Destroyer wrote:Evolution is the belief that us, a human species, evolved from apes, correct? The Bible doesn't say that. You can't say you're a Christian when that contradicts. There are logical arguments against that.
1) Evolution is the process of change in all forms of life over generations. These changes, better known as mutations in evolutionary biological terms, take millions of years. It's an ongoing process, evolution never stops. There's no design, there's no goal behind it. When it comes to our primate heritage, we didn't evolve from the apes existing today; however, we are related to them as we are related to everything else on the planet. The fact we have a 99% DNA match with our primate relatives, along with countless other similarities and characteristics, speaks volumes. Molecular biology and the study of genetics/biochemistry has yielded remarkable findings on all this.
2) What you're claiming isn't logical. Already, you've shown your hand, which is a belief in the authorization of the Bible. Since the Bible is filled with many contradictions and inaccuracies, it's not a good source to cite. Since it's been disputed in this discussion, what's your Plan B? If you truly want to be logical, you should abandon making prejudgments, and investigate multiple non-affiliated sources to find the right answers.
I wasn't attempting to debunk evolution with the dinosaur fossil. When I say evidence, I don't mean direct 'findings.' 'There are no facts or direct 'proof' that I could provide for the existence or non-existence of God, just plain logical arguments.
Y'see what I bolded in your quote? That's a big contradiction. You confess there are no facts or direct proof for the existence or nonexistence of God, but then you turn around and claim there are logical arguments [for the existence and nonexistence of God]. What's so logical about that? Without evidence, you have nothing to rely on. All you really have are logical fallacies.
Many examples come to mind, such as if the earth were any closer or further to the sun, it wouldn't be able to provide life.
This neither proves or disproves the existence of God. For example: if you're claiming it's logical to believe God exists because the Earth's distance from the Sun made it possible for life, why not point out the inhospitable conditions of Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune and Uranus as proof of God's nonexistence? If you think the former 'point' is valid, then so's the latter 'explanation'.
And there's DNA, precise DNA. Cause and effect, etc. Does evolution exactly state how we started at the beginning? No, cause it can't really fully explain how we 'evolved' from nonliving matter. It doesn't make any kind of logical sense, so a little cell just evolved out of nowhere into an ape and into a human? Does that really make sense?
Except evolution never claims what started life. It's about the process
of life, not
the beginning of life.
What sounds more logical?
1) Through unknown means, the first single-celled organisms emerged on our planet. Over time, they evolved more and more cells. After billions of years of reproducing, traveling and adapting, these first cells took on different shapes. These changes to us would've taken several lifetimes to notice. Even in a geographical sense, it's not immediate. However, it becomes more apparent over longer periods of time. After spreading throughout the globe to inhabit different environments, these organisms adapted in different, fascinating ways. Long story short, the principle ancestors of all life on this planet managed to survive and pass on their genes, which would mutate over long periods of time, before finally becoming us.
If you're impatient, look no further than our own birth cycle. We all started out as a single cell. Over time, we became something much more. How we are conceived, how we are grown in the womb, how we are born, and how we grow and age and live and die is like watching the entire history of our evolution all condensed into a single lifetime.
2) God did it.
Yeah, threads like this never go well, haha. Well, I've stated what I've stated.
I think threads like these never go well because people let them escalate into petty squabbles. You'd be surprised by how many intelligent, mature and peaceful discussions I've had on this subject.