CGI or rubber suits?

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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Patrick Alan » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:44 pm

I'd rather have it being a Rubber Suit, but I already know it'll be CGI
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Living Corpse » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:54 pm

I'd rather they combine BOTH but they said it's gonna be CGI so what can you do?
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:31 am

Hope for the best that the CGI is top notch, which is likely a given since the character in question is so iconic. GINO was a screw up but I think most here can agree that the CGI used in the film holds up well when compared to later films like Cloverfield and the Clash of The Titans remake.

Given that GINO was such a disappointment everywhere else, there is probably a drive to make this new Godzilla's CGI outshine the techniques used in that film.
The same goes for what Godzilla will look like. It will probably be constructed more like a living thing, with its own unique motion based abstractly off of existing animals, so It probably won't look exactly like what we all have seen before with the suits.
I hope they pattern it off of a bear. Bears have a nice half-way point in the dexterity of their limbs, not quite as much as a human, but more than the average large predator. Also, in a documentary Harou Nakajima said that he based his movements off of bears, so it would be a nice tribute. Pick Andy Serkis for the motion reference acting and I would be totally psyched about a CGI Godzilla.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Crocodile » Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:07 pm

GodGan wrote:USA think theyre the best at cgi but wait til japan does it... no racist.
Well the movie should be both. It would be epic. 8-)


Japanese CGI typically isn't as good as Hollywood CGI

The difference, MONEY!
Hollywood puts a lot more money into special effects, where as Japan (Due to a smaller domestic market) is more conservative with where it's budget goes.

As for this movie
I'm hoping CGI, I want to see new stuff done here with a larger fat American budget. I want a sense of scale you just can't get with Suitmation.
I love suitmation, and I always will, but this movie is a chance to do some stuff Toho just doesn't do.
Let's not squander that trying to be exactly the same as before.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Hellspawn28 » Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:01 pm

I have seen some great looking CG in Japanese films. Maybe on the same level as Transformers or The Day After Tomorrow but they can make some great looking stuff. I still don't think we will see suitmation in the film and CG is the right choice to go with.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Godzilla2000Zero » Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:51 am

Godzilla should be CG but if they go with suitmation then that's ok
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Godzilla1703 » Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:45 pm

i prefer suit, but as long as he acts like him self
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby GodzillaXGomoraFight » Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:35 pm

It will probably be in CGI like everything else in the movies lately. A new Japanese Godzilla film in the future may use suits as it tradition calls for, but technology has grown much more since 2004.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby ZillaMaster91 » Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:49 am

The quality of CG has grown so much in the last decade that I trust that Legendary can pull of utilizing a CG Godzilla rather than a suit. Personally I would utilize motion capture - have a stunt actor perform Godzilla's movements in a studio then edit the CG design over those movements. It worked so well in Lord of the Rings, King Kong, and (despite how much I dislike this movie) Avatar. It would be awesome if they used this method for Godzilla.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Godzillais#1 » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:44 pm

I think they should do some editing with the Final wars suit and stick with the suit.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby BBanzai » Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:44 pm

Motion capture in suits, then animate. That way, we get suit movement with CGI graphics. Everyone's happy!
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby HeiseiGodzilla117 » Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:46 pm

BBanzai wrote:Motion capture in suits, then animate. That way, we get suit movement with CGI graphics. Everyone's happy!


I beg to differ. Suit movement is not something I want. I prefer fluid movments to stiff ones. That's not to say it can't be done with motion capture, but there are just some things that can be done better altogether without suits.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:02 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:I have seen some great looking CG in Japanese films. Maybe on the same level as Transformers or The Day After Tomorrow but they can make some great looking stuff. I still don't think we will see suitmation in the film and CG is the right choice to go with.


Like the movie Returner, for instance. It has a jet plane transform into a humanoid robot that looked a lot closer to the original Starscream than the Transformers '07 movie version of Starscream did. You could see where the parts like the cockpit shifted to become different parts of the body, and you could follow the transformation animation more clearly.

Its funny that someone proposed motion capturing the suits. Seems like a strange idea, like I dunno, stop-motion animating actual size people and monster suits in lieu of miniatures.

Still, one could always build the suit and then animate a CGI model of it one would think. I still think it would be better to motion capture the movement though so it has realistic movement.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby TechnoForce » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:15 pm

I would definatly like to see a suit enhanced with CGI. Id like to see it kept as traditional as possible. I am sure if special effects teams were to pour as much time, effort and budget into the suits they could make them look excellent. After all if we just switch everything over to CGI the rubber suit art isnt going to progress at all and we will never see how good they can look.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby Togera » Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:10 am

Well......CGI is more popular than the old guy in a rubber suit........but i think if they did a bit of both like mabye more CG and a bit of rubber suit,it would still keep the tradition going :huge: , so my opinion is a bit of both.
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Re: CGI or rubber suits?

Postby CatfaceFourtoes » Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:13 pm

If the CGI could look just like the suit, but not have any of the physical limitations of the suit, like slow and cumbersome movement and stiffness in the body in parts that are not puppeteered, that would be nice to see. Nice seamless integration with real backgrounds and human actors, or even cgi human actors would also be cool.
I'll use the remake of Clash of The Titans for an example. Given the make overs of both the Krakken and Medusa, I'd much prefer Medusa's CGI rendering than The Krakken's. It moved better, while still basically looking like the original stop-motion incarnation, unlike the revamped Krakken.

When it comes to which Godzilla suit, I'm sure CGI could make just about any interpretation look alright, nice and alive.

If it can do that and make the monster look like it was really there, that immense, moving with a real sense of weight, Like Bahamut, Cloverfield or GINO, than I have no problem with using CGI. Either that, or the cities and backgrounds would need to be digitally manipulated to add the illusion of size to an actor in a monster suit, real time damage to the suit would have to be CGI and humans and vehicles would have to be digitally miniaturized and synched up to interact with the motions of the live action monster suit actor.
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