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Re: Nuke him

Postby Crocodile » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:55 pm

Godzillaprime05 wrote:He also used his breath weapon when the AZC fired, heating it up further. Water also has a high specific heat, so it is highly resistant to temp changes.



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Re: Nuke him

Postby Godzillaprime05 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:08 pm

I thought he got it off because to use the AZC kiryu would have let go so his arms wouldn't be in the way which is when the ray would've been fired.
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Re: Nuke him

Postby MandaSaurus » Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:04 pm

They nuked the 'Cloverfield' monster...................

'Hammer Down', anyone???

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Re: Nuke him

Postby GodzillaIsCool » Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:21 pm

I thought the end of Cloverfield was that they nuked him off camera? No?
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Re: Nuke him

Postby Crocodile » Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:56 pm

GodzillaIsCool wrote:I thought the end of Cloverfield was that they nuked him off camera? No?


If they nuked something that close to the camera

The Camera is vaporized and there is no movie

It was probably a MOAB
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Re: Nuke him

Postby GodzillaIsCool » Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:54 pm

Oh ya. The camera would of been smoked. Touche my friend.
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Re: Nuke him

Postby Breakdown » Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:06 pm

Plus the gamma radiation would destroy the film if the sheer incindiary properties of the bomb dont.
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Re: Nuke him

Postby Godzillaprime05 » Sat Feb 25, 2012 8:32 pm

Ford should change their slogan to "built Godzilla tough: survives black holes, absolute zero, enormous flaming rocks falling on directly on skull, and God knows whatelse"
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Re: Nuke him

Postby omgitsgodzilla » Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:52 pm

Living Corpse wrote:Truth be told I'm still confused as to what happened. It's not as bad as the sloppy explanation of the time travel in Godzilla vs King Ghidorah but still...

You mean the stickied one in the Heisei forum? Doesn't seem sloppy to me.
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Re: Nuke him

Postby omgitsgodzilla » Sun Feb 26, 2012 5:56 pm

Well the writing, sure. But I was talking about the explanation.
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Re: Nuke him

Postby Patrick Alan » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:32 pm

He'd probably eat it!
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Re: Nuke him

Postby Godzillais#1 » Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:38 am

I think they should nuke him, without knowing it would make him bigger and stronger, then beat the crap out of his enemy EVEN MORE
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Re: Nuke him

Postby Rody » Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:45 pm

^ Wait, that sounds like his opponent is there as well. You think BOTH monsters could survive that?!
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Re: Nuke him

Postby Patrick Alan » Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:18 pm

Godzilla would rape the nuke....
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Re: Nuke him

Postby TokyoVigilante » Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:26 pm

Patrick Alan wrote:Godzilla would rape the nuke....

I dunno if you're trying to be funny or if you legitimately think Godzilla could survive a nuke. Unfortunately, the raw heat, concussive force, and energy would absolutely obliterate Godzilla into nothingness. That goes without mentioning the political ramifications of such a weapon.

But regardless of that, if the film uses an atomic bomb and Godzilla survives, they will instantly destroy any dramatic tension. They've used the ultimate weapon that humanity, in a reasonably grounded and modern setting, is capable of developing. All it will result in is a scene for Fantasy Match obsessed fanboys to drool and squeal over and something that is nothing but shallow machismo posturing.
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Re: Nuke him

Postby Crocodile » Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:22 am

Surprised so many people think Godzilla could survive a nuke, hell I've only ever seen one "Survive a nuke scene" that was any good. And that was Superman's survival in Kingdom Come.

Honestly if they hit Godzilla with so much as tactical nuke, it'd probably spoil the movie for most viewers.
Let alone the strategic nukes they would probably use if they were to write this movie (More recognizable)
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Re: Nuke him

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:25 am

Okay, I gotta be honest here. How would Godzila surviving a nuke ruin the movie? I don't really understand.
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Re: Nuke him

Postby Crocodile » Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:41 am

Kaiju-King42 wrote:Okay, I gotta be honest here. How would Godzila surviving a nuke ruin the movie? I don't really understand.


It's dumb

That's the problem with most of this Black Hole, Meteorite, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's dumb, and not the good kinda dumb the bad kind.

Godzilla surviving a nuke takes him from powerful, to "lolfuck physics" strong. It's just really, really dumb. The idea that a living creature could survive what essentially destroys things on the molecular level, it's crap. It's lazy writing, and fan-wanky "look how strong I am" crap for fantasy match nerds.

If you want to show Godzilla is strong have him take Air missiles out a F-22, the shells of an Abrams Tank, etc. Throw standard stuff at him, and work you're way up to larger more powerful Ballasitic non-nuclear missiles (Which I would like to see, ya know actually hurt him) or even a MOAB
It's lazy writing to throw the the strongest weapon out, and "uh lol, out of options rofl. He wins!" Especially ya know when a Tomahawk missile can carry the blast of nearly 10 Nagasakis, and a Sea Wolf class sub can carry up to 50.

And even then those are still just Kiloton warheads, MEGATON warheads are even more powerful. It'd just be lazy, bad writing.

I've only ever seen one good, surviving of nuke. That was Superman in Kingdom Come, and it only worked because he was left alone.

Nukes should kill him, plain and simple. Especially the Strategic Long Range missiles, everyone thinks of when they think nukes.

He was mutated from fallout, not from standing at Ground Zero.
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Re: Nuke him

Postby Ethan » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:35 am

TokyoVigilante wrote:But regardless of that, if the film uses an atomic bomb and Godzilla survives, they will instantly destroy any dramatic tension. They've used the ultimate weapon that humanity, in a reasonably grounded and modern setting, is capable of developing. All it will result in is a scene for Fantasy Match obsessed fanboys to drool and squeal over and something that is nothing but shallow machismo posturing.

Nobody has complained about the various monsters from '50s B-movies surviving nuclear strikes and various modern weapons. When the world's greatest weapon is proven useless against a threatening creature, it increases dramatic tension.

Take The War of the Worlds for instance. The bomb is used as a last resort, and is shrugged by the martian war machines. This is a great way to start the film's third act, we truly believe humanity has lost the war, making the last minute salvation by germs more rewarding.

The Giant Claw, flawed as it is, makes a good use of the "monster vs. bomb" angle. The creature's invulnerabilty forces the characters to come up with a cleverly written plot device, they have to actually do things.

None of this matters as I woulnd't want Godzilla to be a villain, but seeing an older than dirt plot device as "childish, fanwaking" misses the point completely.
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Re: Nuke him

Postby Patrick Alan » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:39 am

They could fire the nuke, and it anhilates everything, buildings collapse and such, then after the smoke clears, Godzilla is no where to be seen, but they notice that the radiation is myteriously being absorbed by something, then Godzilla rises out of the rubble, he's all burned up, still ok, but very tired, after absorbing all the radiation from the nuke he slips back into the ocean to rest. You could leave it at that for a sequal, or after he slips back into the water, they hunt him down and finally do him in with the Oxygen Destroyer.
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Re: Nuke him

Postby menschenjaeger » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:36 am

Ethan wrote:
The Giant Claw, flawed as it is...


What are you talking about?!
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