can hurt Ghidorah.


Because, in this fight, where Ghidorah would be spending the entire fight on the ground, all Rodan can do is fly by Ghidorah and maybe ram him, which would just annoy Ghidorah.

Why don't you read the context before you immediately argue against someone who agrees with you.


Because all I read was that particular part of your post, got pissed off at what you were saying, and responded to it. If you think Ghidorah would win, then you really shouldn't say things like "Rodan's attacks are going to hurt". By doing so, you're sending mixed messages.

I'm starting to wonder if you're just contrary.


...What does that even mean? I can't be what you're saying if I have no idea what you're talking about.

It means that while 8 times out of 10 Ghidorah shoots widely those other two times he stops and fires his beams without his heads moving all over the place.


...What?

Ghidorah never stopped firing wildly. He just fires whenever he wants. He doesn't need to aim, because he's got three beams. He's bound to hit something.

And like I said, it's not like any of that is going to matter in this fight. He'll still easily hit Kumonga. A few shots from the Gravity Bolts, and Kumonga will go down.
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