Spacegodzilla vs Destoroyah

[Kaiju-King42]

I don't mean to sound like an over confidant dick, but can someone please provide me a scenario where Spacegodzilla can beat Destoroyah? I honestly still can't see it. Destoroyah's durability is too much, and none of SG's weapons will be putting him down. (Although the corona beam is the best chance.)

You haven't been paying attention have you? Anyone who considers this one sided is underestimating either monster.... And is entirely biased.

Now now, I'm just being honest. I'm not saying SG is weak, I'm just saying (truthfully) that I cannot figure out a scenario where SG wins.

But why would they? What makes you think that they'd even think of attacking the crystals? When did Dessy ever show anything but predatory instinct? I've only heard instances of him using his natural weapons effectively. I actually laughed out loud when someone brought up the fact that Dessy killed Junior as a sign of sadistic intelligence. Funny, when a crocodile kills a young hippo I've never heard the documentary's narrator say "The crocodile. Never since has nature produced such an intelligent, sadistic bastard. Whatta dick."

To quote my previous post:

In addition, I have been doing a bit of thinking, and I believe that Destoroyah may be smarter than we think he is. Think back to how he has a hive mind, over his micro-organisms. This could be comparable to a superhero (or villain, which is probably a better example) that has the power to control his molecules. Now, in order to rearrange your molecules to assume a shape, you can't be a creature that simply relies on instinct. You need to form mental picture of what you want to become, and rearrange your molecules accordingly. You have to create blood, eyes, a mouth, an organ or structure that can allow you to use a laser horn, all kinds of things have to be created in order to create a body as functional and as complex as Destoroyah's are. To do this, you need intelligence, and a good chunk of it. In fact, If you suddenly realized you could rearrange your molecules, would you know, as a intelligent human being, how to arrange your molecules exactly to make an eye, or blood, or armor, or bone or an organ? I doubt it, unless you are really good at biology.

Body building isn't just instincts for a colony of precambrian critters. To change form the way he does, Destoroyah needs a good deal of smarts. Which means that he isn't just an average kaiju in the intelligence department like most make him out to be. Even his attack style demands intelligence. Destoroyah is an ambusher, shown god knows how many times in the Destoroyah vs Solider scene, his jump attack on Jr, coming out of nowhere to snatch Jr and knock down Godzilla, the aggregate swarm scene, and the scene where he attacks Godzilla from behind while caught of guard mourning Jr. Compare Destoroyah's attack style with Spacegodzilla's beam spamming, and I'm beginning to think Dessy might just have another advantage over Spacegodzilla, smarts.

If anyone would like to debate this, please provide examples of Spacegodzilla showing incredible intelligence.

There ya go.

True. However.... who's to say the shield would allow this or that the shoulder crystals wouldn't absorb the energy? Honestly only the SGMs damaged the shoulder crystals.

If they were able to absorb lasers (they were only shown capable of absorbing plasma), they could still always be cut off at the base.

Dessy's wings are a weak point. They were the first things to give in to the freezer weapons. I could see SG Corona blasting him out of the sky. Besides... Why would SG stay on the ground and wait to be attacked?

Wouldn't have Godzilla done the same? As for waiting to be attacked, SG did a pretty good job at doing that the entire fight.

How will the crystal fortress be out of the way exactly? Stop imaging things. One thing you're right about, though... If those shoulders crystals are both somehow destroyed this fight would be over.

I'm not imagining things. It is possible for all the crystals to be destroyed, causing SG to eventually run low on energy and retreat. Also remember, every time Destoroyah forms and reforms, a big explosion goes with him, with will aid in destroying random crystals.

[RedZillaKing]

Now now, I'm just being honest. I'm not saying SG is weak, I'm just saying (truthfully) that I cannot figure out a scenario where SG wins.

It's not too hard once you stop imagining that SGs weaons are as impotent as everyone's been saying they are (which I find hilarious BTW). Also, Dessy is nowhere near as invincible as people are making him out to be. I haven't heard a single valid argument as to why Dessy wouldn't be affected by several Corona beams in the same spot.

To quote my previous post:

Yeah, yeah. Just reminds me of a swarm of bees exaggerated to kaiju fantasy proportions.

If anyone would like to debate this, please provide examples of Spacegodzilla showing incredible intelligence.

Actual sadistic torture, using LG as bait, and clear and apparent mockery. Also, the brain power needed for the level of telekinetic multitasking he showed must've been bloody incredible. I mean he levitated, tk manipulated crystals, and attacked Goji all at once. Granted he ended up spreading himself thin but come on. Find an equivalent to that in the animal kingdom.

If they were able to absorb lasers (they were only shown capable of absorbing plasma), they could still always be cut off at the base.

Didn't they absorb Moggy's laser weapons?

Wouldn't have Godzilla done the same?

Wait... Did Goji even shoot Dessy when he was flying? Did he target the wings at any time?

As for waiting to be attacked, SG did a pretty good job at doing that the entire fight.

LOL true.

I'm not imagining things. It is possible for all the crystals to be destroyed, causing SG to eventually run low on energy and retreat. Also remember, every time Destoroyah forms and reforms, a big explosion goes with him, with will aid in destroying random crystals.

Why would Destoroyah attack the crystals? And who knew Dessy's dramatic entrance would turn into a weapon?

[Living Corpse]

About the whole Horn Katana vs Should Crystals thing.

The crystals might absorb the energy but that's only if the beam hits the actual crystals. Now if it hits the part of his shoulders that are nothing but flesh then it would nt be absorbed and could very well destroy the sacs in there that store energy.

[Godzillaprime05]

I think toho's intent was to have Destroyah be the hesiei series most powerful opponent for Godzilla. He stood up to several spiral beams and if not for the JSDF, would've won against Burning goji. Spacegodzilla relies on an external power source, which if he is sepperated from, can lead to his downfall.

[RedZillaKing]

I still don't buy it. Destoroyah showed intelligence earlier in the film when the EDF attacked them with foot soldiers. Destoroyah is intelligent, it doesn't just run on intelligence.

So ambush tactics and swarming are signs of intelligence now? Then Anacondas, crocodiles, and ants are veritable Einsteins I suppose.

[kikomia]

All of Destoroyah's forms are specialized in predation. The micro form is for parasitoidism. Flying is for well flying predation. And they never showed any kind of intelligence. And I do mean never. As RZK stated: "He showed predatory instinct, not intelligence." And SpaceGodzilla kidnapped Little Godzilla, trapped him before Godzilla knowing he would be vulnerable, shot down Godzilla when he was vulnerable and turned a whole town into his own playground. Yeah now that's evil. It's also shows how much intelligence he has. SpaceGodzilla is like Freddy Krueger bassically. He likes to torture his victims before killing them. He could have killed him (Godzilla) easily but decided not to, because he wants him to suffer. Oh and SpaceGodzilla is a sadistic bitch. That's why I love him.

[Kaiju-King42]

Destoroyah tanked three uber spiral rays. Three normal spiral rays were enough to destroy SG completely. And SG has durability that is greater than or equal to Godzila's own. Now, Godzilla was the one who was badly damaged after the multi corona beams on the same spot, and in comparison to SG, is the same or lesser than him in the durability department.

Now compare Destoroyah and SG's durability towards Spiral rays. Then remember that Destoroyah tanked uber spiral rays. Now, how is the corona beam going to do all that damage again?

[kikomia]

You just changed the theme. We were talking about intelligence. Care to back up Destoroyah's intelligence?

[PopInPicsPresents]

You just changed the theme. We were talking about intelligence. Care to back up Destoroyah's intelligence?

Last time I checked, creatures that act only on Predatory instincts don't seek out a specific target after said target basically destroyed its pride. Destoroyah focused on Junior alone. He could have killed Junior on the spot but instead carried him off as Godzilla watched and dropped him.

[kikomia]

I'm going to watch Godzilla vs Destoroyah and Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla. I will come back with my thoughts.

[PopInPicsPresents]

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I'm just wondering, how was Spacegodzilla going to kill Godzilla? Nothing in his arsenal was keeping Godzilla down for the count. Any damage done to Godzilla was regenerated in seconds. I think after a long battle Godzilla could have killed Spacegodzilla.

[kikomia]

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I'm just wondering, how was Spacegodzilla going to kill Godzilla? Nothing in his arsenal was keeping Godzilla down for the count. Any damage done to Godzilla was regenerated in seconds. I think after a long battle Godzilla could have killed Spacegodzilla.

If Godzilla wasn't in meltdown, he would have opposed more of a threat to Destoroyah. Ofcourse a new kaiju is going to be stronger then an old, sick one.

[PopInPicsPresents]

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I'm just wondering, how was Spacegodzilla going to kill Godzilla? Nothing in his arsenal was keeping Godzilla down for the count. Any damage done to Godzilla was regenerated in seconds. I think after a long battle Godzilla could have killed Spacegodzilla.

If Godzilla wasn't in meltdown, he would have opposed more of a threat to Destoroyah. Ofcourse a new kaiju is going to be stronger then an old, sick one.

I'm sorry but what? I don't get what you're trying to say.

[Gyaos]

He says roid-raging Burning Godzilla is weaker than normal Godzilla. Which absolutly stupid.

[PopInPicsPresents]

He says roid-raging Burning Godzilla is weaker than normal Godzilla. Which absolutly stupid.

So he completely changed the subject of my question? Even though he got on KK42's case about doing the same? Nice..

[kikomia]

When Destoroyah appeared Godzilla was dying. Junior tried to fight Destoroyah, but Destoroyah killed Junior. Godzilla wanted revenge so he attacked Destoroyah, who was in great physhical shape. Destoroyah manhandled Godzilla, but Destoroyah was drawn off by the military. SpaceGodzilla fought against off against a healthy Godzilla and a improvment over Mechagodzilla (Heisei)

[PopInPicsPresents]

When Destoroyah appeared Godzilla was dying. Junior tried to fight Destoroyah, but Destoroyah killed Junior. Godzilla wanted revenge so he attacked Destoroyah, who was in great physhical shape. Destoroyah manhandled Godzilla, but Destoroyah was drawn off by the military. SpaceGodzilla fought against off against a healthy Godzilla and a improvment over Mechagodzilla (Heisei)

MOGUERA is in no way an improvement over Mechagodzilla. Super Mechagodzilla would devastate Spacegodzilla if it had the upgrade which MOGUERA had. Now, someone answer my question. How was Spacegodzilla going to kill Godzilla? The most damage it receive was on Birth Island and it healed almost instantly. Spacegodzilla's Corona Rays only floored Godzilla with multiple shots. Godzilla kept getting up without any wounds at all. The only thing that knocked Godzilla out was either the SGM or Plasma laser which went off right by his face.

[Gyaos]

So, Kikomia. Godzilla's Red beam and 1190+ Beam (which caused several hundred meter high explosions) is weaker than Godzilla's normal blue beam? The Godzilla thats surging with so much power he literally glows with it, is weaker than the normal Godzilla?

Thats like saying a Professional Body-builder is inferior to a skinny nerdy kid.

[kikomia]

So, Kikomia. Godzilla's Red beam and 1190+ Beam (which caused several hundred meter high explosions) is weaker than Godzilla's normal blue beam? The Godzilla thats surging with so much power he literally glows with it, is weaker than the normal Godzilla?

Thats like saying a Professional Body-builder is inferior to a skinny nerdy kid.

I said that Burning Godzilla was in pain. The non burning Godzilla is not in pain. So he is physically more though then BG is.

[RedZillaKing]

Yikes. We have a lot of crazy ideas floating aroung here.

1. Destoroyah's "pride". Wut? When was he stated to have this very human emotion. The only pride on display here was what you projected on the character.

2. Yo son! 5estoroyah tanked 3 uber spiral rays while SG was killed was killed by three normal ones! Superior durability!! So easily we forget that Dessy was severely injured by three "normal" red rays. They tore him open, exposing his vulnerable organs. Red SPIRAL Rays were what destroyed SG's body. More powerful than the red beam but not as powerful as the USR. Also, SG was dying or dead when he was hit with the RSRs. This much is stated outright. Once his shoulder crystals were gone he was essentially helpless. Like if you removed SMG's NT20 or Goji's nuclear heart.

3. SG had lesser or equal durability to Goji. No. How do I know this? It's very simple. Look at the scene where SG shrugs off the full might of Moguera's lasers, masers, and SGMs (for those not sure of what I'm talking about it's the first Earth bound battle between the two). Later in the film, goji and SG are locked in combat. Moggy attacks SG with the same weapons and Goji is hit with a glancing blow. While SG stands there unaffected, Godzilla (who didn't even catch the brunt of the assault) crumbles into a smoking heap.

4. Burning Godzilla is weaker than his normal self. No.... And yes. Even the weakest ray in BG's arsenal (the red ray) is stronger than his normal, fairly average Atomic Ray. His USR is the most frighteningly powerful weapon Heisei Godzilla ever wielded. It is leagues stronger than his AR and at least a decent amount more powerful than the Red Spiral Ray. What BG gains in offense he loses in defense, however. His regenerative abiities are working overtime to counteract the burning inside him. And it's a losing bttle. As a result, the Micro Oxygen Ray, an impressive concussive blast for sure, effects himn greatly. He also never really heals from the Laser Horn. One thing that people seem to forget is that Goji (as kikomia said) is sick. Worse yet.... He's dying. Do you people actually expect him to be as durable as he usually is?

5). Destoroyah is not intelligent. As least not any moreso than a fierce, predatory animal.

6) A statement was made that Dessy wouldve beaten BG if the SdF hadn't intervened. That's not true. Goji's Uber Spiral Rays sent him into a retreat. Goji might not have killed him, but he drove him away.

And PIPP.. Why do I bother providing the link and the citation if you're not going to bother checking it out. SG had him injured and flailing on the ground. He could have killed him if he kept blasting him. Instead he mocked Goji's helplessness and left.