Spacegodzilla vs Destoroyah

[kikomia]

Instead he mocked Goji's helplessness and left.

I have to agree with this. That's why I commpared SpaceGodzilla with Freddy Krueger. They want their opponents to suffer. If that's not it, then Freddy Krueger is just, well stupid. And I think his intelligent. The same could be said about SpaceGodzilla.

[PopInPicsPresents]

And PIPP.. Why do I bother providing the link and the citation if you're not going to bother checking it out. SG had him injured and flailing on the ground. He could have killed him if he kept blasting him. Instead he mocked Goji's helplessness and left.

No, not really. The Corona Beam isn't that powerful. Godzilla kept regenerating the damage in mere seconds. It was never overwhelmingly powerful. And he kept getting up, again and again.

[Kaiju-King42]

He says roid-raging Burning Godzilla is weaker than normal Godzilla. Which absolutly stupid.

So he completely changed the subject of my question? Even though he got on KK42's case about doing the same? Nice..

I was answering to one of RZK's earlier points. I already gave two huge examples concerning Destoroyahs intellegince.

[kikomia]

http://www.veoh.com/watch/v212097197fpn ... rist+Fight Look here, when Godzilla came SpaceGodzilla immediately started shooting Corona beams and you can clearly see he is hurt. Plus after two corona beams Godzilla fell over like he was falling of Mount Everest. His Corona Beam packs a punch dude.

[PopInPicsPresents]

http://www.veoh.com/watch/v212097197fpnjsya?h1=Godzilla+vs+SpaceGodzilla+Frist+Fight Look here, when Godzilla came SpaceGodzilla immediately started shooting Corona beams and you can clearly see he is hurt. Plus after two corona beams Godzilla fell over like he was falling of Mount Everest. His Corona Beam packs a punch dude.

You know what else packs a punch? Godzilla's Atomic Ray which when reflected at him made a much bigger explosion then one Corona Ray. And when he did fall to the ground he discharged an Atomic Ray almost instantly and then regained his footing.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

http://www.veoh.com/watch/v212097197fpnjsya?h1=Godzilla+vs+SpaceGodzilla+Frist+Fight Look here, when Godzilla came SpaceGodzilla immediately started shooting Corona beams and you can clearly see he is hurt. Plus after two corona beams Godzilla fell over like he was falling of Mount Everest. His Corona Beam packs a punch dude.

You know what else packs a punch? Godzilla's Atomic Ray which when reflected at him made a much bigger explosion then one Corona Ray. And when he did fall to the ground he discharged an Atomic Ray almost instantly and then regained his footing.

The only reason that the atomic ray caused a bigger explosion is because it covered a bigger surface area than the Corona Beam. Also, Godzilla got right back up, because he's freakin' Godzilla, and has insane regeneration. Fire those Corona Beams on just about anything else, and they'll be down much longer and actually have visible damage.

[RedZillaKing]

Yes you gave 2 completely useless examples of an exaggeratied hive mind. Nothing more than the exagerrated behavior of a colonial organism that behaves like a cartoon bee swarm.

@PIPP now you're just ignoring what happened in the movie. Godzilla flailed helplessly while the grav. Tornadoes took LittleGodzilla. You seem to be valuing the size of an explosion over the comparative effects of the beams. I LOLed at your implication that the Corona beam packs less of punch than the AR.

[PopInPicsPresents]

^ Except Destoroyah who has a much tougher hide then Godzilla or Spacegodzilla. And the only reason the Red Atomic Rays caused Destoroyah to bleed was because the floral pattern was open. You'd think someone would gt the message after a bunch of people said the exact same thing.

On a side note, Destoroyah seemed to sap away energy from Godzilla with his tail. I'd hate to see Destoroyah running on some of Spacegodzilla's energy. He'd probably sap away quite a bit too since Spacegodzilla is basically helpless up close.

@PIPP now you're just ignoring what happened in the movie. Godzilla flailed helplessly while the grav. Tornadoes took LittleGodzilla. You seem to be valuing the size of an explosion over the comparative effects of the beams. I LOLed at your implication that the Corona beam packs less of punch than the AR.

Ignoring what happened in the movie? He flailed on the ground for what a few seconds? As opposed to getting hit by the Micro Oxygen Ray which put him on his ass for quite a bit longer.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Except Destoroyah who has a much tougher hide then Godzilla or Spacegodzilla. And the only reason the Red Atomic Rays caused Destoroyah to bleed was because the floral pattern was open. You'd think someone would gt the message after a bunch of people said the exact same thing.

Destoroyah doesn't have regeneration, though. So, eventually, the Corona Beams will start to do some damage.

Also, floral pattern? What the hell is a floral pattern? You mean that thing on Destoroyah's chest that was only used in a deleted scene, thus has no bearing on the film, rendering it completely useless? In case you haven't noticed, I haven't been reading this topic, so I did not see everyone talking about the "floral pattern", whatever the hell that means.

[Kaiju-King42]

Yikes. We have a lot of crazy ideas floating aroung here.

1. Destoroyah's "pride". Wut? When was he stated to have this very human emotion. The only pride on display here was what you projected on the character.

2. Yo son! 5estoroyah tanked 3 uber spiral rays while SG was killed was killed by three normal ones! Superior durability!! So easily we forget that Dessy was severely injured by three "normal" red rays. They tore him open, exposing his vulnerable organs. Red SPIRAL Rays were what destroyed SG's body. More powerful than the red beam but not as powerful as the USR. Also, SG was dying or dead when he was hit with the RSRs. This much is stated outright. Once his shoulder crystals were gone he was essentially helpless. Like if you removed SMG's NT20 or Goji's nuclear heart.

3. SG had lesser or equal durability to Goji. No. How do I know this? It's very simple. Look at the scene where SG shrugs off the full might of Moguera's lasers, masers, and SGMs (for those not sure of what I'm talking about it's the first Earth bound battle between the two). Later in the film, goji and SG are locked in combat. Moggy attacks SG with the same weapons and Goji is hit with a glancing blow. While SG stands there unaffected, Godzilla (who didn't even catch the brunt of the assault) crumbles into a smoking heap.

4. Burning Godzilla is weaker than his normal self. No.... And yes. Even the weakest ray in BG's arsenal (the red ray) is stronger than his normal, fairly average Atomic Ray. His USR is the most frighteningly powerful weapon Heisei Godzilla ever wielded. It is leagues stronger than his AR and at least a decent amount more powerful than the Red Spiral Ray. What BG gains in offense he loses in defense, however. His regenerative abiities are working overtime to counteract the burning inside him. And it's a losing bttle. As a result, the Micro Oxygen Ray, an impressive concussive blast for sure, effects himn greatly. He also never really heals from the Laser Horn. One thing that people seem to forget is that Goji (as kikomia said) is sick. Worse yet.... He's dying. Do you people actually expect him to be as durable as he usually is?

5). Destoroyah is not intelligent. As least not any moreso than a fierce, predatory animal.

6) A statement was made that Dessy wouldve beaten BG if the SdF hadn't intervened. That's not true. Goji's Uber Spiral Rays sent him into a retreat. Goji might not have killed him, but he drove him away.

And PIPP.. Why do I bother providing the link and the citation if you're not going to bother checking it out. SG had him injured and flailing on the ground. He could have killed him if he kept blasting him. Instead he mocked Goji's helplessness and left.

1. I agree, it wasn't pride that motivated Dessy.

2. As for the injuries he sustained from the triple ray attack, HOW MANY SHREEONK TiMES do I have to bring up that open floral pattern, and the fact that when Destoroyah was struck with the beam before, on his armor, he barely flinched?

3. I said G had less than or equal durability to SG, not the other way around. SG has crystal plating under his skin for christs sake! You only proved my point of D having far greater durability then G, and therefor won't be damaged by the Corona beam. (at least not heavly damaged).

4. The laser horn, for some weird reason that I can't explain, produces an anti-regeneration fluid, remember. Wouldn't a super energized Godzilla have more energy to regenerate anyway?

5. Are you ignoring the fact that Destoroyah needs a high level of creativity, an active imagination, high levels of self awarness, problem solving skills, and a PHD in molecular biology in order to shapeshift the way he does?

Okay, I was joking on the PHD part.

Anyway, you can't say that isn't intelligence and then go right around and say SG's crystal shower and how he directed them all at Godzilla is. It's the same basic thing on a less impressive scale.

6. And here I agree again. However, if not for the meltdown, D would have eventually ended G's life.

[PopInPicsPresents]

Except Destoroyah who has a much tougher hide then Godzilla or Spacegodzilla. And the only reason the Red Atomic Rays caused Destoroyah to bleed was because the floral pattern was open. You'd think someone would gt the message after a bunch of people said the exact same thing.

Destoroyah doesn't have regeneration, though. So, eventually, the Corona Beams will start to do some damage.

Also, floral pattern? What the hell is a floral pattern? You mean that thing on Destoroyah's chest that was only used in a deleted scene, thus has no bearing on the film, rendering it completely useless? In case you haven't noticed, I haven't been reading this topic, so I did not see everyone talking about the "floral pattern", whatever the hell that means.

It was open before Godzilla fired his AR. He go shot with a RAR in the same exact spot earlier in the film and it did nothing. When shot in the unarmored spot he's helpless.

[kikomia]

Are you ignoring the fact that Destoroyah needs a high level of creativity, an active imagination, high levels of self awarness, problem solving skills

So every kaiju is a genius suddenly. Do you know how much brain power SpaceGodzilla has to use to achieve telekinesis. Alot. More so then a human. SpaceGodzilla is brilliant.

[RedZillaKing]

The floral pattern argument is bullshit. Deleted scenes don't count in FMs. Or canon. I actually can't believe that you tried to use that.

You honestly act like you only know these movies through someone else's arguments. Goji stayed down because Dessy fired on him as he lay on the ground.

Lol yeah SG is really helpless upclose. I'd point out instances of how bullshit that statement is (with citation) but you just wouldn't pay attention anyway...

@KK the anti regen fluid is not officially recognized by Toho.

[Kaiju-King42]

Are you ignoring the fact that Destoroyah needs a high level of creativity, an active imagination, high levels of self awarness, problem solving skills

So every kaiju is a genius suddenly. Do you know how much brain power SpaceGodzilla has to use to achieve telekinesis. Alot. More so then a human. SpaceGodzilla is brilliant.

Miki also uses telekinesis, and she's only slightly smarter than your average person.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

Except Destoroyah who has a much tougher hide then Godzilla or Spacegodzilla. And the only reason the Red Atomic Rays caused Destoroyah to bleed was because the floral pattern was open. You'd think someone would gt the message after a bunch of people said the exact same thing.

Destoroyah doesn't have regeneration, though. So, eventually, the Corona Beams will start to do some damage.

Also, floral pattern? What the hell is a floral pattern? You mean that thing on Destoroyah's chest that was only used in a deleted scene, thus has no bearing on the film, rendering it completely useless? In case you haven't noticed, I haven't been reading this topic, so I did not see everyone talking about the "floral pattern", whatever the hell that means.

It was open before Godzilla fired his AR. He go shot with a RAR in the same exact spot earlier in the film and it did nothing. When shot in the unarmored spot he's helpless.

Is it really that much of a problem to type out "Atomic Ray" or "Red Atomic Ray", instead of doing abbreviations that can be confusing?

Actually, reread your post, I'm confused anyway. What's "it"? Are you talking about Space Godzilla or Destoroyah? If you're talking about Destoroyah, then Godzilla didn't have the his regular atomic ray in that film, so find a better abbreviation then "AR". What does any of this have to do what I was talking about in my last post?

Seriously, I agree with RedZillaKing. The Floral Pattern was not used in the film, therefore it's not canon.

[Rody]

"It" is the so-called floral pattern on Destroyah's chest.

[Kaiju-King42]

The floral pattern argument is bullshit. Deleted scenes don't count in FMs. Or canon. I actually can't believe that you tried to use that.

You honestly act like you only know these movies through someone else's arguments. Goji stayed down because Dessy fired on him as he lay on the ground.

Lol yeah SG is really helpless upclose. I'd point out instances of how bullshit that statement is (with citation) but you just wouldn't pay attention anyway...

@KK the anti regen fluid is not officially recognized by Toho.

I never said the beam fired from the floral pattern was cannon. However, the facts are as follows:

A. Godzilla fired a beam at Destoroyah before hand and he barely flinched.
B. The floral pattern was later open.
C. Godzilla fire beams into the open floral pattern. This time, it did damage.

Are the dots really that hard to connect?

[GotengoXGodzilla]

The floral pattern argument is bullshit. Deleted scenes don't count in FMs. Or canon. I actually can't believe that you tried to use that.

You honestly act like you only know these movies through someone else's arguments. Goji stayed down because Dessy fired on him as he lay on the ground.

Lol yeah SG is really helpless upclose. I'd point out instances of how bullshit that statement is (with citation) but you just wouldn't pay attention anyway...

@KK the anti regen fluid is not officially recognized by Toho.

I never said the beam fired from the floral pattern was cannon. However, the facts are as follows:

A. Godzilla fired a beam at Destoroyah before hand and he barely flinched.
B. The floral pattern was later open.
C. Godzilla fire beams into the open floral pattern. This time, it did damage.

Are the dots really that hard to connect?

Or, maybe, the beam that was fired on Destoroyah the second time was fired in quick succession with another beam. Seriously, the reason that Destoroyah bled from the beam, was because three beams were fired very quickly in the same area. If you apply enough force or power to one spot long enough, it's going to break open. Destoroyah's chest is no exception.

[GojiFan]

You two aren't getting the idea. Yes, the wave-motion ray scene was deleted. However, Destroyah's floral pattern was open because the film makers were idiots and didn't change a scene directly influenced by a deleted scene. Go back to my first post with pictures or watch the film, you can clearly see them open in the same way they were in the deleted scene. The ray did not bust through the bone... things. That is why the atomic ray did more damage than normal.

SG isn't going to have the benefit of shoddy film making in this fight.

[GotengoXGodzilla]

You two aren't getting the idea. Yes, the wave-motion ray scene was deleted. However, Destroyah's floral pattern was open because the film makers were idiots and didn't change a scene directly influenced by a deleted scene. Go back to my first post with pictures or watch the film, you can clearly see them open. That is why the atomic ray did more damage than normal.

SG isn't going to have the benefit of shoddy film making in this fight.

I know what you're talking about, I just don't agree with you on that being the reason it did more damage.

It did more damage, because it wasn't just one beam that was fired. Three beams were fired in the same spot, with each being just as powerful as the last. If you do that to any kaiju, even kaiju with regenerative abilities, and you'll get roughly the same result.

Also, even if that were the case, you're basically assuming that the Corona Beam is going to act the same way as the atomic ray, when they're two very different rays. The atomic ray is just one giant burst of energy, where as the Corona Beam is a concentrated force designed to pierce its target and then explode.