Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

[Destroyer]

...Dude, it's not a good idea to tell everyone which films you can't remember the names of the protagonists to. Doesn't make you look good.

....I don't see the huge deal in that. So people are going to question my intelligence for not remembering the names of the protagonists from the films? That's, that's just disappointing.

Also, if a film has one bad lead, then it's not a "masterpiece".

I think it's time I define "masterpiece" in this case.

Godzilla 2000 is a masterpiece in its terms because it succeeds in doing what the previous film failed to do: make a perfect modern jumping-on point G film.

Seriously, by referring to films like Godzilla 2000 and Godzilla: Final Wars as "masterpieces" really makes me think you don't know what a masterpiece is. Hate to break it to you, but there's only one Godzilla film that would have a chance at falling under the category of "masterpiece". There is a reason why I keep putting masterpiece in quotation marks, and it's not because I want to make what I say look fancy.

....I don't consider Final Wars to be a masterpiece. I *USED* to think it was the best G film, but not for awhile now. It's still my favorite, but I recognize it's not up there with the best G films.

If even one character is boring or uninteresting or entirely pointless, and this includes side characters, then the film is not a "masterpiece".

I think if a film has one really good characters(s), it could overrun the ones who are boring, if they aren't truly awful. But as I said above, I'm not defining "masterpiece" like that, I'm not comparing it with say The Dark Knight.

...Okay, if you don't like me calling him the villain, then I'll call him the antagonist. Either way, in the case of this story, he's the one trying to stop the protagonists from reaching their goals, which is exactly what a villain does.

I guess not 'evil' would be the better term in this case. Either way, I'm not saying he's the best human antagonist of all time, but stands above the norm.

[Goji]

Godzilla 2000 is a masterpiece in its terms because it succeeds in doing what the previous film failed to do: make a perfect modern jumping-on point G film.

That's not something that makes it worthy of being called a masterpiece. It's nothing of the sort. It's an average Godzilla film, at best.

....I don't consider Final Wars to be a masterpiece. I *USED* to think it was the best G film, but not for awhile now. It's still my favorite, but I recognize it's not up there with the best G films.

Yikes..It's seriously your favorite? I'm sorry to hear that.

I think if a film has one really good characters(s), it could overrun the ones who are boring, if they aren't truly awful. But as I said above, I'm not defining "masterpiece" like that, I'm not comparing it with say The Dark Knight.

This doesn't really many any sense..

[Destroyer]

That's not something that makes it worthy of being called a masterpiece. It's nothing of the sort. It's an average Godzilla film, at best.

Well, I don't see it that way. I would say it's above 'average,' and I'm talking about the American version. Just wanted to clarify on that.

Yikes..It's seriously your favorite? I'm sorry to hear that.

Yes, it's my favorite for various reasons. Not ashamed.

This doesn't really many any sense..

Examples, examples.....say a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Say one does not like jelly, but the person puts so much peanut butter, that it overruns the jelly. Maybe not the best analogy, but you get the point.

[Goji]

So it's average now? I thought you said it was a "masterpiece"? Make up your mind guy.

As for that garbled mess referencing THE DARK KNIGHT; Saying something like "This film is kind of a masterpiece" doesn't make any sense whatsoever, you do realize this, correct?

Look, the reason you're being compared to members like alienhulk is that it seems like half of the time you just hit the submit button without really reviewing what you're trying to say. I'm not talking about opinions, obviously everyone is entitled to theirs, but when you're literally saying things that don't make any sense, that's when you seem to get the most backlash

[Destroyer]

I just said I thought it was above 'average.' I think it shouldn't be considered just as an 'average Godzilla film' I think it's above that. Now, this is just what I think, but it's better than the majority of the Heisei films, all the Millennium films, (not counting GMK) and even some of the Showa ones. Vs. Gigan, Vs. Megalon, Raids Again,I think the film is too overlooked.

A masterpiece, because in a time where G was in limbo thanks to the 98 film, TOHO gave us this. A solid, jumping-on point. Underrated because fans really don't seem to like it.

Well I would rather not build up an infamous reputation, but I'd like to think I know what I'm saying. I guess I'll close the argument unless another reply comes in. I'm not trying to sound like a troll who just says things just say them, I'm just trying to establish what I think of the films.

[Goji]

You keep saying that the film is a masterpiece because "it's a good jumping off point". How does that translate to being a film that's the same caliber as GOJIRA? It doesn't. That's an incredibly stupid reason to label it as such.

The film may be underrated, I suppose, but it's not a masterpiece. Seriously, is there an echo in here? I feel like I've said the same shit to you like 7 times already.

I wouldn't say you're building a reputation, but then again, I don't spend time gossiping about members on the TK Facebook page, or anywhere else for that matter, so I don't really know what people are saying about you. Either way, I wouldn't worry about it.

[Destroyer]

GOJIRA is of course one of, and most probably the best G film.

A little off-topic, but what are the main differences between GOJIRA and its dub? Because now that I think about it, I don't remember the original Japanese version that well, only the dub.

The whole masterpiece thing is getting a bit repetitive, so I'll close it with this. Looking back, in a time when the 98 film came out, 2000 was a masterpiece. In its era, it was one.

Huh, I didn't know TOHO Kingdom had a Facebook page.

[Goji]

GOJIRA is of course one of, and most probably the best G film.

A little off-topic, but what are the main differences between GOJIRA and its dub? Because now that I think about it, I don't remember the original Japanese version that well, only the dub.

What's this have to do with anything? GOJIRA is the best Godzilla film, and always will be.

The "dub" of GOJIRA is a completely different version of the film; GODZILLA KING OF THE MONSTERS..

Looking back, in a time when the 98 film came out, 2000 was a masterpiece. In its era, it was one.

The film was never regarded as a masterpiece, even back then. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

[Destroyer]

What's this have to do with anything? GOJIRA is the best Godzilla film, and always will be.

The "dub" of GOJIRA is a completely different version of the film; GODZILLA KING OF THE MONSTERS..

I just wanted to double check on it, thanks.

The film was never regarded as a masterpiece, even back then. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Well, that's pretty much the point of the thread. Looking back, it really should have been considered as one. I think it should be appreciated more for what it is and was.

[Rody]

What's this have to do with anything? GOJIRA is the best Godzilla film, and always will be.

One could possibly argue that Mothra vs. Godzilla is better.

[Goji]

That's my personal favorite, so I can't really argue there.

I love the deathly serious approach to the original film, and everything about it, but MvsG feels like an almost "perfect" Godzilla film to me. I'm not trying to open up a can of worms here though, since this topic is about G2K.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

What's this have to do with anything? GOJIRA is the best Godzilla film, and always will be.

One could possibly argue that Mothra vs. Godzilla is better.

While Mothra vs. Godzilla is my favorite Godzilla film, I wouldn't say that it's a better film than Godzilla. It's the closest film to the original, but not quite as good.

And Destroyer, Godzilla 2000 is not a masterpiece. It never was, and it never will. I laugh at the reason (seriously only one reason, what the skreeonk?) for why you think it's a masterpiece. That's not a good reason at all. Hell, it's really not even a good starting off point, since this film doesn't lead to anything. It's not connected to any other Godzilla in any way, including the original. None of the other films are mentioned, and no other film ever mentions Godzilla 2000 again.

As both Goji and I have said, Godzilla 2000 is average. A masterpiece cannot be average. I seriously suggest you come up with a better definition of "masterpiece", or else no one is ever going to take you seriously.

[Hellspawn28]

Looking back, in a time when the 98 film came out, 2000 was a masterpiece. In its era, it was one.

No it was not! The film got mixed reviews in Japan as well and even made less then the Rebirth of Mothra films at the box office. The film even got mixed reviews when it was release in the US seeing that it has a 57% on Rottentomatoes. I know you love the film but the film is not very good in a realistic point of view.

[Legion1979]

I don't think Destroyer really knows what the term "masterpiece" even means.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

I don't think Destroyer really knows what the term "masterpiece" even means.

You and me both.

He's clearly stated that some of the characters are either boring or uninteresting, and I believe has said that the film is only slightly "above average". Yet he still claims that this film is "masterpiece", because "it's a good starting point"...

....

...If I act like I'm completely confused, it's only because I am.

[Legion1979]

It's like he's searching for a more appropriate term, but can't quite find it.

[Hellspawn28]

I don't think Destroyer really knows what the term "masterpiece" even means.

You and me both.

Me as well. I think this thread just went on long enough, I think Destroyer should just give up already.

[Destroyer]

For the record, I never said "slightly above average," I said "above average."

I'm eliminating the term 'masterpiece' from the title to avoid confusion.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

For the record, I never said "slightly above average," I said "above average."

...*sigh* Who the hell cares?

God, I am so sick and tired of people doing shit like this. They're nearly the same damn thing, so don't be so damn picky about it.

I'm eliminating the term 'masterpiece' from the title to avoid confusion.

Good job missing the point we were trying to make altogether.

[Svitska Donkun]

DISCLAIMER: When I say masterpiece, I mean in relation to the rest of Godzilla movies, which technically isn;t a high water-mark to reach.

Also, on Godzilla rushing into Orga's mouth, it was extremely obvious to me when I was seven that the sound emitting from Orga's mouth was hypnotizing Godzilla, ergo Orga had the opportunity to transform into him. Godzilla overcame it, hence the boom. And people say "Nuclear Pulse"...but it didn't look like a pulse..it looked like he fired his ray inside Orga and Orga combusted.