Ultimate Deathsaurer vs. Destroyah vs. MD Godzilla vs. GKG

[PopInPicsPresents]

Is MD Godzilla at 1190 or not? That's kind of an important detail...

It doesn't matter because the ray gets uber at 1180. He's at 1185.

...1190...

[miguelnuva]

Is MD Godzilla at 1190 or not? That's kind of an important detail...

It doesn't matter because the ray gets uber at 1180. He's at 1185.

...1190...

After Destroyer falls and blows up it goes to a screen that reads his temperature at 1191 that means the spiral inferno blasts had to start before 1190.

[GojiFan]

Or they started at 1190, Destroyah died, and then he reached 1191....

[YawnMasta]

Or they started at 1190, Destroyah died, and then he reached 1191....

Watch the movie. In this case, Miguelnuva is right. It started at 1180 when Godzilla had that heat wave go through his back, then the next time we see the temperature is at 1191 when Destoroyah died.

[PopInPicsPresents]

So Goji has the Uber Ray of death...which means he has the battle...

[GojiFan]

Maybe, but the counter goes from 1180 to 1182 very quickly, and then it cuts back to Godzilla for quite some time. There is a good decent chance Godzilla was releasing a pretty massive amount of energy every time he shot his beam (and also caused fire explosions to surround himself). That is supported by the movie showing his temperature raise 2 degrees in mere seconds when he was standing around doing nothing, but when he was fighting over the course of several minutes it barely increased.

[miguelnuva]

Maybe, but the counter goes from 1180 to 1182 very quickly, and then it cuts back to Godzilla for quite some time. There is a good decent chance Godzilla was releasing a pretty massive amount of energy every time he shot his beam (and also caused fire explosions to surround himself). That is supported by the movie showing his temperature raise 2 degrees in mere seconds when he was standing around doing nothing, but when he was fighting over the course of several minutes it barely increased.

That was just for movie convince that temperature would raise normal and then stop for fighting. That or Destroyer is pretty weak.

[GojiFan]

... Your reasoning continues to make zero sense.

[Hellspawn28]

Actually I find the OBD to be far more reliable than the Monster Archives and TK's stats. They calculate and discern the abilities of characters quite accuratly.

The OBD is pretty good (I was once a member) with their info and I have no idea if Endless Mike still post or not since I don't go on the forums anymore. He was always good when it comes to comic book and anime info. As for this match, I doubt all three of them are strong enough to get past UD's energy shield? They can only win if Godzilla goes through his meltdown but he is stuck at 1185. I see UD winning this 8/10.

[miguelnuva]

... Your reasoning continues to make zero sense.

How does it make zero since

option A: the temperature per second and stopped during the fight scenes because of movie reasons or

option B: Godzilla was able to force Destroyer to retreat in a matter of seconds.

Which looks better to you.

[GojiFan]

... Your reasoning continues to make zero sense.

How does it make zero since

option A: the temperature per second and stopped during the fight scenes because of movie reasons or

option B: Godzilla was able to force Destroyer to retreat in a matter of seconds.

Which looks better to you.

Because Godzilla's ray was at it's strongest at that point in time, the scene did not last mere seconds, and the movie supports my idea?

[Inferno Rodan]

EDIT: IR, what makes you think the page is bad? Would like to hear your reason behind on this.

You want me to go through the entire page and pick it apart? Should I also include the nitpicky stuff that's basically irrelevant to his combat ability as well?

[miguelnuva]

... Your reasoning continues to make zero sense.

How does it make zero since

option A: the temperature per second and stopped during the fight scenes because of movie reasons or

option B: Godzilla was able to force Destroyer to retreat in a matter of seconds.

Which looks better to you.

Because Godzilla's ray was at it's strongest at that point in time, the scene did not last mere seconds, and the movie supports my idea?

What scene are you talking about before I respond because I want to know if were talking about the same thing.

[Zillaowner]

EDIT: IR, what makes you think the page is bad? Would like to hear your reason behind on this.

You want me to go through the entire page and pick it apart? Should I also include the nitpicky stuff that's basically irrelevant to his combat ability as well?

No basically besides the spear missiles information, what others do you disagree on?

[Inferno Rodan]

No basically besides the spear missiles information, what others do you disagree on?

Well I'm gonna pick it apart anyway.

It may be a MechaGodzilla ripoff but it sure looks cool

The Deathsaurer isn't a MG ripoff in any sense, unless you consider all giant, robotic dinosaurs to be MG ripoffs.

Classification: Tyrannosaurus-type Zoid

Official stats simply call it a Dinosaur Type.

Powers and Abilities: Super Strength, Super Speed, Beam Spam, Aimdodging, Can withstand high temperatures, and several others

Super strength and Speed I'll address later. No incarnation of the Deathsaurer ever dodged anything, unless "standing there and letting everyone shoot you" suddenly counts as dodging. Withstanding high temperatures is just a factor of its ridiculous armor, so I see no reason to spefically mention that while otherwise entirely omitting the armor. "and several others"? Why would anyone even list something so vague in stats?

Weaknesses: If the particle intake fan located on its back is somehow stopped or destroyed, it will be unable to fire its super charged particle beam.

This only applies to the first Deathsaurer.

Liger blades are able to pierce it's armor. Electron fields neutralize the particle stream. | Liger blades moving at hypersonic speed are able to pierce its armor. Electron fields neutralize the particle stream, albeit not as effectively due to higher particle concentration.

Good job saying the same thing twice...

And the Blade Liger's Laser Blades aren't able to pierce its armor due to some sort of special property; they're just strong enough that they can pierce it.

The Deathsaurer's power and energies all derived from the zoid eve. Once the zoid eve is destroyed, the Deathsaurer will be rendered powerless and unable to function.

I hardly think this qualifies as a legitimate weakness, considering Zoid Eve wouldn't seriously be on any fantasy battlefield, unless the match maker was specifically trying to screw any Zoids over.

(with it's full powered charged particle beam Hiltz mentioned that he will destroy everything in the planet Z, it is very hard to determine whether it is a hyperbole or not because that last attack took minutes to charged up compared to the casual ones that can easily destroy multiple small countries)

This is just outright false. There was no last attack that took minutes to charge up.

a recent calc placed the Deathstinger CPC well into the hundreds of gigatons if not higher do to the vaporization effect of the beam, Ultimate Deathsaurer's is at least 15 times stronger.

The last statement is blatantly BSed. The Death Stinger's SCPC caused damage that rivaled the UDS's on multiple occasions.

Speed: 185.0 km/h, 72.0 knots

Both are complete BS. His land speed is nowhere near that; he never did more than a very slow walk. And I have no clue at all where they got the swimming speed. No incarnation of Deathsaurer has ever been in the water.

Durability: Multi-city level+ (likely MUCH higher), with its energy shield and thick armor inherited from the Death Stinger, it is immune to most weapons. Even a hyper gravity field, described as a mini black hole, failed to stop it.

All of this only applies to the Ultimate Deathsaurer. The first Deathsaurer is much less durable, considering a concentrated bombardment from heavy artillery broke off the armor over its face.

Took multiple hits from the Geno Breaker's CPC with only minor damage but that was a plot power up.

False. Its energy shield took multiple hits from the Geno Breaker's CPC without failing. The powered-up shot which broke through the shield (but didn't damage the UDS) wasn't a simple plot power up. Shadow fused with the GB's Zoid Core, which was well established to increase its power from the beginning.

Strength: Class 100 due to size. Threw the Geno Breaker like a rag doll.

I suppose technically there's nothing wrong with this, but I think it's silly to list it as super-strong just because it's big. For its size, it displayed no impressive feats of strength. Even when it threw the Geno Breaker, it was more of a nonchalant toss to the side, like a person would do with a piece of trash or something. It's not like it chucked the GB over the horizon or something.

Standard Equipment: High-precision InfraRed Beam Laser Searcher, Laser Machinegun, Sixteen-Shot Missile Launcher, Weighted Striking Tail, Charged Particle Intake Management Fan | Charged Particle Converter, and refraction lens that allows it to target up to 15 targets at once. Each beam capable of destroying city sized targets. The Ultimate Deathsaurer retains all of the Cannons and houses at least 3x the Missile Launchers.

The first 4 items are taken from the official stats and thus aren't applicable to the anime version. Likewise "Laser Machinegun" doesn't say a whole lot, considering it has 9 guns located all over its body.

And I would hardly call that refraction lens "standard equipment."

Notable Attacks/Techniques:

- Energy Wave: The Deathsaurer is able to charge its tail with energy. It then swings its tail and releases the energy in the form of a wave. (Restricted to it's clone form)

- Cannons: The Deathsaurer has several cannons located on various parts of its body: 3 on its nose, 4 on its back, and 2 on its stomach. The stomach cannons were seen easily cutting through Zoids like Gojulas which themselves have very heavy armor.

- Super Charged Particle Beam: From its mouth, the Deathsaurer can fire a devastating Super Charged Particle Cannon. This attack is capable of completely obliterating nearly anything it hits and even reducing the ground it hits to molten lava.

- Spear Missiles: In the base of the Deathsaurer’s tail is a series of missile launchers. When fired, the missiles fly up into the air, then explode, raining down a hail of deadly spears upon the target. This attack is capable of destroying entire cities with a single volley.

Oh look. C&Ped word-for-word from my Archives stats. Only differences are the line about the cannons cutting through Gojulas and that utterly BS last line in the Spear Missiles description.

- Refracted Beam Assault: The Ultimate Deathsaurer fires it's CPC into the Refraction Lens splitting it into up to 15 separate streams that travel at over mach 250. Doing so enables it to vaporize targets all around the world within seconds. The explosions were large enough to be seen in the atmosphere. It can also do this at weaker power settings to destroy swarms of enemies without risking damage to itself and of course to the Zoid Eve. (Restricted to Ultimate Deathsaurer)

I seriously question that mach 250 number.

- Gravity Manipulation: The Ultimate Deathsaurer neutralized a hyper gravity field after tanking it for several seconds. (Restricted to Ultimate Deathsaurer)

-sigh-

I have trouble taking that scene as a real feat for the UDS. Tanking the gravity field I have no problem with, but the part where the ring appears out of nowhere and contains the field is just so random it's hard to make heads or tails of.

- Regeneration: Ambient who is an Organoid has the ability to restore Zoids body parts merged with the Deathsaurer like it did with the Deathstinger. The ability was shown when the Deathstinger's tail was cut off. Although it has never been directly shown by the Deathsaurer due to the fact that it's enemies was unable to damage it aside from destroying the Zoid Core.

HEY GUYS LET'S LIST A POWER THAT IT NEVER DISPLAYED AT ALL!

Ambient was, in all likelihood, killed when the UDS absorbed the Death Stinger's Zoid Core.




So yeah. Not a good stat page.