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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Legion1979 » Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:30 pm

SaiyanRider54 wrote:I'm sure that MA will get all the FW designs eventually, IF this makes a lot of money.


You're most likely going to be disappointed. I'm not going out of my way to be a Debbie Downer, but I'm being realistic here. Bandai is very stingy with Godzilla. They always have been. Hell, even the Ultra Act line - for all the heroes it's done - has really only done a very tiny handful of monsters.

I mean just look at the other Figuarts lines! They have multiple re-paints of the same figure over and over again, and lots of figures from Showa and Heisei eras. I'm sure they'll do all the FW designs if they want to.


They won't want to. The fact of the matter is that - even if this line sells well - Godzilla doesn't have a large presence in Japan anymore and Bandai is very careful with how they merchandise him now. The last few movies didn't do well at all (a couple bombed) and we're lucky we're getting anything at all at this point. I think it's really not in anyone's best interests to sit here and dream too big about this huge figure line consisting all every monster from every Godzilla era. You're going to be let down if you do. So far the line seems very strong out of the gate and - regardless of how I feel about what era they're concentrating on - they've begun by giving us some of the bigger names in the Godzilla series such as Godzilla himself, Mechagodzilla, Space Godzilla and eventually Rodan and King Ghidora. Even in the '90s when the movies were doing well and the toys were being produced at a faster rate, most of the more obscure characters were ignored. And that's only gotten worse as time has gone by. For whatever reason we're missing major figures like the original Rodan and Ghidora, Baragon and Megalon in the vinyl series, not to mention the fact that Bandai wouldn't go near the lower tier FW monsters even when the movie was brand new. I don't see them saying, "Hey, you know what would sell? An entire line of Final Wars monsters. The complete set. All in a high-end line that costs anywhere from $50-$70+!!"

I'd eat my hat if they did, but I don't think they're that stupid. This line of thinking I'm seeing ("This series is going to be so successful that we're going to get EVERYONE! I can't wait!") is cute but not at all realistic. I think people are letting that high of finally getting a new Godzilla toy series that breaks free of the old vinyl figures get the better of them.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby RedZillaKing » Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:28 pm

I'll be happy with a FW Anguirus. Anything beyond that will be icing on the cake. If we get a Manda (which I seriously doubt) I sure hope it's the excellent redesign. Out of all the excellent FW monster designs his sticks out the most as actually surpassing the original.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby ZillaMaster91 » Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:40 pm

RedZillaKing wrote:I'll be happy with a FW Anguirus. Anything beyond that will be icing on the cake. If we get a Manda (which I seriously doubt) I sure hope it's the excellent redesign. Out of all the excellent FW monster designs his sticks out the most as actually surpassing the original.


I can easily see MonsterArt releases of fan favorites such as Anguirus, Rodan, and Gigan in their FW designs. But I highly doubt we'll see anything beyond that unfortunately.

What I really want IF they do a Millennium Line is a MonsterArts Godzilla (from GxMG and Tokyo SOS) and Kiryu. It could work that one figure is released for both films. While the figures themselves are released in their appearances from GxMG, their web exclusives could include parts that can be used to change the figures into their Tokyo SOS designs. Godzilla's Web Exclusive could be a replaceable chest with the scar on it, and perhaps a Kameba carcass as well while the Kiryu's Web Exclusive could be the parts from Tokyo SOS such as his shoulder pack, wrist cannons, alternate right arm, alternate chest, Triple Maser Cannon, and perhaps a damaged head.

It's wishful thinking, but it would be a good idea.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:41 pm

If we were to get FW monsters, I would be hoping for a Monster X and a Keizer Ghidorah. After all, they are the original monsters of this movie. For other monster designs, probably Gigan, Manda, or Hedorah.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby ZillaMaster91 » Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:44 pm

I wouldn't call Keizer Ghidorah 'original' since it's just another version of King Ghidorah.

But I can see your point for Monster X. He would actually be good as a MonsterArts release. His build is much more humanoid, which would mean better articulation for posing.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby RedZillaKing » Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:48 pm

Ya know wut? I'd love a Monster X.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Rody » Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:58 pm

Wouldn't Monster X be the absolute WORST POSSIBLE choice of a figure for Bandai to make? I had the impression the Japanese practically hate that kaiju.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:00 pm

Rody wrote:Wouldn't Monster X be the absolute WORST POSSIBLE choice of a figure for Bandai to make? I had the impression the Japanese practically hate that kaiju.


True, true. I'm just stating my preferred choices if they were to even do FW monsters.

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You know, Monster X would go really well with the Ultra Act monsters.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Godzilla 2000 » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:04 pm

Rody wrote:Wouldn't Monster X be the absolute WORST POSSIBLE choice of a figure for Bandai to make?


Of course not!

There's still X Seijin.

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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Rody » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:07 pm

^ Very funny, G2000. ;)

If I were to choose future figures for Monsterarts, I would choose the kaiju from GMK & the Kiryu saga; we got some great designs there.

Of course, Showa kaiju would be great as well....
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby RedZillaKing » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:08 pm

Rody wrote:Wouldn't Monster X be the absolute WORST POSSIBLE choice of a figure for Bandai to make? I had the impression the Japanese practically hate that kaiju.

Apparently being in a bad movie automatically makes you a bad kaiju. I'm personally glad people weren't so narrow minded when Gigan and Hedorah debuted. It's a totally foreign mindset for me. I love the Godzilla series equally across the board.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Godzilla 2000 » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:12 pm

RedZillaKing wrote:
Rody wrote:Wouldn't Monster X be the absolute WORST POSSIBLE choice of a figure for Bandai to make? I had the impression the Japanese practically hate that kaiju.

Apparently being in a bad movie automatically makes you a bad kaiju.


Nope. Being a bad kaiju makes you a bad kaiju.

Monster X just isnt interesting at all.

-Bland color scheme
-No special powers outside of spamming beams
-Looks like a bad super sentai villian
-Roar is uninteresting
-His best attribute is being able to transform into a shittier version of King Ghidorah
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:13 pm

For Showa kaiju, if they were to take that rout instead, I would be hoping for a King Ghidorah, Mechagodzilla, Titanosaurus, Kumonga, and Kamacuras. Ooh, and a Varan and Gorosaurus too, although that would be a bit unlikely.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby RedZillaKing » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:19 pm

Godzilla 2000 wrote:
RedZillaKing wrote:
Rody wrote:Wouldn't Monster X be the absolute WORST POSSIBLE choice of a figure for Bandai to make? I had the impression the Japanese practically hate that kaiju.

Apparently being in a bad movie automatically makes you a bad kaiju.


Nope. Being a bad kaiju makes you a bad kaiju.

Monster X just isnt interesting at all.

-Bland color scheme
-No special powers outside of spamming beams
-Looks like a bad super sentai villian
-Roar is uninteresting
-His best attribute is being able to transform into a shittier version of King Ghidorah

Not going to defend him to the death because he's far from my favorite. However, I love his look personally. He looks like a skeleton of a monster.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby PopInPicsPresents » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:31 pm

Godzilla 2000 wrote:
RedZillaKing wrote:-Roar is uninteresting


More like a guttural groan/growl. He sounds bored to be honest.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby GreenAiden555 » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:53 pm

Here's an idea:

We want what we want. Will we get it? Mebbe.

All I need from this line is a Destoroyah, King Ghidorah, and a Biollante, and I'll be happy.

If they do a Kiryu, G2K, Orga, Battra, Titano, Megalon, or FW Gigan, (preferably in that order, from most to least want (Kiryu ad G2K tied)), well, shit, that'd be icing on the cake for me!

And I'm 6'2" @ 250 lbs, so you KNOW I love my icing...
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby G1985 » Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:58 am

GreenAiden555 wrote:Here's an idea: We want what we want....

That's good enough for me!

GreenAiden555 wrote:All I need from this line is a Destoroyah, King Ghidorah, and a Biollante, and I'll be happy
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I need a G85, a G91, and a Mecha King Ghidorah. I'd love to see a G85 effects pack that includes a new narrower breath effect, a Super-X (with swappable parts like the Super-X2 has) and some laser trucks. The G91 effects pack needs to have a Godzillasaurus, the KIDS timeship, and MKG's machine hand. Throw in a decapitated KG head while we're at it :)
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Petezilla » Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:00 am

Personally, I can dislike a movie while still adore its monster designs. Like "Final Wars". I think of it being the worst G movie ever (after Gino), but I love the costumes. In regards to the figures I'd buy, not the movie the character appeared in counts, but the design and personality of that monster. In case of Final Wars I'd have bought every single monster from the movie in vinyl figure form, but BANDAI just said "no, you're not gonna get them, because the film got bad reviews". The film, yes, but not the monsters that were in it. I've never heard someone saying that the monsters were bad a all. Is it really true that BANDAI escaped the Final Wars line back in 2004/05 because of the figures being bad sellers? I can't really believe that. At least from my point of view (being a customer) the movie quality itself doesn't decide on my buying behavior.

If the FW figures really sold bad, then I can tell you why: The main customer group for the BANDAI vinyl figures are kids. Kids don't have have much money to spend on several 8" figures, which are around 2,000 JPY and up from scratch. A 6" figure costs 800 JPY. What brings me to the next point and in my opinion the main flaw of the whole BANDAI FW series: the figures are totally out of scale to each other all over the place. Who really wants to display such optical mess in his collection shelf? 8" Godzilla, Gigan, Gigan II, Monster X and Mothra? Fine. 8" Godzilla and Kaiser Ghidorah? Meh... 8" Godzilla and 6" Anguirus and Rodan? Meh... 6" Anguirus and Rodan and 8" Kaiser Ghidorah? Fine again. And then there are Minilla and Alien X... without words. There's even only little solace in the release of a 6" Godzilla, Gigan and Mothra a year later, because Gigan II, Monster X, Minilla (and Alien X) are still totally off in scale compared to the rest of the movie's figures being in 6" scale (and the 8" Kaiser Ghiddi matching perfectly with the 6" figures). Plus all the missing monsters that never got made, probably partially because of BANDAI's own dumbness of having fear to get bad sellers. Why not just sell them in limited boxed sets or as online shop exclusives then? They do this all the time with other figure series'. Better get no money at all, than a little bit of? I can't quite understand.... However, I'm sorry for diving offtopic this much, it just came to my mind because of the discussion. Maybe things are just a bit different in Japan...

Long talk, short message: I really hope they do better with the S.H.MonsterArts line, if they should decide to branch out into the more obscure. At least scale-wise they seem to do better already. I still have hopes like many of you, but at the same time I'm not very confident, like some others of you.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Primevalgodzilla V2 » Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:03 am

I think the thing here is- why the FW versions? I suppose the other incarnations of Anguirus and Rodan are already getting or have gotten similar figures, but if they do a King Caesar, a Kumonga or even Manda, the Showa versions would be ideal. If they do another Godzilla, I'd prefer a Mosu-Goji or a Daisenso-Goji. For Mothra, FW Mothra and SOS Mothra are essentially the same prop from what I have heard.
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Re: SH Monsterarts!

Postby Manda2012 » Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:20 pm

The only beastie from FW I'd dig on, is Monster X, 'cuz it's something new. Skip the rest & go do the Showa originals. I'd still like MA Orga & Megaguirus to be made.
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