Your Religous Views

[Destroyer]

^.....I agree with what you're saying, but if you believe in evolution and not that man came from the first two people in Genesis, doesn't that conflict?

And for the record, I'm not here to bash anyone else's views, this is just what I believe.

[GojiFan]

Well, like I said, I don't know all the complexities on the evolution subject.

In my biology books it always said that (in simplified terms) that humans were evolved forms of apes.

That itself is incorrect. Apes and humans share a common ancestor. Humans did not evolve directly from modern apes.

That's what I've read in the past. And yes, I think the fact that God made the first humans sounds more logical than a cell mysteriously appearing out of nothing, (out of nothing) then being able to reproduce just automatically. And then somehow over billions of years, it forms complex things the human brain? It just doesn't sound logical.

The flaw in your argument is the same as the cell appearing out of nowhere. You believe God created us. Well, who created God then?

[Destroyer]

That itself is incorrect. Apes and humans share a common ancestor. Humans did not evolve directly from the modern apes.

I was stating just what my Biology books have said in the past. Then with this in mind, humans today should be evolving, yet we have remained the same for many, many years.

The flaw in your argument is the same as the cell appearing out of nowhere. You believe God created us. Well, who created God then?

I can't really say. In the beginning there was nothing, but God, that's just what I believe. And this is exactly why there will always be discussion, because both sides can't be explained perfectly.

[Legionmaster]

Then with this in mind, humans today should be evolving, yet we have remained the same for many, many years.

The processes that drive evolution have been affecting humans for as long as we've existed. Evolution in multicellular critters just happens on such a grand geological time scale, so of course it appears there wasn't been any change. Not to mention that just because the processes that drive evolution are forcing themselves upon a species doesn't necessitate that they will change much. Hence "living fossils" like coelocanths and most insects. And sharks. And many other animals.

Also, just a nitpick, as people should stop saying we evolved from apes. We still are apes. I mean, yes, we did evolve from apes, but the subtext of such a statement is that we are no longer apes, which just isn't true.

[Destroyer]

^And this is why I'm not a good debater with Evolution, because I haven't studied it deeply. Like, I honestly did not know what a 'coelocanth' is.

[Legionmaster]

Like, I honestly did not know what a 'coelocanth' is.

Well, it's the Pokemon Relicanth, but it's based on the coelocanth.





That's the actual coelocanth. They've basically remained unchanged for millions of years.

[RedZillaKing]

Don't forget horseshoe crabs. Don't get much more living fossily than that.

[PopInPicsPresents]

Don't forget horseshoe crabs. Don't get much more living fossily than that.

And crocodiles, alligators and sharks. 3 of the most perfect predators on the planet. Ironic how they haven't evolved much and yet they're near the top of their respected food chains.

[omgitsgodzilla]

Well, that's cause and effect. My original cell didn't appear out of nothing without a cause. And that's the thing, Evolution talks about how life started as a cell, but nothing could explain what came before that.

Number one, neither did the original cell appear from nowhere. We just don't know exactly how it formed. It's like a person a few hundred years ago saying ejaculation is unconnected with conception because the forming of a zygote hadn't been observed yet. Number two, scientists are getting there. They've already managed to get something like a cell membrane to form and replicate.

I don't believe it because I believe in the story of Adam and Eve. A Christian, a real Christian, believes what the Bible says.

If that means rejecting logical conclusions made from easily observable facts with a huge body of evidence supporting and reinforcing them in favor of a book pulled together from dozens of other books written over a span of thousands of years (with the last being written nearly two thousand years ago) which have since undergone who knows what kind of doctoring and revisionism, then a Christian, a real Christian, is badly delusional. I'm sorry. That's just stupid.

[RedZillaKing]

Lol, gotta love blatant uppity religious intolerance.

[Destroyer]

If that means rejecting logical conclusions made from easily observable facts with a huge body of evidence supporting and reinforcing them in favor of a book pulled together from dozens of other books written over a span of thousands of years (with the last being written nearly two thousand years ago) which have since undergone who knows what kind of doctoring and revisionism, then a Christian, a real Christian, is badly delusional. I'm sorry. That's just stupid.

I'm sure there have been many things changed in the newer versions of the Bible, but the core stories remain intact. It may look and sound stupid to people who are not Christians, but to Christians it's not. I don't mean to sound like a fanatic who doesn't know things, but I really don't know what else to say on the subject.

[omgitsgodzilla]

If people believe in God or in gods, and all that kind of stuff, fine. Science doesn't cover the supernatural, assuming it even exists. It can't say if it exists or not because science is the study of the natural world. It can't say whether there's a God or gods. But if they come out flatly contradicting hard science and acting as if science and the Bible are on level ground as far as support and evidence, I'm sorry but I'm going to call them on it. Perhaps I was unnecessarily harsh but these people can be mind-boggling at times.

[HeiseiGodzilla117]

^.....I agree with what you're saying, but if you believe in evolution and not that man came from the first two people in Genesis, doesn't that conflict?

How does that conflict? There are MANY stories in the bible that are just meant to explain the world to a group of people unfamiliar with science as we know it today.

[Destroyer]

^So you're saying that particular story is fake?

[omgitsgodzilla]

^.....I agree with what you're saying, but if you believe in evolution and not that man came from the first two people in Genesis, doesn't that conflict?

How does that conflict? There are MANY stories in the bible that are just meant to explain the world to a group of people unfamiliar with science as we know it today.

And thus are perfectly valid as fables or what have you, and certainly have historic significance, but are in no way scientific.

^So you're saying that particular story is fake?

I think he's saying it's an explanation created before people had the tools to find evidence and so on the way we do today. To say it's fake implies it was deliberately meant to fool people, so I wouldn't personally call it that. But I wouldn't call it correct either.

[HeiseiGodzilla117]

Omgitsgodzilla hit the nail right on the head. It's no more "real" than the story of Samson or Jonah and the Whale. It's simply an explanatory tale that also conveys some measure of moral principle.

[Destroyer]

I see.....interesting, I didn't know people viewed it like that.

[omgitsgodzilla]

It's logical, really. Think about it, would you believe all of the stories you hear in there happening today and coming from any other source? Be honest. Probably not.

[Destroyer]

I guess it depends on the source really. Well I learned a few new things from the debate, I did not know people viewed the stories as such.

[cloverfan98]

^.....I agree with what you're saying, but if you believe in evolution and not that man came from the first two people in Genesis, doesn't that conflict?

And for the record, I'm not here to bash anyone else's views, this is just what I believe.

Speaking for myself as a Christian yes evolution and the Bible totally conflict with each other. The big problem is that evolution is the idea that life has been living and dying for many, many, many, many, many, years. The Bible states that the punishment for sin is death. That because every man is both born in a corrupted sinful state and because we choose to disobey God, the punishment for that is death which was brought into the world as a result of the original sin of Adam and Eve. So if you've had evolution happening for many years, then death would not be a punishment for sin, thus contridicting over 98% of the Bible.