Eleking (Ultra Galaxy) vs. Gigan (Showa)

[RedZillaKing]

Are you somehow unaware of Eleking's attack where he wraps his opponent and electrocutes them?

[Godzilla 2000]

Are you somehow unaware of Eleking's attack where he wraps his opponent and electrocutes them?

Who said anything about that? I'm talking about straight up tail whipping.

And given the shape of Gigan's body (what with the wings and GIANT BUZZSAW SPIKES STICKING OUT OF HIS BELLY) I dont see Eleking trying that attack.

[RedZillaKing]

I wasn't talking about tail whipping. And unless Eleking somehow magically knows that it's a buzzsaw I don't see why he wouldn't wrap him. Eleking has an exceptionally long tail which could easily loop around Gigan, wings and all.

[Godzilla 2000]

I wasn't talking about tail whipping.

Yeah, I know you werent. I was.

And unless Eleking somehow magically knows that it's a buzzsaw

He doesnt need to know its a buzzsaw. Eleking is smart enough to put 2 and 2 together.

"THAT GUY IS COVERED IN SPIKES. SPIKES HURT. DONT TOUCH THE SPIKES."

I don't see why he wouldn't wrap him. Eleking has an exceptionally long tail which could easily loop around Gigan, wings and all.

I'm not saying it cant loop around. Just that I think its unlikely given the awkward shape of Gigan's body. Besides that, even if Eleking was stupid enough to do that, wouldnt Eleking feel the pinch in his tail and let go? Or would Gigan be able to activate his saw while being shocked to death?

I mean, its not like he can just ignore it. A nervous system sends "messages" in the form of electric currents to and from the brain. That system goes out of whack while the body is being electrocuted. Thats why tasers are so affective.

I suppose you could say the buzzsaw might be inadvertently activated during all this but, thats taking it to a level of nerd that I really want to avoid.

[RedZillaKing]

Toho kaiju pretty much ignore spikes.... I doubt Eleking will even care. I also doubt Eleking's shocks will paralyze Gigan to the point of being completely immobile. That being said, I think EK's electric finisher will make Gigan retreat... At the least.

[Godzilla 2000]

Toho kaiju pretty much ignore spikes....

Thats swell.

But Eleking isnt a Toho kaiju. And he's a pretty smart fighter.

I doubt Eleking will even care. I also doubt Eleking's shocks will paralyze Gigan to the point of being completely immobile.

He doesnt need to completely immobile for it to be effective.


But this is far from a crucial point since UG Eleking does way more than grab and shock opponents with his tail.

[RedZillaKing]

Thats swell.

But Eleking isnt a Toho kaiju. And he's a pretty smart fighter.

No shit Sherlock. However, avoiding the spikes will severely limit his offensive options since Gigan is all sharp and pointy. Also, what self respecting kaiju avoids spikes? If that truly is the case, then EK's severely out of his league... Seriously, though, I really just think he'll strike without paying heed to the many sharp parts of Gigan's body.

He doesnt need to completely immobile for it to be effective.

I agree but that means he'll still be able to use his saw.

But this is far from a crucial point since UG Eleking does way more than grab and shock opponents with his tail.

I agree. Just pointing out why I don't think his tail wrap is a viable option.

[Godzilla 2000]

No shit Sherlock.

So we agree he wont try it? Good. Then there's no point in discussing it further.

However, avoiding the spikes will severely limit his offensive options since Gigan is all sharp and pointy.

Gigan has his claws and buzzsaw. Thats it. He's not a porcupine.

Eleking can still smack a bitch with his EVERYTHING. He just cant hit the saw, and avoid the claws.

Also, what self respecting kaiju avoids spikes?

The kind that dont want to risk get hurt?

Like seriously, what a dumb statement.

I agree. Just pointing out why I don't think his tail wrap is a viable option.

Which is exactly why he wont try it and why its pointless to even talk about it, because its certainly not a "make-or-break" point. So lets just move on from this retarded spike thing.

[RedZillaKing]

So he basically just has to avoid Gigan's head, claws, stomach and feet? Okay! This one's in the bag!

Anyway, yeah. Gigan's got a lot more going for him than Dorako, both offensively and defensively. And Dorako was winning until ZAP SPACY's intervention. I'm leaning toward Gigan, 7/10.

Oh and by the way I was saying "no shit" to your obvious statement about EK not being a Toho kaiju.

[Godzilla 2000]

So he basically just has to avoid Gigan's head, claws, stomach and feet? Okay! This one's in the bag!

Are you skreeonk' kidding me with this shit?

Wow.



Ya know, Godzilla sure seemed to have no issue with the spikes while he was beating on Gigan in GvsMegalon and Zone Fighter. Why it would be any different for Eleking?

Oh right, he's an Ultra kaiju, and they're all cannon fodder right?

Anyway, yeah. Gigan's got a lot more going for him than Dorako, both offensively and defensively. And Dorako was winning until ZAP SPACY's intervention. I'm leaning toward Gigan, 7/10.

[RedZillaKing]

Are you seriously that dense? My whole statement that Eleking wouldn't avoid the spikes relates directly to the fact that I don't think he's cannon fodder.

You're contradicting yourself every other post. One post you're saying he has to avoid the spikes and claws, the next you're saying he doesn't. Make up your mind.

My statement was that he would likely not avoid the spikes just like Toho kaiju. Basically you just came to the same conclusion after several contradictory statements.

Can you drop the Ultra fan inferiority complex shit? You're not the only Ultra fan on these boards. You may just be the most butthurt, though. And laughing doesn't equal a counterargument.

[Godzilla 2000]

Are you seriously that dense? My whole statement that Eleking wouldn't avoid the spikes relates directly to the fact that I don't think he's cannon fodder.

What sense does that make?

Not being cannon fodder = being unable to avoid the spikes?

You're contradicting yourself every other post.

Please show me where these magical contradicting posts are.

One post you're saying he has to avoid the spikes and claws, the next you're saying he doesn't. Make up your mind.

I thought I made myself clear enough; Eleking can avoid the spikes (just like Godzilla did). The only ones that are of any reverence here are Gigan's claws and the saw, which Gigan doesnt even use in close combat.

And please learn how to debate.

My statement was that he would likely not avoid the spikes just like Toho kaiju. Basically you just came to the same conclusion after several contradictory statements.

I like how you failed to acknowledge my point about how Godzilla managed to avoid them just fine, and that theres nothing stopping Eleking from doing the same.

Can you drop the Ultra fan inferiority complex shit? You're not the only Ultra fan on these boards. You may just be the most butthurt, though. And laughing doesn't equal a counterargument.

[RedZillaKing]

What sense does that make?

Not being cannon fodder = being unable to avoid the spikes?

Who said he was unable to avoid the spikes? I said he'd ignore them. Like any self respecting kaiju. Wouldn't is not the same as couldn't. Please read arguments before responding.

Please show me where these magical contradicting posts are.

They're not so much "magical" as they are "ignorant" and "hostile".

First you said EK would be hurt by spikes. I responded by comparing him with Toho kaiju who aren't hurt by spikes, stating that I doubt EK would care. Then you implied that EK wouldn't want to risk being hurt and that he'd avoid the spikes. Again. So I sarcastically stated that he'd just have to avoid Gigan's everything (since you continued to push the argument that EK was at risk from the spikes). Then in response to my sarcastic statement you did a complete 180 and inplied that the spikes didn't hurt Godzilla so they wouldn't hurt EK either. No skreeonk duh. You came to the exact conclusion I did.... Only much later. EK wouldn't avoid Gigan's chest spikes because no self respecting kaiju goes around spikes.

One post you're saying he has to avoid the spikes and claws, the next you're saying he doesn't. Make up your mind.

I thought I made myself clear enough; Eleking can avoid the spikes (just like Godzilla did). The only ones that are of any reverence here are Gigan's claws and the saw, which Gigan doesnt even use in close combat.

And please learn how to debate.

So again he's avoiding the chest spikes. And bullshit he doesn't use it in close combat. Tell that to Anguirus. You should learn how to debate. Smilies are a moron's argument.

I like how you failed to acknowledge my point about how Godzilla managed to avoid them just fine, and that theres nothing stopping Eleking from doing the same.

You said nothing about avoiding the spikes. Only that Goji didn't have issues with them, implying that they didn't hurt him. A correct statement. Your "cannon fodder" comment only confirms your intent.

:lol:

Yeah that seems about right.

As I saw before, if EK has issues with spikes he's gonna have real issues with Gigan.

[Godzilla 2000]

-sigh-

i miss the ol' days of the TK fantasy matches. People really knew how to debate back then.

Who said he was unable to avoid the spikes? I said he'd ignore them. Like any self respecting kaiju.

Will you quit slingin' that argument around like it has any merit? Because it doesnt.

First you said EK would be hurt by spikes.

Nope. I said he would manage just fine despite the claws.

"Oh he has giant claws, big deal. So did Dorako but Eleking managed just fine.

Oh he has the buzzsaw, big deal. He never used it in battle aside from blocking Anguirus and in his first fly-by on Godzilla."

"Your point? Its not gonna cripple him. Dorako's certainly didnt, and his claws are admittedly sharper."

I responded by comparing him with Toho kaiju who aren't hurt by spikes, stating that I doubt EK would care.

And which Toho kaiju arent hurt by spikes? Ghidorah in DAM while he was stomping Anguirus. Thats it.

Then you implied that EK wouldn't want to risk being hurt and that he'd avoid the spikes.

Yes I did.

"He doesnt need to know its a buzzsaw. Eleking is smart enough to put 2 and 2 together.

"THAT GUY IS COVERED IN SPIKES. SPIKES HURT. DONT TOUCH THE SPIKES."

Eleking, like I've been saying, would know to avoid hitting the spikes on Gigan's body, because they might hurt him.

Again. So I sarcastically stated that he'd just have to avoid Gigan's everything (since you continued to push the argument that EK was at risk from the spikes). Then in response to my sarcastic statement you did a complete 180 and inplied that the spikes didn't hurt Godzilla so they wouldn't hurt EK either. No skreeonk duh. You came to the exact conclusion I did.... Only much later.

Dont put words in my mouth. I never said they didnt/couldnt hurt Godzilla. I said he had no problem beating up Gigan despite Gigan having spikes. My argument is that Eleking, like Godzilla, isnt a stupid fighter, and he would be able to avoid hurting himself like Godzilla was able to. Why? Because the spikes might hurt him.

See that? I'm giving reasons for my arguments. Try it sometime.

PIPP (and you to an extent) suggested that Eleking would have trouble with the spikes and thus be at a disadvantage. I said Eleking would recognize the potential threat that the spikes would present, and thus take care to avoid them, LIKE GODZILLA DID. I also said that the spikes didnt prove to be such an issue for Godzilla, who is just as good a physical fighter as Eleking, so why should they be an issue now?

Simply put, it's because those of you who think Gigan will win are honestly grasping at straws.

EK wouldn't avoid Gigan's chest spikes because no self respecting kaiju goes around spikes.

So are you implying that Godzilla isnt a self-respecting kaiju because he didnt jab himself on Gigan's spikes?

This is an incredibly stupid statement. You're saying that any monster who isnt a complete wimp shouldnt bother worrying about being pricked or stabbed by spikes. Why? Just because you think its "muy macho?" Get that shit outta here, it dont fly with me.

So again he's avoiding the chest spikes. And bullshit he doesn't use it in close combat. Tell that to Anguirus. You should learn how to debate.

Did you forget the part about how Anguirus RAN RIGHT INTO THE DAMN THING?

Gigan just stood there and blocked his path. He didnt do anything but threaten Angy with it.

You said nothing about avoiding the spikes. Only that Goji didn't have issues with them,

"He doesnt need to know its a buzzsaw. Eleking is smart enough to put 2 and 2 together.

"THAT GUY IS COVERED IN SPIKES. SPIKES HURT. DONT TOUCH THE SPIKES."

"Gigan has his claws and buzzsaw. Thats it. He's not a porcupine.

Eleking can still smack a bitch with his EVERYTHING. He just cant hit the saw, and avoid the claws."

implying that they didn't hurt him. A correct statement. Your "cannon fodder" comment only confirms your intent.

Sorry to say but no, thats not what I was implying.

So again I say; learn to debate.

Or better yet, just back out now and save me the headache. You're not convincing anyone.

Hell, while I'm at it, i might as well ask why you're even debating the whole spikes thing. It's not a gamebreaking point, and Eleking isnt at some huge disadvantage. The worst that could happen is that Gigan uses his saw to cut off part of Eleking's tail. is that so crippling?

NO. Eleking still has his arms, legs, and ranged attacks. So I dont see how Gigan could possibly overcome that.

[GodzillaXGomoraFight]

After seeing the video, I am rooting for Gigan on this one. From what I've seen of Eleking, he seems to like going up close for combat, and that won't work well with Gigan. Eleking's only chance of victory here is to spam, but Gigan can always avoid his beams through flight. In the video with Dorako, Eleking was being pulverized by his claws (much like Gigan's) until he was shot by a crap-load of missiles. In addition to claws, Gigan has the buzzsaw and enough durability to fight Godzilla extensively in Godzilla vs. Gigan. It could be close, but Gigan will emerge as the victor if Eleking fights up close.

[Kaiju-King42]

... Since when? All I saw was sparks when he hit Eleking.

Point is, just because a monster's weapon looks sharper, doesn't mean it actually is.

Do sparks fly when they punch each other? No.

Kick each other? No.

Tail whip each other? Again, no.

Eleking being struck by Dorako's claw hooks is accompanied by sparks (and a very "slicely" sound effect), which would imply he is being struck or cut by a sharp object. Thats just how toku FX work. Dont believe me? Here's an example: Go rewatch the final battle involving Chainsaw Gigan and Monster X in Final Wars. Gigan's chainsaw hands struck Goji (and MX), and were accompanied by, you guessed it, sparks.

The reason we dont see a deep cut or blood on the suit is because, simply, they dont wish to damage and repair their own costumes, especially if they might have to do another take.

So obviously they have to be even a little bit sharp. Dorako certainly didnt slap him with it.

FW Gigan's chainsaw was never that sharp to begin with either. It couldn't even cut payment properly. Instead, it acted like threads and pulled him along. If it was really as sharp as it looked, it would have cut right through and Gigan wouldn't have gone anywhere.

Also, you know what else had showed sparks without sharp weapons? Godzilla and Battra's brief melee match, Godzilla vs Rodan heisei... you know what? The Majority of the heisei melee fights had sparks.

I am so skreeonk' sick of hearing this "lol ultra kaiju are cannon fodder" bullshit argument.

So are you saying what applies to some must apply to all?

I said most ultra kaiju weren't that durable, not all of them. And even then, I never outright said cannon fodder. I tend to compare the Ultra kaiju's durability to that of the Showa Gamera monsters, and even then, you have some very durable ones here and there.

[PopInPicsPresents]

After actually watching the battles Gigan was in I'd say if the two were to get up close Gigan would probably kick the shit out of Eleking. His claws pack one helluva punch. Eleking seemed to have trouble with Dorako which is pretty bad. It wasn't until the missile attack weakened Dorako that Eleking got the edge in the battle. Eleking's best bet would be too hang back and use his Electric Ray but he almost never uses it more then once. And Gigan would probably close the gap between them and go for a fly by buzz saw attack. He did this 4-5 times in succession to Godzilla.

And, more often then not, Ultra kaiju have FW durability.

[Kaiju-King42]

And, more often then not, Ultra kaiju have FW durability.

I wouldn't say it's like that. It's not like there're getting killed by hand held weapons, or getting stabbed by power lines.

[PopInPicsPresents]

And, more often then not, Ultra kaiju have FW durability.

I wouldn't say it's like that. It's not like there're getting killed by hand held weapons, or getting stabbed by power lines.

Maybe I'm over doing it lol, what I meant was most Ultra kaiju are basically cannon fodder. There are a handful which are pretty powerful but more the most part, not so much.

[Kaiju-King42]

I still wouldn't say cannon fodder, just more like Showa Gamera durable. At least that' how I see the films. We all see kaiju and their power differently.