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Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby ゴジラ » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:06 am

I suppose a explanation is needed.

Could anyone see Toho create a modern Showa Era, but with the GFW Godzilla as the main lead Godzilla of that era?
To many, or at least to some decent mass of fans find Final Wars to be a modern Showa Godzilla film. Mainly due to the ridiculous things that happen within it with some hint of cheese factors.

For those who might wonder why GFW Godzilla should get the lead, well to me, I find that particular Godzilla to be the only one that could possibly lead a modern Showa Era due to how Final Wars showcased him. Plus Toho probably wouldn't mind using the same design/suit due to how light the suit was and how it still manages to contain a strong Godzilla image despite being slimmed down.

Now if it were to ever be made, which point do you think Toho should begin at?

1.Continue from Final Wars and build the era around that already established universe?

2. Ignore Final Wars completely except for when GFW Godzilla had been sealed away within Antarctica by Gordon from the Gotengo, then start from scratch there?

3. Or just completely start from scratch, give Godzilla an origin then build onward from there?

Personally, I find that number 2 might be the best choice IMO. From the point of Godzilla being sealed and hibernating, scraps of an origin could be formed since Godzilla fought the Gotengo was in 1954, making that Godzilla either the original, or another species that awakened the same year as the original.

Now, 3 could also work but there are a number of ways to go about it. You could go by the GXM, or G2000 route if you want things established quickly.

I doubt anyone is truly willing to go with option 1 since a great chunk of people dislike GFW, but I guess some things could be changed and corrected to make the universe more appealing.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:30 am

Yeah, I could see Toho making a film that is essentially a continuation of the Showa Era. There are lots of open plot lines that were never truly resolved, such as whatever goes on in Monster Island, the Red Bamboo, the remains of the buried MechaGodzilla, and the Mothra Larva transforming into it's Adult form. Any one of these would make a pretty good continuation story, especially if it were set in modern day Japan.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Blackout286 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:54 am

Mmm....I can see Toho make a modern Showa series, after all, the old Showa series was enjoyable and mostly had the right amount of cheese and ridiculousness. It will truly feel different, but if the modern Ultraman films can bring a classic feel back to the current day and age, then I think Toho should be able to do the same. Just avoid Final Wars mistakes (Ripping off other films and trying to do too much at the same time), develop Godzilla, have some major human villains that effects the universe. (BRING BACK THE RED BAMBOO), and try to make an enjoyable series.

Op, I'm gonna choose option 2 as well. GFW Godzilla has already been somewhat established to the world (Mostly Japan), but from there you can go mold a new universe from that point alone.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Living Corpse » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:31 am

Bring back Monster Island.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Destroyer » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:04 am

Living Corpse wrote:Bring back Monster Island.


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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Megalon-5 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:09 am

Honestly, if Toho decided to do a modern Showa age, I'd be super happy. Showa has always been my favorite era and I'd love to see certain things like Monster Island coming back and how they got the monsters there, bringing overlooked kaiju like Gorosaurus, Varan, the Gargantuas, Titanosaurus, Megalon, the Yog Gang and all the others, the Red Bamboo returning as antagonists, perhaps dusting off Mogu, Redmoon, Erabus, Hafun, Majin Tuol, The Ashuka Fortress and maybe giving a spin-off TV show to Jet Jaguar/Zone Fighter. Honestly, even though they're probably never going to do this,if Toho did something like that, it'd be my dream come true.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Living Corpse » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:11 am

Megalon-5 wrote:Honestly, if Toho decided to do a modern Showa age, I'd be super happy. Showa has always been my favorite era and I'd love to see certain things like Monster Island coming back and how they got the monsters there, bringing overlooked kaiju like Gorosaurus, Varan, the Gargantuas, Titanosaurus, Megalon, the Yog Gang and all the others, the Red Bamboo returning as antagonists, perhaps dusting off Mogu, Redmoon, Erabus, Hafun, Majin Tuol, The Ashuka Fortress and maybe giving a spin-off TV show to Jet Jaguar/Zone Fighter. Honestly, even though they're probably never going to do this,if Toho did something like that, it'd be my dream come true.


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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Megalon-5 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:18 am

Of course, we can't forget the always awesome Giant Condor! I'd really like him along with Ebirah and maybe some other kaiju like the giant bugs appearing in an "island" type film like Son of Godzilla or Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster. I think that'd be a neat idea for a film.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Tyler » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:55 am

A throwback film set in the '60s would be pretty cool.

But I think the responsible thing to do is translate certain themes from the original films into a contemporary setting.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby o.supreme » Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:58 am

It can be done. As seen by Tsuburaya who has been recreating Showa era kaiju since Ultraman Max in 2005, in some cases "updated", but in most cases exactly as they looked in their original incarnation
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Godzillabrawler » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:02 pm

I wouldn't mind a Modern Showa, since I'm one of those fans who won't care what gets thrown at me unless it's just that bad.

I pick Option 1. Think, really. The Xiliens have failed, and they can no longer do anything since they have pretty much gone extinct. For you Showa fanboys, this gives Toho the window to bring back other forces to to try and take over the world in its crippled state. The Simeons could return a la a modern antagonistic MechaGodzilla. The Seatopians could see the Xilien's plan backfire and think the time is right to invade the surface. The Red Bamboo could attack the world's cities to cripple it further. Really, there are a number of things you could do with a continuation of Final Wars.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Blackout286 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:15 pm

Godzillabrawler wrote:I wouldn't mind a Modern Showa, since I'm one of those fans who won't care what gets thrown at me unless it's just that bad.

I pick Option 1. Think, really. The Xiliens have failed, and they can no longer do anything since they have pretty much gone extinct. For you Showa fanboys, this gives Toho the window to bring back other forces to to try and take over the world in its crippled state. The Simeons could return a la a modern antagonistic MechaGodzilla. The Seatopians could see the Xilien's plan backfire and think the time is right to invade the surface. The Red Bamboo could attack the world's cities to cripple it further. Really, there are a number of things you could do with a continuation of Final Wars.


That could work, but most of the interesting or great monsters from Final Wars were destroyed by Godzilla. Not only that, but they were taken out so quickly and within such an unfair fashion.

Honestly, I doubt fans want to continue from a universe in which the mighty King of Terror was destroyed in one film, or in which Hedorah and Gigan are killed mostly without effort at all. Why not choose to create a new universe and introduce those monsters more properly and give them a real chance to shine?

Plus! Mutant soldiers, do you really want them back to do more matrix/Storm Riders action? I kinda doubt it. ;)
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby JVM » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:52 pm

GFW may be a terrible, terrible film, at least as far as everyone else is concerned, but I think it would be fun to revisit and build on that universe - we could even add new stuff to explain the flaws of that original a bit better.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:59 pm

If I could tell Toho to make another Showa era film, that would essentially be a continuation of old ideas from that series, I would love to see the Red Bamboo digging up the remains of MechaGodzilla, rebuilding him, and then having the new MechaGodzilla take on some monsters on Monster Island. Bonus points if the film is set in modern day Japan, and the world's views on monsters has changed since they've essentially been in locked up for over 10 years.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Legion1979 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:02 pm

Wouldn't it be cool if Toho had the balls to create a universe where the monsters already exist, don't need to be explained and are all designed the way they were in the old days. You know, the way Tsuburaya does it now.

But Toho doesn't have balls and they feel the need to reinvent the wheel with every movie. So that ain't happening.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Tormentor » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:09 pm

Legion1979 wrote:Wouldn't it be cool if Toho had the balls to create a universe where the monsters already exist, don't need to be explained and are all designed the way they were in the old days. You know, the way Tsuburaya does it now.

But Toho doesn't have balls and they feel the need to reinvent the wheel with every movie. So that ain't happening.


Why not? Is Toho afraid of falling at the task or something? Or is it a matter of demand and popularity, and of course, interest for another Godzilla film?
(Please excuse my ignorance, I really don't know how the whole system with Toho and their mind process with their films work)
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby DoctorMafune » Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:41 pm

Seeing the commercial success of films like Always: Sunset on Third Street and its sequels — very nostalgic for a lot of the older movie-goers in Japan — I can't help wondering if Toho couldn't cash in on a similar appeal with 'period' Godzilla films, set in the 1960s.

They could be selective about what makes the transition from the actual Showa movies to any neo-Showa productions. And I'd love to see them sculpt the monsters in classic styles.

The older members of the audience might enjoy this, and it's possible that kids would also groove on it... seeing how fantasy films set in earlier periods can appeal to that demographic, too.

And neo-Showa films would have to appeal to the kids at least as much as the adults. I remember reading in business magazines in the 90s that Toho made a lot more money on toy sales than ticket sales, from the Heisei films.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Gyaos » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:03 pm

Though I'd much rather see a continuation of the Heisei series, a Showa series sequel would be great as well.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby tymon » Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:29 am

Legion1979 wrote:Wouldn't it be cool if Toho had the balls to create a universe where the monsters already exist, don't need to be explained and are all designed the way they were in the old days. You know, the way Tsuburaya does it now.


Agreed, this would be ideal. I hate how the 90's and especially 00 films are so bogged down by exposition; and you can't beat the oldschool designs, sounds and SFX IMO.

I also agree with whoever mentioned Monster Island - such a great idea with so much potential, why it hasn't been explored since the Showa era is beyond me.
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Re: Could Anyone See Toho Create A Modern Showa Era?

Postby Tamura » Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:02 am

I think it would be awesome to see modern Toho kaiju films done in the old style but with new ideas. There's no chance it will happen, of course.
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