Is Godzilla 1998 still an official Godzilla movie?

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Is Godzilla 1998 still an official Godzilla movie?

Postby James23873 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:30 pm

Maybe this is a stupid question, but this got me thinking a lot earlier. If Zilla is now officially a separate character, complete with his own copyright icon, does that make the American Godzilla movie no longer a real Godzilla movie?
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Re: Is Godzilla 1998 still an official Godzilla movie?

Postby g2kmaster » Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:00 pm

The Godzilla from 1998 and the Zilla from GFW is, as far as I've heard, two different characters legally.
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Re: Is Godzilla 1998 still an official Godzilla movie?

Postby kpa » Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:58 pm

The 1998 movie and character are still trademarked and copyrighted by Toho as "Godzilla". They recognize is as a Godzilla film, but not as part of the 28 movie series they produced in Japan. G98 is official in the same sense that Hanna-Barbera cartoon and the Marvel,Dark Horse, and IDW Godzilla comic books are official... they're are licensed and approved by Toho.
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Re: Is Godzilla 1998 still an official Godzilla movie?

Postby Breakdown » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:02 am

^ But doesnt the one statement they say in GMK make Godzilla 1998 canon?
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Re: Is Godzilla 1998 still an official Godzilla movie?

Postby Legionmaster » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:55 am

Gyaos wrote:^ But doesnt the one statement they say in GMK make Godzilla 1998 canon?

There would have to be some serious retconning then, because no one in GINO had ever seen or heard of a giant radioactive dinosaur before 1998. Don't you think Godzilla's 1954 attack on Tokyo would have been global news? ;)
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Re: Is Godzilla 1998 still an official Godzilla movie?

Postby Hellspawn28 » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:43 am

Gyaos wrote:^ But doesnt the one statement they say in GMK make Godzilla 1998 canon?


Ugh, that was a gag line -_- . Tristar's Godzilla is still copyrighted as Godzilla and they even use the normal Godzilla copyright icon on the books and other stuff that was tie in the movie. For example: http://www.tohokingdom.com/books/prev/g ... k_back.htm
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Re: Is Godzilla 1998 still an official Godzilla movie?

Postby Terasawa » Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:20 am

Hellspawn28 wrote:Tristar's Godzilla is still copyrighted as Godzilla and they even use the normal Godzilla copyright icon on the books and other stuff that was tie in the movie. For example: http://www.tohokingdom.com/books/prev/g ... k_back.htm


There are also separate icons for the American Godzilla (and his offspring), but they're not used as often. They were first used on the cover of the official magazine for the 1998 film, and I think they both show up on the 2006 DVD cover. There's also an icon for the Zilla character used in GFW that uses a different illustration of the monster.
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Re: Is Godzilla 1998 still an official Godzilla movie?

Postby kpa » Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:58 am

Gyaos wrote:^ But doesnt the one statement they say in GMK make Godzilla 1998 canon?


No. Like others here have noted, the line in GMK is a joke.

When making G98, Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich said their movie was not a continuation of the Toho Godzilla series. Their movie takes place in an everyday world where there has never been any giant monsters before Godzilla appears in 1998. The creature is named after a Japanese legend, not a real monster that attacked Japan.

In GMK, Godzilla attacked Japan in 1954, and other monsters have popped up around the world since then. These other monsters are sometimes called "Godzillas" even though they're not the same as the original... this happens with Baragon in the movie.

Shusuke Kaneko is not a fan of G98, and the line in GMK is an obvious joke about the American Godzilla. But the backstory for GMK makes it equally obvious that the exact events shown in G98 could not be part of that timeline. The same goes for FINAL WARS, which had decades of monster attacks, worldwide wars and mutant soldiers... none of which fit with G98.
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Re: Is Godzilla 1998 still an official Godzilla movie?

Postby JVM » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:30 pm

We all agreed a few years back as Fans that it doesn't count, regardless what Toho says to the contrary.
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Re: Is Godzilla 1998 still an official Godzilla movie?

Postby James23873 » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:14 pm

kpa wrote:The 1998 movie and character are still trademarked and copyrighted by Toho as "Godzilla". They recognize is as a Godzilla film, but not as part of the 28 movie series they produced in Japan. G98 is official in the same sense that Hanna-Barbera cartoon and the Marvel,Dark Horse, and IDW Godzilla comic books are official... they're are licensed and approved by Toho.


Good to know. I just thought that maybe the new Zilla character might have overridden the original copyright , but I guess not.
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Re: Is Godzilla 1998 still an official Godzilla movie?

Postby kpa » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:47 am

In 2008, Toho had the TriStar film restored and reissued in HD in Japan. The movie was-- and is-- still called GODZILLA.
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Re: Is Godzilla 1998 still an official Godzilla movie?

Postby Hellspawn28 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:31 pm

I don't see how a remake of the original movie can be canon to something if the original movie took place? It would be like making Psycho V then having both the original and remake took place in one universe!
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Re: Is Godzilla 1998 still an official Godzilla movie?

Postby XxComablack1937xX » Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:51 pm

Who really cares? Even if Toho were to say tomorrow Officially ''Godzilla 1998'' is Godzilla... i still wont call it, think of it or even see it as Godzilla an that's all that matters to me.
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Re: Is Godzilla 1998 still an official Godzilla movie?

Postby edgaguirus » Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:29 pm

I consider it a seperate film as well. Gino carries the Godzilla name, but the film works independently of the Toho films.
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Re: Is Godzilla 1998 still an official Godzilla movie?

Postby SuperSaiyan4Godzilla » Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:52 pm

edgaguirus wrote:I consider it a seperate film as well. Gino carries the Godzilla name, but the film works independently of the Toho films.


I don't understand this "independently" stuff everyone is saying..

Aren't most of the films, besides obviously connected ones, independent of themselves? Even if they're made by Toho, most films go off in totally different directions.

I still don't understand the fascination with shunning the American film either. Its a film that we can learn from. Its not the best example of a Godzilla film, but it brings interesting ideas to the table that weren't really considered before it existed.
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Re: Is Godzilla 1998 still an official Godzilla movie?

Postby JVM » Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:24 pm

It doesn't matter what Toho thinks anymore, everyone agreed over a year, I think two years ago it doesn't count.
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Re: Is Godzilla 1998 still an official Godzilla movie?

Postby Terasawa » Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:35 am

JVM wrote:It doesn't matter what Toho thinks anymore, everyone agreed over a year, I think two years ago it doesn't count.


No offense, but that's ridiculous. If Toho says it counts, then it counts. End of discussion. If you don't want to consider it an official Godzilla film, fine, but that doesn't change the fact that it was produced and released as a Godzilla film, and that the company that makes and controls the franchise says it is still a Godzilla film.

Besides, where, when, and how did "everyone" agree that it doesn't count? Was there some official fan summit called to determine this? :roll:

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Re: Is Godzilla 1998 still an official Godzilla movie?

Postby JVM » Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:21 pm

^ I'm being somewhat satirical because I still think it played out rather stupidly in my opinion. During a discussion in the "Worst Godzilla Film" topic, a large number of people repeatedly insisting G98 doesn't count. Once I got bored of debating it, I made that little sarcastic remark and continue to make it because I'm a bitter smartass.
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Re: Is Godzilla 1998 still an official Godzilla movie?

Postby Goji » Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:37 pm

"It doesn't matter what Toho thinks"

"everyone agreed that it doesn't count".

Lol..now that's rich. Who's "everyone"? A handful of 14 year olds on TK?
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Re: Is Godzilla 1998 still an official Godzilla movie?

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:44 pm

Goji wrote:"It doesn't matter what Toho thinks"

"everyone agreed that it doesn't count".

Lol..now that's rich. Who's "everyone"? A handful of 14 year olds on TK?


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