Spacegodzilla vs Destoroyah

[Kaiju-King42]

You two aren't getting the idea. Yes, the wave-motion ray scene was deleted. However, Destroyah's floral pattern was open because the film makers were idiots and didn't change a scene directly influenced by a deleted scene. Go back to my first post with pictures or watch the film, you can clearly see them open. That is why the atomic ray did more damage than normal.

SG isn't going to have the benefit of shoddy film making in this fight.

I know what you're talking about, I just don't agree with you on that being the reason it did more damage.

It did more damage, because it wasn't just one beam that was fired. Three beams were fired in the same spot, with each being just as powerful as the last. If you do that to any kaiju, even kaiju with regenerative abilities, and you'll get roughly the same result.

Actually I watched that scene again, and the open floral pattern bled on the first strike. Point disproven!

[GotengoXGodzilla]

You two aren't getting the idea. Yes, the wave-motion ray scene was deleted. However, Destroyah's floral pattern was open because the film makers were idiots and didn't change a scene directly influenced by a deleted scene. Go back to my first post with pictures or watch the film, you can clearly see them open. That is why the atomic ray did more damage than normal.

SG isn't going to have the benefit of shoddy film making in this fight.

I know what you're talking about, I just don't agree with you on that being the reason it did more damage.

It did more damage, because it wasn't just one beam that was fired. Three beams were fired in the same spot, with each being just as powerful as the last. If you do that to any kaiju, even kaiju with regenerative abilities, and you'll get roughly the same result.

Actually I watched that scene again, and the open floral pattern bled on the first strike. Point disproven!

The first strike is from an angle where we can only see the explosion. There is blood coming out of the second strike, so I still stand by my point.

[RedZillaKing]

Floral pattern excuse- not recognized by Toho.

[Kaiju-King42]

^ Just like how Gorosaurus is 35 meters in DAM, right?

So you go for the hyper corona beam business, but to the floral pattern?

[GojiFan]

Floral pattern excuse- not recognized by Toho.

Powers/Weapons: Can fire a Corona Beam from its mouth that SpaceGodzilla can control midair; super regenerative power; its two shoulder crystals can generate a Gravity Tornado that can lift other objects or itself; can fly by means of enclosing itself in crystals; increases in power by being near gigantic crystals that it creates; can conduct energy through its touch; able to implant cosmic power in structures that can transmit a signal and have them act as an energy source; can incase his body in a shield to deflect projectiles; able to unleash bolts of energy from his shoulder crystals; emits an aura that causes electrical disturbances

Hmmm, I can't seem to see anything for a "hyper corona beam." Must not be recognized by Toho.

Now we can be reasonable or be silly. Up to you

[Kaiju-King42]

Okay, at this rate, we will never convince each other. I'm not convinced, the SG camp is not convinced. I'll just post why Destoroyah will win, and leave it at that.

Destoroyah will win because SG has no means that can put him down for the count. T&C, will only work in Destoroyah's favor, especially considering the electric energy absorbing tail and the laser horn. The crystal missiles failed to damage Godzilla, and the corona beam did severe damage only after blasting him in the same spot again and again. Spacegodzilla's durability is probably higher than Godzila's own, and he was destroyed by three spiral rays. Destoroyah stood up to three Super Spiral rays. Now this is why I can't see the corona beam doing any major damage to Destoroyah. Add Destoroyah's reformation, and I can't see Spacegodzilla putting him down.

Spacegodzilla's best chance to win this is if we changed the rules to allow Destoroyah to fire his wave motion ray from the floral pattern on his chest. That way, the floral pattern will be open at least some time in the battle, and if Spacegodzilla can sink in a couple of corona beams into that spot, he can damage Destoroyah, hopefully enough to get him to reform. Hopefully...

Of course, there's no way to determine how string Destoroyah's deleted wave motion ray would be. Changing the rules could end up doing more harm then good for all we know.

Now, I have addressed why SG can't beat Destoroyah. How can Destoroyah beat Spacegodzilla? Aside from being better at T&C, Destoroyah has that rather overlooked energy absorbing tail. Now, this won't kill Spacegodzilla, but it would be effective non the less. Hopefully SG could use his electrical touch to get out of that, cause after all these kaiju are bloodlust according to the rules. We don't know when Destoroyah would stop.

Destoroyah also has an arguably stronger ray, but there is no real way to prove this fact, or vice versa. But what he really has going for him is that handy dandy laser horn. Being bloodlust, and trying to to everything in their power to killl the other, it would't be hard for Destoroyah to aim his swing just a little higher... right at Spacegodzilla's neck. Now, before some people here start arguing that Destoroyah was just being stupid when he aimed at Godzilla's chest, let me remind you that I could argue back that SG can't aim properly and kept missing Little Godzilla, or that he was so stupid to not kill Godzilla right then and there. No, I believe Destoroyah, like Spacegodzilla, wanted to keep his victim alive longer to continue the torture. I mean, would it really be that hard to aim for the neck?

And another 1 shot kill move Destoroyah has, a micro oxygen ray plus water. That combo could spell disaster for Spacegodzilla.

So there you have it. The reasons I don't believe a bloodlust SG could put down Dessy, and why it wouldn't be all that difficult for a bloodlust Dessy to bring down SG once in laser horn range, or once SH is in water.

Destoroyah, 10/10

[Living Corpse]

Hmmm, I can't seem to see anything for a "hyper corona beam." Must not be recognized by Toho.

Now we can be reasonable or be silly. Up to you

Not taking any sides here but Grand King Ghidorah's "Super Charged Gravity Beams" are not listed either and near the end of ROM3 we know for a fact his Gravity Beams are super charged because he's entire body is actually glowing gold before firing them at Armor Mothra and he only glows twice in the entire film before firing. Every other time he fired his beams without glowing. Toho doesn't bother listing beam charges because they aren't super stronger just slightly stronger, that and their not a different weapon like the Red Spiral Ray, there just the same old beams just with more juice poured in.

I don't believe Spacegodzilla's CB is "super charged" but I do believe every monster with an energy attack has some amount of control and how much or how little energy they want to put in their energy attacks to some degree. So it may not be like Godzilla's stronger red ray but he can put more energy into it to make it slightly stronger.

Just my $00 .02

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Hmmm, I can't seem to see anything for a "hyper corona beam." Must not be recognized by Toho.

Now we can be reasonable or be silly. Up to you

Not taking any sides here but Grand King Ghidorah's "Super Charged Gravity Beams" are not listed either and near the end of ROM3 we know for a fact his Gravity Beams are super charged because he's entire body is actually glowing gold before firing them at Armor Mothra and he only glows twice in the entire film before firing. Every other time he fired his beams without glowing. Toho doesn't bother listing beam charges because they aren't super stronger just slightly stronger.

I don't believe Spacegodzilla's CB is "super charged" but I do believe every monster with an energy attack has some amount of control and how much or how little energy they want to put in their energy attacks to some degree. So it may not be like Godzilla's stronger red ray but he can put more energy into it to make it slightly stronger.

Just my $00 .02

Only the TK Bio doesn't list the "Super Charged Gravity Bolts" as a power. I've seen plenty of other sites that say he does have that power, such as Monster Archives. I think it's safe to say that GKG can charge the power of his own beams, even if the TK Bio doesn't list it.

Although I have never seen a bio on any site ever say that Space Godzilla has "Hyper Corona Beams".

[Gyaos]

Toho Kingdom has official stats for the kaiju, does it not? If it's not listed here, then he probably doesnt have it.

[Living Corpse]

Hmmm, I can't seem to see anything for a "hyper corona beam." Must not be recognized by Toho.

Now we can be reasonable or be silly. Up to you

Not taking any sides here but Grand King Ghidorah's "Super Charged Gravity Beams" are not listed either and near the end of ROM3 we know for a fact his Gravity Beams are super charged because he's entire body is actually glowing gold before firing them at Armor Mothra and he only glows twice in the entire film before firing. Every other time he fired his beams without glowing. Toho doesn't bother listing beam charges because they aren't super stronger just slightly stronger.

I don't believe Spacegodzilla's CB is "super charged" but I do believe every monster with an energy attack has some amount of control and how much or how little energy they want to put in their energy attacks to some degree. So it may not be like Godzilla's stronger red ray but he can put more energy into it to make it slightly stronger.

Just my $00 .02

Only the TK Bio doesn't list the "Super Charged Gravity Bolts" as a power. I've seen plenty of other sites that say he does have that power, such as Monster Archives. I think it's safe to say that GKG can charge the power of his own beams, even if the TK Bio doesn't list it.

Although I have never seen a bio on any site ever say that Space Godzilla has "Hyper Corona Beams".

Missing the point.

Every monster with a beam can put more or less juice in their beam attack just like Godzilla. It's not super charged but it is slightly stronger because it has more juice put in it.

[Kaiju-King42]

Not taking any sides here but Grand King Ghidorah's "Super Charged Gravity Beams" are not listed either and near the end of ROM3 we know for a fact his Gravity Beams are super charged because he's entire body is actually glowing gold before firing them at Armor Mothra and he only glows twice in the entire film before firing. Every other time he fired his beams without glowing. Toho doesn't bother listing beam charges because they aren't super stronger just slightly stronger.

I don't believe Spacegodzilla's CB is "super charged" but I do believe every monster with an energy attack has some amount of control and how much or how little energy they want to put in their energy attacks to some degree. So it may not be like Godzilla's stronger red ray but he can put more energy into it to make it slightly stronger.

Just my $00 .02

Only the TK Bio doesn't list the "Super Charged Gravity Bolts" as a power. I've seen plenty of other sites that say he does have that power, such as Monster Archives. I think it's safe to say that GKG can charge the power of his own beams, even if the TK Bio doesn't list it.

Although I have never seen a bio on any site ever say that Space Godzilla has "Hyper Corona Beams".

Missing the point.

Every monster with a beam can put more or less juice in their beam attack just like Godzilla. It's not super charged but it is slightly stronger because it has more juice put in it.

This I can agree with.

[Living Corpse]

Just so there's no more misunderstanding I'll make myself super clear.

THERE IS NO "'SUPER CORONA BEAM', IT'S JUST THE CORONA BEAM WITH EXTRA ENERGY POURED INTO IT".

Now Grand King Ghidorah on the other hand...

[miguelnuva]

It was a Full Power blast wasn't the first time he used it when Godzilla and Mogerua were starting to win. Same for GKG most likely.

[RedZillaKing]

Hmmm, I can't seem to see anything for a "hyper corona beam." Must not be recognized by Toho.

Now we can be reasonable or be silly. Up to you

I choose to continue to be reasonable.

Seriously, though it's just like the FW debates. Not every single beam has the same damage output. It's the most obvious and reasonable explanation. The floral pattern scene was deleted. Godzilla blasted through his hide.

Kaiju King 42- Dessy 10/10? I don't like to say this too often but that's just stupid. This is a whole new level of fan wanking. And no longer can I take you seriously.

Some greatest hits from your last post:

"I'll just post why Destoroyah will win, and leave it at that." Lol. It's funny how most are willing to admit that this will be a close contest. Open your mind a bit. Believe it or not that's how you can learn new things.

"Spacegodzilla's durability is probably higher than Godzila's own, and he was destroyed by three spiral rays." Double derp. SG was dead or dying. Are you being willfully dense? Goddamn... I hate to be so personal about it but every other post you're either rolling your eyes or making cocky statements that are really repeats or bastardizations of something someone else said.

Do you know what bloodlusting means? It means that SG will be trying to kill Destoroyah. Not f***ing with him. His #1 weakness has been erased. No overconfidence is there to hinder him, and he is now WAY more dangerous.

BTW, SG is no slouch in T&C (for a Heisei monster that is). His electric touch will likely be harmful to the many tiny organisms that make up Dessy's hide, and his tail is likely able to punch through Dessy's armor as easily as it did Moggy's.

[Kaiju-King42]

Hmmm, I can't seem to see anything for a "hyper corona beam." Must not be recognized by Toho.

Now we can be reasonable or be silly. Up to you

I choose to continue to be reasonable.

Seriously, though it's just like the FW debates. Not every single beam has the same damage output. It's the most obvious and reasonable explanation. The floral pattern scene was deleted. Godzilla blasted through his hide.

Kaiju King 42- Dessy 10/10? I don't like to say this too often but that's just stupid. This is a whole new level of fan wanking. And no longer can I take you seriously.

Some greatest hits from your last post:

"I'll just post why Destoroyah will win, and leave it at that." Lol. It's funny how most are willing to admit that this will be a close contest. Open your mind a bit. Believe it or not that's how you can learn new things.

"Spacegodzilla's durability is probably higher than Godzila's own, and he was destroyed by three spiral rays." Double derp. SG was dead or dying. Are you being willfully dense? Goddamn... I hate to be so personal about it but every other post you're either rolling your eyes or making cocky statements that are really repeats or bastardizations of something someone else said.

Do you know what bloodlusting means? It means that SG will be trying to kill Destoroyah. Not f***ing with him. His #1 weakness has been erased. No overconfidence is there to hinder him, and he is now WAY more dangerous.

BTW, SG is no slouch in T&C (for a Heisei monster that is). His electric touch will likely be harmful to the many tiny organisms that make up Dessy's hide, and his tail is likely able to punch through Dessy's armor as easily as it did Moggy's.

The only reason I made it 10/10 is because I can't figure out a way SG can win here. That's all. But I'll make it 9/10 if that pleases you.

As for your dead and dying Spacegodzilla statement, just because someone is low on energy, that doesn't make them any less durable. I'm not being wilfully dense at all, I'm making this connection:

Godzilla was injured severely by the corona beam after it hot him multiple times in the same spot.
SG is more durable than Godzila, so there for, a creature of his durability would not be as effected.
SG died from three spiral rays.
Destoroyah tanked three super spiral rays and remained pretty intact, meaning that he is way more durable than SG, so I can't see the corona beam doing major damage.

Yes, I know what blood lusting means. That's why Dessy's laser horn is going to be so dangerous here, but it doesn't change the fact that SG does not have the right weapons to kill Destoroyah.

The electric touch could be harmful, if not for the fact that he took way hotter attacks then that. The tail, again, Moguera isn't the most durable of the heisei machines. But I agree that the tail is SG's best means of defence in T&C combat.

I'm sorry if I'm sounding harsh or cocky or ignorant. But I just can't see how SG can get past Destoroyah's incredible armor, and even then, if he somehow does, he has to get past it again if Destoroyah reforms. It would be a long match I'm sure. SG will be keeping destoroyah at bay with gravity tornados and such. But once he gets in close and uses the laser horn, it's all over.

I'm not saying SG is weak, in fact he's far from it. I'm saying that despite his power, non of his weapons are damaging enough to get through Destoroyah. Now, make it a monster like Grand Ghidorah or Legion, or even Irys, a kaiju of some kind that has a weapon powerful enough to get through Destoroyah, and I would be much nicer.





You know what we need? A FM with a Gamera monster. At least Gamera monster durability is something we can both agree on, as long as it does not involve Destoroyah, Spacegodzila, or FW monster of any kind. I think then, we will get along just fine.

[Living Corpse]

I think then, we will get along just fine.

But then it'd be boring and not be a debate.

[PopInPicsPresents]

Now, make it a monster like Grand Ghidorah or Legion, or even Irys, a kaiju of some kind that has a weapon powerful enough to get through Destoroyah, and I would be much nicer.

You know what we need? A FM with a Gamera monster. At least Gamera monster durability is something we can both agree on, as long as it does not involve Destoroyah, Spacegodzila, or FW monster of any kind. I think then, we will get along just fine.

Legion has a decent chance, Grand King Ghidorah has a pretty good chance, Irys has no chance what so ever. But yes, anything involving a FW kaiju, I'll just steer clear of that all together.

[miguelnuva]

Everytime this fight is made more people jump from Destroyer to SpaceGodzilla I bet the next time it is made everyone will say Destroyer has no way to beast SpaceG.

[Kaiju-King42]

Now, make it a monster like Grand Ghidorah or Legion, or even Irys, a kaiju of some kind that has a weapon powerful enough to get through Destoroyah, and I would be much nicer.

You know what we need? A FM with a Gamera monster. At least Gamera monster durability is something we can both agree on, as long as it does not involve Destoroyah, Spacegodzila, or FW monster of any kind. I think then, we will get along just fine.

Legion has a decent chance, Grand King Ghidorah has a pretty good chance, Irys has no chance what so ever. But yes, anything involving a FW kaiju, I'll just steer clear of that all together.

I listed Irys because of his Gamera shell cutting sonic beams and Gamera shell stabbing arms of doom, not his durability.

[kikomia]

You know what. What if SpaceGodzilla is the reason for BG's meltdown. I never thought about it but, cool yeah.