Talkback: Godzilla 2000 Millennium (1999)

[Goji]

I had a similar experience the first screening I went to. Some douche was laughing up a storm, but about a third of the way through, he shut up. Luckily, we didn't hear a peep out of him after that.

Was that right around the part when Godzilla was torching cops in Tokyo while a mother tries to comfort her kids?

I can't recall the exact scene when he stopped, but I do recall that it wasn't too far along in the film. Honestly, if he kept it up throughout, I was going to just complain about him at the front desk (This was at the American Film Institute here in MD by the way, a very prestigious venue, so they would have taken the complaint seriously), and just stuck around for another screening.

I did end up going to see it again the next day anyway.

[Destroyer]

You're kidding, right? When I say violent, I'm talking about actual bloodshed dude, and nothing beats the 70's films when it comes to that.

Fake Godzilla breaking Anguirus's jaw in GvsMG '74 is easily the most violent scene ever in a Godzilla film.

Oh yes, I agree with that. I still wince a bit whenever Gigan uses his buzzsaw on Godzilla for the first time.

Now I want to see Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla again, I'll have to pick it up.....though why is it over $30 on Amazon? A bit much for it, but ah well.

[Goji]

Don't get me wrong, the Heisei films have their share of pretty violent stuff, but it just wasn't on the same level as what we saw in the 70's. Lots of tokusatsu from that era was pretty violent, including Kamen Rider and Ultraman Ace.

Apparently, the '74 film is now out of print, which is why the DVD is so expensive. I'd avoid amazon, and try to locate it somewhere else. Have you tried deep discount.com?

[Destroyer]

Just checked that place, they don't seem to have any of the Vs. Showa ones. I Googled it under shopping, this place called 'J4 Music' has it for $9.07, but the place looks a bit off. I'll probably bid on an auction over at Ebay when it comes up later in the year.

[Patrick Alan]

Like crap through a goose

[Hellspawn28]

The 70's films where pretty violent but the violence in them never bother me even at a very young age. While I love those films, I do agree that they are poorly made and the 70's films may be the reason why Godzilla does have a bad rep with general movie goers. The 60's films never had that issue.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

I was about to ask how an underrated film could be a "masterpiece", but then I saw that the thread was made by Destroyer. Now it all makes sense.

Anyway, for a while I did not like Godzilla 2000, and thought that it was insanely boring, with bland characters and "go nowhere" story. To a certain extent, I still believe that. But lately, I've come to realize that there are a few things that redeem the film. Some of the characters are actually kind of funny, and I like the family dynamic that the film has going for it.

To me, Godzilla 2000 is an average Godzilla film. It's not really that good, but it's not terrible either. To me, it's the second best Millennium film (next to GMK), but I don't know wether that's a compliment or not, since the Millennium series in general is a bore. Still, I would gladly take Godzilla 2000 over films like GFW or GXM, so that's something.

[Destroyer]

I was about to ask how an underrated film could be a "masterpiece", but then I saw that the thread was made by Destroyer. Now it all makes sense.

What, now I'm infamous because of my constant support of Final Wars?

Anyway, for a while I did not like Godzilla 2000, and thought that it was insanely boring, with bland characters and "go nowhere" story. To a certain extent, I still believe that. But lately, I've come to realize that there are a few things that redeem the film. Some of the characters are actually kind of funny, and I like the family dynamic that the film has going for it.

While the characters obviously don't compare to any of the early Show flicks, they're pretty interesting when compared to the Heisei films, and the majority of the Millennium ones.

One thing that still bugs me is the under-explored backstory of Orga. Was he a single, or bunch of aliens? Cause I recall someone saying 'they.' Maybe this is explored more in the Japanese version.

[Kaiju-King42]

Don't get me wrong, the Heisei films have their share of pretty violent stuff, but it just wasn't on the same level as what we saw in the 70's. Lots of tokusatsu from that era was pretty violent, including Kamen Rider and Ultraman Ace.

I dunno. Biollante stabbing Godzilla through tha hand still makes me wince.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

What, now I'm infamous because of my constant support of Final Wars?

Yup.

"Masterpiece", my ass.

While the characters obviously don't compare to any of the early Show flicks, they're pretty interesting when compared to the Heisei films, and the majority of the Millennium ones.

...Well...yeah. But that's hardly an upgrade. Sure, some of the characters can be more enjoyable than characters from the Heisei or Millennium series, but that's not hard to do. The fact that it only beats out those characters by slim margin doesn't say much about the characters. Most of them are still pretty boring or uninteresting.

[Destroyer]

...Well...yeah. But that's hardly an upgrade. Sure, some of the characters can be more enjoyable than characters from the Heisei or Millennium series, but that's not hard to do. The fact that it only beats out those characters by slim margin doesn't say much about the characters. Most of them are still pretty boring or uninteresting.

I think the only character that fits the bill is the reporter, Yuki I believe was her name. The father and daughter dynamic I thought was well-done, and Katagiri proved to be an interesting human antagonist.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

...Well...yeah. But that's hardly an upgrade. Sure, some of the characters can be more enjoyable than characters from the Heisei or Millennium series, but that's not hard to do. The fact that it only beats out those characters by slim margin doesn't say much about the characters. Most of them are still pretty boring or uninteresting.

I think the only character that fits the bill is the reporter, Yuki I believe was her name. The father and daughter dynamic I thought was well-done, and Katagiri proved to be an interesting human antagonist.

I love how you praise this film, calling it a "masterpiece", yet you can hardly remember one of the leading character's names. You're reminding more of AH every day.

Also, there are more characters than that, dude. There's Katagiri's sidekick, the military officials, etc. When I say that most of the characters are either boring or uninteresting, I'm not talking about just the three main leads and the villain.

As for Katagiri, he's not really "interesting", as much as he is "hammy". Like he studied at the William Shatner school of acting.

[Hellspawn28]

I was about to ask how an underrated film could be a "masterpiece", but then I saw that the thread was made by Destroyer. Now it all makes sense.

What, now I'm infamous because of my constant support of Final Wars?.

I think it could be that the term "Masterpiece" should not be used for a film that Godzilla 2000. I know everyone is entitled to his own opinion but Godzilla 2000 is hardly even close to being a masterpiece. These movies are masterpiece:

2001: A Space Odyssey
Alien
Brazil
Citizen Kane
Die Hard
Fantasia
Jaws
King Kong (1933)
Rear Window
Rashomon
Lord of the Rings
North by Northwest
Seven Samurai
The Ten Commandments
The Godfather
The Wizard of Oz (1939)
Predator
Psycho (1998)

As I mention before, the original Gojira is the only movie that is around that level.

[Destroyer]

I love how you praise this film, calling it a "masterpiece", yet you can hardly remember one of the leading character's names. You're reminding more of AH every day.

....I've seen for example Godzilla's Revenge probably a thousand times, but I can't recall the kid's name. Not remembering the name of a main character shouldn't be a huge deal, I honestly don't recall a lot of the names in the films.

I'm guessing AH was some kind of infamous user?

Also, there are more characters than that, dude. There's Katagiri's sidekick, the military officials, etc. When I say that most of the characters are either boring or uninteresting, I'm not talking about just the three main leads and the villain.

Oh, well, in that case, yes. There were a bunch of boring and uninteresting characters. I thought we were just discussing the leads.

As for Katagiri, he's not really "interesting", as much as he is "hammy". Like he studied at the William Shatner school of acting.

I used to think that. Then I read a very interesting, in-depth article on him over at G-Fan, it really shed light on his character in the film.

[Gawdziller]

These movies are masterpiece:

Psycho (1998)

................................

I think you are alone on that. Unless that second 9 was supposed to be a 6 and that 8 was supposed to be a 0.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

...I've seen for example Godzilla's Revenge probably a thousand times, but I can't recall the kid's name. Not remembering the name of a main character shouldn't be a huge deal, I honestly don't recall a lot of the names in the films.

There's a difference with this, though. You probably don't care all that much for All Monsters Attack, so that's fine. But, you're calling Godzilla 2000 a "masterpiece". Surely, you would remember at least the names of such amazing characters, otherwise this film hardly deserves the title of "masterpiece".

Seriously, if you can't remember the names of the characters, they obviously didn't leave that much of an impression on you. How can you call a film a "masterpiece" if one of the leads left no impression on you at all?

Oh, well, in that case, yes. There were a bunch of boring and uninteresting characters. I thought we were just discussing the leads.

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I love how you straight up admit that there's a lot of boring and uninteresting characters in a film that you call a "masterpiece".

Some masterpiece this film is then.

Oh, well, in that case, yes. There were a bunch of boring and uninteresting characters. I thought we were just discussing the leads.

...Yeah, I don't care.

The guy is a pretty bad villain, with little to no motivation, transparently evil needs and desires, and really hammy acting. He's kind of enjoyable at how bad he can be at times, but Katagiri is by no means a good villain.

[Living Corpse]

Don't get me wrong, the Heisei films have their share of pretty violent stuff, but it just wasn't on the same level as what we saw in the 70's. Lots of tokusatsu from that era was pretty violent, including Kamen Rider and Ultraman Ace.

I dunno. Biollante stabbing Godzilla through tha hand still makes me wince.

Know what makes me wince Heisei wise? That Horn Katana beam on Destroyah and the Shock Anchors/G-Crusher cables on Mechagodzilla. Ouch.

[Destroyer]

There's a difference with this, though. You probably don't care all that much for All Monsters Attack, so that's fine. But, you're calling Godzilla 2000 a "masterpiece". Surely, you would remember at least the names of such amazing characters, otherwise this film hardly deserves the title of "masterpiece".

Seriously, if you can't remember the names of the characters, they obviously didn't leave that much of an impression on you. How can you call a film a "masterpiece" if one of the leads left no impression on you at all?

Ghidorah, Terror, SOG, all good films. I can't say I recall the names of the leads from those, but that doesn't mean they're bad. And I never said I didn't remember all the names, it was just simpler to refer with general terms. One bad lead isn't going to ruin it, when there are 3 good leads.

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I love how you straight up admit that there's a lot of boring and uninteresting characters in a film that you call a "masterpiece".

Some masterpiece this film is then.

Well, yeah. I'm not going to pretend the (side) characters are interesting.

The guy is a pretty bad villain, with little to no motivation, transparently evil needs and desires, and really hammy acting. He's kind of enjoyable at how bad he can be at times, but Katagiri is by no means a good villain.

Technically speaking, he really isn't a bad guy, he seems to genuinely want to protect the public. He just appears to be different than the usual 'sit behind a monitor and give orders' type of leader.

[Cimmerian Dragon]

These movies are masterpiece:

Psycho (1998)

................................

I think you are alone on that. Unless that second 9 was supposed to be a 6 and that 8 was supposed to be a 0.

Maybe it was just a copy/paste mistake.

Please, Lord, tell it was just a mistake...

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Ghidorah, Terror, SOG, all good films. I can't say I recall the names of the leads from those, but that doesn't mean they're bad. And I never said I didn't remember all the names, it was just simpler to refer with general terms. One bad lead isn't going to ruin it, when there are 3 good leads.

...Dude, it's not a good idea to tell everyone which films you can't remember the names of the protagonists to. Doesn't make you look good.

Also, if a film has one bad lead, then it's not a "masterpiece".

Seriously, by referring to films like Godzilla 2000 and Godzilla: Final Wars as "masterpieces" really makes me think you don't know what a masterpiece is. Hate to break it to you, but there's only one Godzilla film that would have a chance at falling under the category of "masterpiece". There is a reason why I keep putting masterpiece in quotation marks, and it's not because I want to make what I say look fancy.

Well, yeah. I'm not going to pretend the (side) characters are interesting.

If even one character is boring or uninteresting or entirely pointless, and this includes side characters, then the film is not a "masterpiece".

Technically speaking, he really isn't a bad guy, he seems to genuinely want to protect the public. He just appears to be different than the usual 'sit behind a monitor and give orders' type of leader.

...Okay, if you don't like me calling him the villain, then I'll call him the antagonist. Either way, in the case of this story, he's the one trying to stop the protagonists from reaching their goals, which is exactly what a villain does.