Military Speculation (nationality, battles, masers, Super-X)

[NSZ]

You forgot to the bit about us making a new Godzilla and several other monsters.

To be fair, if Godzilla genetics in future films are as mutagenic as they were in the Heisei series, G2K, and possibly GxM, you won't be needing a nuke for more monsters.

So on one hand: nuke Godzilla and possibly get more monsters; and on the other: don't nuke him... and possibly get more monsters...

Huh... there is no right answer for this, is there?

[TokyoVigilante]

When we're presented with an Earthly and contemporary film setting, we have no reason but to assume that the laws and status quo also applies to this, unless the film lets us know up front otherwise. It's the reason why Japan nuking Godzilla in Kingdom of Monsters is so damn off-putting. We read the story assuming that this world is exactly like ours (sans the monsters), then BOOM; a country that isn't allowed to have a standing army and is one of the biggest proponents of nuclear disarmament just chucks one wily-nily. You've thrown your audience a curve-ball; this isn't our world anymore, this is a world with a completely different history and set of political dynamics that aren't even remotely explained or anything like ours. If Eric Powell wanted to tell an "Alternate History" story of a militaristic Imperial Japan fighting monsters or something (and skreeonk that would be cool), that is one thing, but since that clearly wasn't his intention we have no reason but to assume it's just bad writing.

It still wouldn't be as weak as the whole blackhole gun shinanigans because that is from an universe of established science-fiction-y goodness.

A nuclear weapon that Godzilla just "shrugs off" is, quite frankly, just juvenile macho-posturing. It's like Batman shrugging off getting shot in the mouth because Batman "is such a skreeonk badass". If there is ever an incarnation of Godzilla then can shrug off an Atom Bomb, then you've basically killed your tension because there isn't anything that can hurt him. Period. I know Godzilla is "invincible" and all that jazz, but even uber-tanks like Heisei Godzilla are stalled and roar when he's hit with a laser beam (also bleeds quite regularly).

If a nuclear weapon is brought into a Godzilla film, it had better damn well be the whole point of the film. It had better be the climax and it had better kill him skreeonk dead. But at that point, we aren't discussing "just nuking Godzilla", we're talking about entire story ideas.

[Living Corpse]

I don't remember saying anything about Japan using a nuke.

In fact they have that three non nuclear policy thing.

[Godzillaprime05]

They use on in KOM.

[TokyoVigilante]

I'm referring to how they use one in Kingdom of Monsters and how it makes no sense in the contemporary setting. If this film had the United States (or anyone) shooting a nuke at Godzilla as a casual reaction to his presence for no other reason for Godzilla to rise up and look like a BAMF and make fanboys drool, with no consideration of the cause-effect of using one, it degrades the writing considerably and undermines the actual gravity and magnitude of using a Nuclear weapon.

In a contemporary film, we assume that Police will act like real Police, that traffic is the same as regular traffic, and that the city of Toronto is the same as the real Toronto. If you start skreeonk around without explaining in the film (IE; ultra-violent battle cops because they're privatized, etc.) why things are skreeonk around, and your justification is that "Hey! it's a movie, it's not real! Real shit doesn't apply!" then you put the suspension of disbelief of your audience in an awkward position.

[Living Corpse]

They use on in KOM.

Oh that.

Yeah critical research failure.

[thatsoundman]

in some of the plots being explored here, there is a pattern showing up,
1 is what would happen if godzilla was nuked- that is the one i want to address, and this has been explored already....

in the 1991 version of the godzilla films, humans from the future go back in time and move godzilla to a remote part of the ocean so that he will not be bombarded with radiation. but where they move him to is a dumping ground for nuclear waste, so, not only does he still become godzilla, but he is bigger too. -- i am leaving out a lot so that the ones that have not seen this movie will enjoy it more.. (it is worth watching)

[NSZ]

Y'know, should he be in this movie, what would you all say to dropping a nuke on King Ghidorah?

[Living Corpse]

in some of the plots being explored here, there is a pattern showing up,
1 is what would happen if godzilla was nuked- that is the one i want to address, and this has been explored already....

in the 1991 version of the godzilla films, humans from the future go back in time and move godzilla to a remote part of the ocean so that he will not be bombarded with radiation. but where they move him to is a dumping ground for nuclear waste, so, not only does he still become godzilla, but he is bigger too. -- i am leaving out a lot so that the ones that have not seen this movie will enjoy it more.. (it is worth watching)

Older then you think.

Return of Godzilla and King Kong vs. Godzilla both discussed using a nuclear weapon on Godzilla and both times Japan said "HELL NO!"

[thatsoundman]

in both versions of godzilla 1985 and 1984, the prime minister tells both the reps from us and russia that japan has a firm policy on nukes, that being that they will not build, deploy, or use nukes for any reason... in spite of that the russians launch one anyway and it revives godzilla.

[TokyoVigilante]

in both versions of godzilla 1985 and 1984, the prime minister tells both the reps from us and russia that japan has a firm policy on nukes, that being that they will not build, deploy, or use nukes for any reason... in spite of that the russians launch one anyway and it revives godzilla.

No, it's launched by accident. Godzilla damages the launch computer in the Tokyo Bay when he first lands.

[Living Corpse]

He probably only saw the messed up U.S. version. Hell I haven't even seen the Japanese version.

[TokyoVigilante]

He probably only saw the messed up U.S. version. Hell I haven't even seen the Japanese version.

The only difference is that the Officer on the ship launches the missile on account of him being a crazy communist. But in both versions it is still treated as an accident.

[Kaiju-King42]

King Ghidorah? Well, I could see HIM surviving a nuke for sure. He did after all, wipe out civilizations far more advanced then ours, and obviously survived their far more advanced weapons.

[HayesAJones]

Have them try dropping a nuke on Ghidorah once he's defeated Godzilla, have Ghidorah blow it up midair, then radiation-absorption and ass-kickery time for Godzilla!

Assuming they use King Ghidorah, which I'm against for the first film.

[Tyler]

Monsters took place in a world where giant squid monsters were just an every day thing so I wonder if that'll rub off on Godzilla.

[CookieMonster]

Monsters took place in a world where giant squid monsters were just an every day thing so I wonder if that'll rub off on Godzilla.

U.S. sees Godzilla
"oh, there's Godzilla, wanna nuke him again?"
"yea go ah- you know what? We've nuked him all week, let's give him a break today."

[thatsoundman]

He probably only saw the messed up U.S. version. Hell I haven't even seen the Japanese version.

Actually, i have both and watched them back to back to make note of all the differences

[Shadow]

He probably only saw the messed up U.S. version. Hell I haven't even seen the Japanese version.

All I have is the japanese version of Godzilla 1984.
Wouldn't nuking Godzilla make him stronger though?

[Living Corpse]

He probably only saw the messed up U.S. version. Hell I haven't even seen the Japanese version.

All I have is the japanese version of Godzilla 1984.
Wouldn't nuking Godzilla make him stronger though?

Depends where he is during the blast.

Not near ground zero he would take some damage and survive, absorb the energy and get stronger.

Standing right in the heart of it and he's dead, vaporized.

ROG pretty much showed what happens when he isn't in the heart of the explosion, because the nuke was set off way high in the sky and the fallout brought him back for round 2 with Super X. It's pretty much how a Godzilla is made too, as long as there not in the heart of the explosion but somewhere that's distant enough to not be killed by the explosion and still close enough for the wind to carry fallout to them and it mutates a dinosaur and bam! Godzilla.