Your Religous Views

[wataru]

Evolution *isn't* a fact.

We have facts and evidence that life does change over time. We have human fossils from two million years ago in Africa that support that early humans started life there before the Ice age. Not saying evolution is not a fact is like saying "I don't think rain comes from clouds and that water still comes from Poseideon or Neith".

What made the small mammal species evolve from mouse-like beings into Homo sapien?

The actual beginning and constant gene mutation of evolution itself could (and by many seccts) be intereperted as the Hand of God.

[Spirit Ghidorah 2010]

Cause they are exclusive, you can't believe in two things like that, it's one or the other.

There has never been direct evidence of that. Evidence supports a hand in creation. Like not too long ago a dinosaur fossil was found WITH tissue, debunking the earth being millions of years old.

Million-year old tissue isn't really anything new; people have found such fossils for years.

Now, if the actual DNA was relatively intact, that's a different story. But last time I checked, it wasn't.

[GojiFan]

Cause they are exclusive, you can't believe in two things like that, it's one or the other.

There has never been direct evidence of that. Evidence supports a hand in creation. Like not too long ago a dinosaur fossil was found WITH tissue, debunking the earth being millions of years old.

Ever hear of "intelligent design"? That is exactly what LGM was referring to.

[Destroyer]

Thinking about it, it might have been DNA, I'll see if I could find out.

I didn't think that was what LGM was referring to.

[Legionmaster]

I didn't think that was what LGM was referring to.

It wasn't. ID is ridiculous and just a cover up for Creationism. I was refering to the view that evolution is just a process which God uses. This does, however, require one to reject a young-Earth theory (which is probably a good idea anyway, since young-Earth theories are just as ridiculous as the Flat Earth ones).

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

Evolution *isn't* a fact.

The word theory in the theory of evolution does not imply mainstream scientific doubt regarding its validity; the concepts of theory and hypothesis have specific meanings in a scientific context. While theory in colloquial usage may denote a hunch or conjecture, a scientific theory is a set of principles that explains observable phenomena in natural terms.[169][170] "Scientific fact and theory are not categorically separable",[171] and evolution is a theory in the same sense as germ theory or the theory of gravitation.[172]

169 "Evolutionary Science and Society: Educating a New Generation (TOC)" (PDF). Revised Proceedings of the BSCS, AIBS Symposium. MSU.edu. November 2004. Retrieved 2011-01-13.[page needed]
170 ^ "It Is Not Just a Theory… It Is a Theory!". Chandra Chronicles. Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. July 7, 2008. Retrieved 2009-04-08.
171 ^ Kuhn, Thomas S. (1996). The Structure of Scientific Revolutions (Third ed.). Chicago: University of Chicago Press. p. 7. ISBN 0-226-45808-3.
172 ^ "Misconceptions about the Nature of Science". UMT.edu. University of Montana, Div. Biological Sciences. Retrieved 2009-04-08.

PDF for 169: https://www.msu.edu/~pennock5/research/ ... ureSci.pdf
Link for 170: http://chandra.harvard.edu/chronicle/03 ... index.html
Link for 1720: http://evoled.dbs.umt.edu/lessons/miscon.htm#3

[Tomzilla]

Cause they are exclusive, you can't believe in two things like that, it's one or the other.

Don't leave us in suspense! Please, explain why you can't believe in both God and evolution.

There has never been direct evidence of that.

At the top of my head, there are three books in my collection alone that proves evolution is true. They are: Why Evolution Is True, The Greatest Show On Earth and The Ancestor's Tale. Go read about evolution in great detail before denouncing it, especially when you can't even provide evidence for an alternative theory. Many scientists have spent the last century amassing so much data in favor of evolution it's not even funny. This is not some massive hoax concocted by complete strangers. No, this data was collected by thousands of non-affiliated groups. In order to be considered a scientific theory, you must survive a series of investigations. Many, many scientists would kill for the chance to debunk evolution. Why? It's because if it's wrong, there's evidence somewhere out there against and everyone should know about it. That and debunking evolution would get you in the history books. So evolution has been scrutinized probably more than any other scientific theory. In doing so, it has amassed so much overwhelming evidence in its favor.

The fossil records, microbiology, comparative anatomy, comparative embryology, biogeography, genetics, biochemistry, and so many other fields unanimously agree: Evolution is a fact.

Evidence supports a hand in creation. Like not too long ago a dinosaur fossil was found WITH tissue, debunking the earth being millions of years old.

Evidence supports a hand in creation? Where's your evidence? Telling us a dinosaur fossil found with tissue doesn't debunk evolution nor does it prove the existence of God. If you disagree, please explain why. Also, debunking evolution wouldn't prove the existence of God either. You need to be extremely thorough here. So show your work and provide non-biased, reliable sources. Otherwise you won't be taken seriously.

[Jomei]

Evolution *isn't* a fact.

You're right. It's an overall picture that comes together from an incredible number of individual facts that amass, pointing to the same conclusion. A theory, in scientific terms, is much, much more powerful than a mere fact. A fact can be disproved in an instant; a theory would take a total revolution in our knowledge to unravel.

[PopInPicsPresents]

Let's just all agree that the Earth is 6000 years old and dinosaur bones were placed on Earth to test Man's faith

oh wait...

[Mitchal]

Dear lord these threads never go well.

I have no problem with most religions. Hell, any religion is fine as long as you aren't a lousy fanatic.

The only religion I am openly against is Islam.

Edit: Also yes. Evolution is a fact.

[Legionmaster]

The fossil records, microbiology, comparative anatomy, comparative embryology, biogeography, genetics, biochemistry, and so many other fields unanimously agree: Evolution is a fact.

It's all part of the Jewish conspiracy.

[Destroyer]

Don't leave us in suspense! Please, explain why you can't believe in both God and evolution.

Evolution is the belief that us, a human species, evolved from apes, correct? The Bible doesn't say that. You can't say you're a Christian when that contradicts. There are logical arguments against that.

Evidence supports a hand in creation? Where's your evidence? Telling us a dinosaur fossil found with tissue doesn't debunk evolution nor does it prove the existence of God. If you disagree, please explain why. Also, debunking evolution wouldn't prove the existence of God either. You need to be extremely thorough here. So show your work and provide non-biased, reliable sources. Otherwise you won't be taken seriously.

I wasn't attempting to debunk evolution with the dinosaur fossil. When I say evidence, I don't mean direct 'findings.' 'There are no facts or direct 'proof' that I could provide for the existence or non-existence of God, just plain logical arguments. Many examples come to mind, such as if the earth were any closer or further to the sun, it wouldn't be able to provide life. And there's DNA, precise DNA. Cause and effect, etc. Does evolution exactly state how we started at the beginning? No, cause it can't really fully explain how we 'evolved' from nonliving matter. It doesn't make any kind of logical sense, so a little cell just evolved out of nowhere into an ape and into a human? Does that really make sense?

Yeah, threads like this never go well, haha. Well, I've stated what I've stated.

But what it comes down to, is that both theories don't prove everything perfectly. If they did, there would be no discussion. There's difficulties with both, and ultimately, you just have to come to a conclusion that you think is logical and makes the most sense.

[HeiseiGodzilla117]

Evolution is the belief that us, a human species, evolved from apes, correct? The Bible doesn't say that. You can't say you're a Christian when that contradicts. There are logical arguments against that.

I really don't think you understand what evolution is, man... I also don't think you realize that there are many christians who recognize evolution as a FACT and don't consider it to be in conflict with their belief.

[Destroyer]

^Maybe, but that's what it is, correct? Evolution, as in evolving from a lower specimen to a higher species of life.

Am I missing something here?

[HeiseiGodzilla117]

You're severely oversimplifying things. It isn't simple organisms magically changing themselves into complex, intelligent ones.

"In the broadest sense, evolution is merely change, and so is all-pervasive; galaxies, languages, and political systems all evolve. Biological evolution ... is change in the properties of populations of organisms that transcend the lifetime of a single individual. The ontogeny of an individual is not considered evolution; individual organisms do not evolve. The changes in populations that are considered evolutionary are those that are inheritable via the genetic material from one generation to the next. Biological evolution may be slight or substantial; it embraces everything from slight changes in the proportion of different alleles within a population (such as those determining blood types) to the successive alterations that led from the earliest protoorganism to snails, bees, giraffes, and dandelions."
- Douglas J. Futuyma in Evolutionary Biology, Sinauer Associates 1986

Even this definition, taken from a random site, is oversimplified.

[Godzillaprime05]

What I learned back in Biology was that there are to different parts to evolution : Macroevolution which is big changes like monkeys to people. Microevolution is small changes that allow for new species of a genus. Because the Bible said we we're made in His image I don't believe in macro. But he made all the creatures of the land sea and air. Because microevolution has been proved, I believe he made for example a proto-horse, and all modern species of horse.is derived from mutations to said proto-horse. A mutation by the way is almost always a loss of genetic information and one of the arguments against macro is not enough positive mutations to create new genus.

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

Cause they are exclusive, you can't believe in two things like that, it's one or the other.

Don't leave us in suspense! Please, explain why you can't believe in both God and evolution.

I believe the Catholic Church builds a good bridge between such a gap.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religio ... anity.html

It is called that Evolution is a part of God's ultimate plan. And that, while life evolves, the human soul does not. The soul is a gift from God. The soul is given to humans (and other intelligent lifeforms) when God feels they have achieved the ability to recognize Him.

[Hellspawn28]

How come religion never mention anything about Aliens? I guess most religous people think that God only created humans as the only race in the Universe? I personally say if a God does exist then I imagine that they created other races in the Universe outside of the human race?

[SuperSaiyan4Godzilla]

How come religion never mention anything about Aliens? I guess most religous people think that God only created humans as the only race in the Universe? I personally say if a God does exist then I imagine that they created other races in the Universe outside of the human race?

See the Ancient Alien theory.

However, for the longest time, there was just one planet: Earth. There are different Worlds such as Heaven and Hell, but they are treated like different planes of existence rather than planets.

[Godzillaprime05]

The Bible only records history of humanity and its creation. It doesn't explain where angels or demons came from, so you could easily be right.