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Re: DAM and GvsMegalon from Media Blasters (v.2)

Postby kpa » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:48 pm

Goji wrote:Why wouldn't they just hold out, and wait for the extras to be approved? It just doesn't add up. It's like they know the company might still go under, and want to rush it out so they can make at least some $ off of the film, as opposed to none.


It's pretty simple, and adds up pretty easily. Last May/June Media Blasters paid Toho for the rights to release MEGALON on home video. On top of whatever they paid for the license, MB also paid Toho thousands of dollars to strike a new print of the English dubbed version because that was the only option Toho gave them to get the complete English dub track. Then add in the money spent on extras, in-house work (cover design, solicitations, transfer materials, content build-up, etc). After that, because of Media Blasters' screw up over DAM they haven't made so much as a penny off MEGALON in the 10 months they've held the rights.

To release MEGALON as they'd intended, Media Blasters will need to have every single item approved by Toho. But the people handling this process at Toho most likely aren't filmmakers or executives, but rather lower level employees who do grunt work. Toho is known to be a very old school business-- even by Japanese standards-- where things move slowly because the staffers further down in the company don't want to make a mistake and risk getting in hot water with their bosses. So they're being extremely meticulous going over the materials Media Blasters wants to include. It's now 4-5 months since MEGALON was originally scheduled for release and there is no end in sight for the approval process.

Media Blasters has a multi-year license for MEGALON. But they'll be a year into that deal this June, and could be months or a year or more before the extras are all cleared by Toho. So they could wait, and lose 25-50% of their sales window. Or they can put out a barebones DVD now and recoup some of their expenses (and possibly even make a profit) and then do the SE DVD and Blu-ray whenever Toho gives the okay (which could be a long time from now). From what I know of their plans, what they're doing just makes more sense.

wataru wrote:Released Megalon on DVD only would be like releasing The Avengers and TDKR on VHS. It's just stupid.


Wataru, that analogy makes no sense whatsoever. New VHS releases are currently 0% of home video sales. According to reports, DVD sales made up 72-79% of the market last year while Blu-ray's shares are around 25%. Blu-ray is growing, but if Media Blasters goes DVD-only on the barebones MEGALON that would because DVD sells more than three times as well. Considering the smaller market for Blu-ray, a MEGALON Blu-ray now would probably have a serious impact on doing an SE Blu-ray later.
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Re: DAM and GvsMegalon from Media Blasters (v.2)

Postby Goji » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:43 pm

So basically, it's the obvious answer: they want to make some money off of MEGALON before their rights expire. I just hope MB can stay a float long enough for a future release of an extras-laden BD..

Why Toho didn't check the DAM release before it went out is completely on them, as far as I'm concerned. If it weren't for that, MEGALON would have likely shipped on time, and we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now.
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Re: DAM and GvsMegalon from Media Blasters (v.2)

Postby Wataru » Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:36 pm

kpa,

No you missed the point of my comparison. When DVDs came out, there was also VHS. And like DVDs and BRDs now, VHS was outselling DVDs for awhile. But as it got cheaper to goto DVD, VHS slowly died. But shit was still released on it for a long time.

Now you have DVD and BRD. While DVD is still king, I highly doubt it'll be around in 5 years. BRDs are the price NOW that DVDs were at the height of the DVD/VHS period of media. BRD players are only $75 now, the next generation of games will use BRDs. So released a movie ONLY on DVD when the format is dying is just stupid. It's going to be standard def and compressed.
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Re: DAM and GvsMegalon from Media Blasters (v.2)

Postby TheSecondComing » Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:49 pm

wataru wrote:So released a movie ONLY on DVD when the format is dying is just stupid.



You're ignoring the part where DVDs make up 79% of the market today.

I'm not as extreme as Flawed in the not adopting next-gen technology department, but at this point in time I'm not willing to shell out the money I'd need to spend on blu-ray players/high def televisions/blu-ray dvds/whatever other accessories just for marginally better picture quality. It'd be a waste of money, especially when the format isn't even particularly close to the forefront. And I'm definitely not going to do just so I can buy one movie I'm interested in. If the barebones DVD of Megalon is the only option MB is able to deliver, I will get it at some point but I'm taking a wait-and-see approach in case something better comes out later.
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Re: DAM and GvsMegalon from Media Blasters (v.2)

Postby Wataru » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:19 am

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wataru wrote:So released a movie ONLY on DVD when the format is dying is just stupid.

You're ignoring the part where DVDs make up 79% of the market today.


Except DVD being a dying market, means this movie will have to be cheap.

Would people here double dip if Megs was ever released on BRD?
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Re: DAM and GvsMegalon from Media Blasters (v.2)

Postby Tohosaurus » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:41 am

I would. ^
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Re: DAM and GvsMegalon from Media Blasters (v.2)

Postby o.supreme » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:46 am

wataru wrote:Except DVD being a dying market, means this movie will have to be cheap.

Correct. A Barebones standard DVD of this release should not cost more than $10

wataru wrote:Would people here double dip if Megs was ever released on BRD?


I would not. I already have the Madman DVD, and my own DVD backup of my Goodtimes VHS, so a standard DVD release means nothing to me. I wish Sony had just obtained Megalon & G1985 back in 2004 when they were releasing all their other Godzilla titles. The poor quality unlicensed DVD's released prior would not have hindered sales.

I understand that MB wants to try to get something out of their G vs. M license, but I truly believe this is just a chance to get something out before they go under completely, I highly doubt the Blu-Ray with all the bonuses we were expecting will ever be released. I still will be watching closely the 5/22/12 release for the Gamera:The Brave on BluRay, not to purchase it (since I already own the DVD), but to see if it actually is released as projected.
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Re: DAM and GvsMegalon from Media Blasters (v.2)

Postby Tyler » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:00 am

I'd get the Blu-ray.

And as for physical media, I'm a big supporter of it. I like things that are tangible, books, DVDs, whatever.
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Re: DAM and GvsMegalon from Media Blasters (v.2)

Postby Goji » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:24 am

wataru wrote:Would people here double dip if Megs was ever released on BRD?


At this point, I'll just buy the barebones disk in the event that MB does go under, and it becomes super expensive. However, If the uncut English dub wasn't included, I wouldn't bother with it at all. I don't really expect MEGALON to look any better than the R2, which I already have a copy of.

o.supreme wrote:I would not. I already have the Madman DVD, and my own DVD backup of my Goodtimes VHS, so a standard DVD release means nothing to me. I wish Sony had just obtained Megalon & G1985 back in 2004 when they were releasing all their other Godzilla titles. The poor quality unlicensed DVD's released prior would not have hindered sales.


I hear ya man. The uncut English dub is the only selling point for me now (which was not available on the Madman disk, which is why I never bothered with it). Regarding Sony, they actually passed on MEGALON because of the bootlegs that Alpha Video and Passion Productions had put out, so we have them to blame for not get a beautiful "Sonyfied" version of MEGALON. It's a damn shame.

I understand that MB wants to try to get something out of their G vs. M license, but I truly believe this is just a chance to get something out before they go under completely, I highly doubt the Blu-Ray with all the bonuses we were expecting will ever be released. I still will be watching closely the 5/22/12 release for the Gamera:The Brave on BluRay, not to purchase it (since I already own the DVD), but to see if it actually is released as projected.


Yeah, that's only two months from today, so it will be very interesting to see what happens. At this point, the GAMERA THE BRAVE release seems more likely than the special edition of MEGALON, considering not even the barebones version has a release date yet.
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Re: DAM and GvsMegalon from Media Blasters (v.2)

Postby o.supreme » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:57 am

Goji wrote:I hear ya man. The uncut English dub is the only selling point for me now (which was not available on the Madman disk, which is why I never bothered with it). Regarding Sony, they actually passed on MEGALON because of the bootlegs that Alpha Video and Passion Productions had put out, so we have them to blame for not get a beautiful "Sonyfied" version of MEGALON. It's a damn shame.


I keep reading about the "uncut" english dub. Is it really that significant? How much dialogue is really missing form the Cinema Shares theatrical release, or Madman DVD?
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Re: DAM and GvsMegalon from Media Blasters (v.2)

Postby Gawdziller » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:16 am

Tohosaurus wrote:I would. ^



This.

The DVD is going with my long built DVD collection. The Blu (pending release) is going next to my copies of Criterion's Godzilla and the DAM Blu.

Of course, that's just because I don't feel like being a crybaby about it. I was going to buy both DVD and Blu anyway.
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Re: DAM and GvsMegalon from Media Blasters (v.2)

Postby Goji » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:25 am

o.supreme wrote: I keep reading about the "uncut" english dub. Is it really that significant? How much dialogue is really missing form the Cinema Shares theatrical release, or Madman DVD?


Don't worry, it's not much. You know how the "US version" of MEGALON on the Madman disk is missing a couple of brief scenes? Those scenes contain the lines that are missing. It's nothing too significant. Mostly the scenes involving the guys in truck being held up at gun point. Why Toho didn't supply Madman with the uncut dub is beyond me. They were forced to do a very poor recreation of the Cinema Shares version, and didn't even bother to include the English credits!

I'm a HUGE fan of the Axis dubs from the 70's, so for me, having it uncut is the deal breaker. The only uncut version I have is sourced from a PAL VHS, and the quality is pretty horrid. Lots of hissing when you try to turn it up. I simply want a high quality version of the dub, and since the dub was sourced from a 35mm print of the international version for MB's release, it's bound to sound pretty damn good.
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Re: DAM and GvsMegalon from Media Blasters (v.2)

Postby kpa » Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:01 am

EDIT: Media Blasters has officially revealed the new release info and complete cover art for GODZILLA VS MEGALON…

http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2012 ... s-megalon/


wataru wrote:kpa,

No you missed the point of my comparison. When DVDs came out, there was also VHS. And like DVDs and BRDs now, VHS was outselling DVDs for awhile. But as it got cheaper to goto DVD, VHS slowly died. But shit was still released on it for a long time.

Now you have DVD and BRD. While DVD is still king, I highly doubt it'll be around in 5 years. BRDs are the price NOW that DVDs were at the height of the DVD/VHS period of media. BRD players are only $75 now, the next generation of games will use BRDs. So released a movie ONLY on DVD when the format is dying is just stupid. It's going to be standard def and compressed.


I understood your comparison, and even with the explanation it doesn't make business sense.

Sure DVD's share of the home video market is decreasing while Blu-ray is increasing. But Media Blasters is looking to release MEGALON in 2012, and in 2012 roughly 80% of sales are for DVDs. So if they a) only plan to go with one format at this time, and b) want to maximize profits, then DVD is the logical choice because right now it outsells Blu-ray 4-to-1.

Media Blasters hasn't officially announced what their current plans are for MEGALON, but with Blu-ray being only 20-25% of the market it makes sense not to release a barebones version of a niche film on Blu-ray if they're planning to do a SE down the line. With a much smaller customer base for Blu it would be easy to completely that market with the first release.

That's why your AVENGERS analogy made absolutely zero sense. And your explanation here doesn't work either, because back plenty of films were released VHS-only when DVD sales were ar current BD levels. As DVD sales increased more titles were released in that format, and previous VHS-only titles were reissued on DVD... basically the same pattern Media Blasters may be considering now. Your explanation just disproved your own point.

o.supreme wrote:I keep reading about the "uncut" english dub. Is it really that significant? How much dialogue is really missing form the Cinema Shares theatrical release, or Madman DVD?


There's not a ton of dialogue missing, but Cinema Shares cut a lot of bits and pieces out of the film to guarantee a G rating. Therefore the English language version shown in the US (with the exception of a few airing on the Sci-Fi Channel many years ago) is incomplete. A complete version has existed all along but it's never been released on video in the US-- or on DVD or Blu-ray anywhere in the world-- so IMO its inclusion on the Media Blasters disc(s) would be very significant.
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Re: DAM and GvsMegalon from Media Blasters (v.2)

Postby Wataru » Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:17 pm

kpa,

My analogy is spot on. Im looking at this as a fan. There are NO new movies today released on DVD only. Theyre either BRD, BRD/DVD and DVD. Releasing ANY film on ONE format, and the one on the way out, isnt smart. You can buy even old movies out on BRD now for only $2-$3 more then the DVD. Walmart this week started a BRD dump bin program for $7.88. Do you think Marvel is going to release The Avengers on DVD only because the % is higher on DVD sales? Hell no. It'll be BRD/DVD/Digital, BRD/DVD, DVD and later probably a 3D BRD.

In an age of HD TVs and Blu-Ray players with the price of BRD dropping fasted then DVD did between it's release and VHS's fall, it's just not smart to do ONLY ONE. And how much data are they going to compress (jam!) on this DVD? The video is going to be compressed, then you add 1-2 audio tracks, then DTS, menus.

This isnt MB getting some video files and just making new DVDs, this is supposed to be something new, not seen before and not a tape transfer. If MB had the rights to these films for awhile, why werent all these approvals banged out awhile back, or before a release date was created? And now that it's what...? 5 months behind, havent these again been worked out? Total FUBAR on MB's part. Can you blame Toho? No, it's their property. Theyre going to be anal, but a small company like MB shouldve known this before going in with Toho to release them. Then promising fans the world and now offering a barebones DVD only release?

If BRD is only 25% of the sales market, then MB has already lost 25% of it's potential sales. Hell, even if they had a Digital download option...
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Re: DAM and GvsMegalon from Media Blasters (v.2)

Postby TheSecondComing » Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:18 pm

As hilariously wrong as watsy is, there's breaking news.

http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2012 ... s-megalon/

August 14 is the new release date.
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Re: DAM and GvsMegalon from Media Blasters (v.2)

Postby Wataru » Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:21 pm

TheSecondComing wrote:As hilariously wrong as watsy is, there's breaking news.

http://www.scifijapan.com/articles/2012 ... s-megalon/

August 14 is the new release date.


Except Im not.

So August 14th. That means April 2013.
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Re: DAM and GvsMegalon from Media Blasters (v.2)

Postby kpa » Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:57 pm

wataru wrote:kpa,

My analogy is spot on. Im looking at this as a fan.


And that's where you go off the rails. There's a tremendous difference between how someone may think things should be and the reality of how things actually work.

There are NO new movies today released on DVD only.


I get sent monthly film catalogs from distributors all over the world, and many of the smaller labels release titles in one format. Sentai Filmworks just released GRAVE OF THE FIREFLIES-- a highly regarded film made by the world renowned Studio Ghibli crew-- DVD-only. And that's just the first example that springs to mind.

If you're talking strictly new movies, MEGALON is 39 years old. So either way, your statement is wrong.

Do you think Marvel is going to release The Avengers on DVD only because the % is higher on DVD sales? Hell no. It'll be BRD/DVD/Digital, BRD/DVD, DVD and later probably a 3D BRD.


If you think a barebones release of a 39 year old niche film from a small label would ever follow the same business model as an upcoming, $200 million dollar + budget Hollywood (potential) blockbuster from a major US studio, you are literally insane.

TheSecondComing wrote:As hilariously wrong as watsy is


Too true!
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Re: DAM and GvsMegalon from Media Blasters (v.2)

Postby Gawdziller » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:07 pm

I'm pissed Megalon isn't going to be released on 3D Blu-Ray. I mean WTF Media Blasters? You cheap bastards. Did I buy this 3D TV for nothing?
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Re: DAM and GvsMegalon from Media Blasters (v.2)

Postby Tohosaurus » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:09 pm

Gawdziller wrote:
The DVD is going with my long built DVD collection. The Blu (pending release) is going next to my copies of Criterion's Godzilla and the DAM Blu.

Of course, that's just because I don't feel like being a crybaby about it. I was going to buy both DVD and Blu anyway.

I'm a bit of a completist in that sense, so I too would buy the DVD solely to complete my Godzilla DVD collection (as ridiculous as that sounds) and the BRD is what I'd actually watch and use to continue building up my Godzilla BRD collection.
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Re: DAM and GvsMegalon from Media Blasters (v.2)

Postby Gawdziller » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:13 pm

I have use for the DVD outside of completists sake (which I totally am one, I'm not going to lie). The DVD disc would come in handy for my laptop and portable DVD player. It's always handy to have a standard def around for when I'm on the move.
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Re: DAM and GvsMegalon from Media Blasters (v.2)

Postby TheSecondComing » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:29 pm

I'm a small businessman, so I'll give it a shot at explaining through comparing myself to the Media Blasters/Toho relationship.

Everybody knows that at some point, Media Blasters and Toho inked a dvd distribution deal. I'm talking years ago, when they brought us some very nice DVDs of Varan, Yog Monster from Space, The Mysterians, Matango, and Dogora (don't recall if there were others, but let's move on) through the Tokyo Shock label. And then we were all excited when it was announced that they would be bringing us Destroy All Monsters and Godzilla vs Megalon. Here's where things start getting murky though, because somebody thought it would be wise to rush the release of DAM without Toho's ultimate approval. I can't think of why the folks at Media Blasters would change their method of dealing with a company they've done good work with before, and who is known throughout the industry as being a little bit slow, a little old-fashioned and extremely cautious about handling some of their main franchise characters. But anyway, DAM gets out there to whatever sales it does but Toho steps in and says you're not pulling that move again. Megalon's release gets delayed and everybody is extra cautious about moving forward.

Meanwhile, that dopey move as well as I'm sure weaker business in the niche markets Media Blasters caters to lead to problems with the company. Over half of the workforce is fired and delays mount. Toho has retained complete control over all of the extra content, but Media Blasters is in need of some serious cash if they're going to continue operations. As kpa mentioned, DVDs account for nearly 80% of the home video market, so although a barebones Megalon DVD won't appeal to everyone it's really the only way Media Blasters is going to make any money at all on the deal at this moment in time (the release is now in 5 months time, so even that is something of a stretch). Toho could well take longer than 5 months to give the OK to use the extra content and if they do it would mean no special-edition can be cobbled together for co-release, and it may spell the end of the Media Blasters brand (hard to say with any certainty, since of course none of us know the numbers). Media Blasters would be foolish to try putting out a barebones blu-ray because A) the blu-ray market is already smaller than DVD B) the additional costs of producing blu-ray discs may be higher than the returns they'd get back on a movie like Godzilla vs. Megalon and C) barebones blu-ray movies? I'm reasonably sure those are a contradiction in terms, though please correct me if I'm wrong since I'm not "plugged in" to that market.

It's like I've recently learned at my ebay store. I've been selling toys over a year, and recently started moving up into some higher quality household items. It'd be safe to say that percentage-wise, toys still make up around 85% of my inventory and sales. Last week, I tried selling baby clothes. They were all in nice shape and a few were even brand new. Here's the thing: None of the sets of baby clothes I listed got more than 5 views (1 set even went a whole week without attracting even a single view). Did I sell some? Yes, but the two that I was able to sell didn't go higher than 99 cents a pop. So knowing that, why would I try selling baby clothes on ebay again? It's a niche market and I'd prefer to sell 15 items a week to 85% of my established market than I would selling 2 items to less than 1% of my market.

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It's a wise (!) business move on Media Blasters' part to try to recoup some of their licensing fee investment on Megalon by putting a barebones DVD out there. Like it or not, it will be the first legitimate DVD release Megalon has ever received in our part of the world. If it (and whatever other projects MB has going on right now) are profitable enough, they'll be willing (and more importantly, able) to delve into the vastly smaller blu-ray market and once Toho allows it, a special edition DVD as well.

It's the correct business move for MB to make at this time. It's a pity that they chose this route, as Toho would have no reason to drop the hammer on them like this if somebody hadn't rushed the DAM release, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.
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