How Did The Xillians Controll King Caesar?

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Postby bearijuana » Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:26 am

TokyoVigilante wrote:"Golem" is thrown around because it's only slightly less absurd then calling him a "Magic Lion Man Robot Terminator".



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There. A Cut away of King Caesar's internal bits. What appears to be cast iron skeleton, an arrangement of brick beneath his skin protecting what looks like something that could be fairly called a generator made out of crystal.

So, how does he take his shits?
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Re: How Did The Xillians Controll King Caesar?

Postby Patrick Alan » Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:35 am

The whole Hedorah being controlled is a good question too, but how do we know he was being controlled? Maybe Hedorah just was in the wrong place at the wrong time. For all we know, he was already there before the Xillians transported Ebirah into the water, and he just got caught in the cross fire.
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Re: How Did The Xillians Controll King Caesar?

Postby Living Corpse » Thu Mar 08, 2012 6:50 am

Patrick Alan wrote:The whole Hedorah being controlled is a good question too, but how do we know he was being controlled? Maybe Hedorah just was in the wrong place at the wrong time. For all we know, he was already there before the Xillians transported Ebirah into the water, and he just got caught in the cross fire.


That...would actually explain a lot. It wasn't the filmmakers intent but had they gone that route it would have been kinda cool knowing that there were still a few monster not under control who ended up running into controlled monsters and like Godzilla and Mothra are forced to fight them because the Xillians are all like "sure why not" and try to have their controlled monsters subdue them so they can take control of the ones they missed or destroy ones they can't control.

But that wasn't the film makers intent. Still it would have been a cool side story, but anyways Hedorah feeds on a lot of crap some of it literally crap and not all trash is inorganic some pollutants have organic stuff you would normally find in living things so I don't think it's far fetched that M-Base could work in him considering some of the trash he feeds off of is organic in nature.
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Re: How Did The Xillians Controll King Caesar?

Postby Tyler » Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:38 pm

Shadow wrote:Or a giant pile of whale shit possesed by the souls of the krill to strike terror in our hearts.


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Re: How Did The Xillians Controll King Caesar?

Postby edgaguirus » Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:30 pm

Who's to say that Hedorium or whatever the GFW Hedorah is made of isn't a living mineral? Outside of Earth, there could be silcon based life, life that could have an M base, or M base implanted so it could be controled.
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Re: How Did The Xillians Controll King Caesar?

Postby Chompamunchasaurus » Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:25 am

bearijuana wrote:
TokyoVigilante wrote:"Golem" is thrown around because it's only slightly less absurd then calling him a "Magic Lion Man Robot Terminator".



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There. A Cut away of King Caesar's internal bits. What appears to be cast iron skeleton, an arrangement of brick beneath his skin protecting what looks like something that could be fairly called a generator made out of crystal.

So, how does he take his shits?

He looks at weird images on the internet and then he shits bricks.
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Re: How Did The Xillians Controll King Caesar?

Postby Arbok » Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:46 pm

Patrick Alan wrote:In Godzilla: Final Wars King Caesar was one of the monsters being controlled, but is that even possible? The Xillians controlled the monsters by screwing with their DNA, but King Caesar should'nt even have DNA, he's a golem! A giant rock! How did they controll him?


While no definitive answer has been given, it seems by most accounts that the Millennium version of the character is probably an organic creature or at least not a golem like its Showa counterpart.

Besides the fact that its eyes are no longer red gems, the creature used to weigh 50% more than Godzilla by contrast due to what he was made of. The Millennium version, however, actually weighs less than the similar sized Godzilla, Anguirus, Rodan, Gigan and even Ebirah. So I would argue that he was probably thought of as a living, breathing creature when the Millennium version was concepted.
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Re: How Did The Xillians Controll King Caesar?

Postby Patrick Alan » Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:13 pm

Arbok wrote:While no definitive answer has been given, it seems by most accounts that the Millennium version of the character is probably an organic creature or at least not a golem like its Showa counterpart. Besides the fact that its eyes are no longer red gems, the creature used to weigh 50% more than Godzilla by contrast due to what he was made of. The Millennium version, however, actually weighs less than the similar sized Godzilla, Anguirus, Rodan, Gigan and even Ebirah. So I would argue that he was probably thought of as a living, breathing creature when the Millennium version was concepted.


Thank you Arbok, that does seem to be thee case, although I detest the major changes done to King Caesar....

It seems a lot like the Zilla and Godzilla thing, you know?
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Re: How Did The Xillians Controll King Caesar?

Postby Patrick Alan » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:16 pm

KC being a Golem is a HUGE deal, that's what he was, then they go and change that and make him living. It was just like when the made Godzilla completly a dinosaur in 1998. It would be like Mothra destroying the world, it a huge drastic change that makes the monsters not themselves anymore.
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Re: How Did The Xillians Controll King Caesar?

Postby Patrick Alan » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:43 pm

it may have had no impact in the movie, but it's still what made him, him!
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Re: How Did The Xillians Controll King Caesar?

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:47 pm

Patrick Alan wrote:it may have had no impact in the movie, but it's still what made him, him!


If it had no impact on the film, as well as something that wasn't stated in the film, then it doesn't make King Ceasar King Ceasar.
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Re: How Did The Xillians Controll King Caesar?

Postby Patrick Alan » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:50 pm

it kinda does
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Re: How Did The Xillians Controll King Caesar?

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:00 pm

Patrick Alan wrote:it kinda does


Why?

You could watch Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla without ever thinking that King Ceasar is a golem, and it has no impact on the film, nor the character of King Ceasar. Therefore, it doesn't matter.
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Re: How Did The Xillians Controll King Caesar?

Postby Patrick Alan » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:05 pm

Well, his eyes for one matter, his gem eyes reflecting Mecha G's beam's
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Re: How Did The Xillians Controll King Caesar?

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:07 pm

Patrick Alan wrote:Well, his eyes for one matter, his gem eyes reflecting Mecha G's beam's


...Having "gem eyes" doesn't make King Ceasar a golem.

Just like Godzilla 2000, I had no idea that King Ceasar was a golem until I saw that picture that proved he was one. It really didn't change the way I looked at King Ceasar.
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Re: How Did The Xillians Controll King Caesar?

Postby Patrick Alan » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:34 pm

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:Just like Godzilla 2000

what did Godzilla 2000 have to do with anything?

Having gem eyes isn't something that a living creature should have!
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Re: How Did The Xillians Controll King Caesar?

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:39 pm

Patrick Alan wrote:
GotengoXGodzilla wrote:Just like Godzilla 2000

what did Godzilla 2000 have to do with anything?


...He said the same thing that happened to me.

In case this wasn't obvious enough, I wasn't talking about the movie, Godzilla 2000.

Having gem eyes isn't something that a living creature should have!


...Says who?

We're talking about giant lizards that shot fire out of their mouths, and three-headed space dragons that shot "gravity bolts". A creature who has "gem eyes" isn't any more "out there" than other kaiju.
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Re: How Did The Xillians Controll King Caesar?

Postby Patrick Alan » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:41 pm

but none have object planted in there eye sockets
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Re: How Did The Xillians Controll King Caesar?

Postby edgaguirus » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:42 pm

Having gem eyes is tamer than some ideas Toho's had, like roaches from outer space.
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Re: How Did The Xillians Controll King Caesar?

Postby Living Corpse » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:45 pm

edgaguirus wrote:Having gem eyes is tamer than some ideas Toho's had, like roaches from outer space.


And even some ideas that were thought of but never made it far.
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Re: How Did The Xillians Controll King Caesar?

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:49 pm

Patrick Alan wrote:but none have object planted in there eye sockets


You're missing the point.

The concept of King Caesar is no more "out there" than most other Toho monsters. It's not directly stated in the film that he is a golem, therefore it really doesn't change anything about his character for me.
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