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Re: Favorite Gigan and Ghidorah Incarnations

Postby menschenjaeger » Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:15 am

hammysammy59 wrote:For me it's Heisei Ghidorah all the way. I love the monster design. I know he's a little stiff, and his heads aren't as wild as Showa Ghidorah, but I just dig the Heisei one more. Personality wise, it's the original Showa Ghidorah... I like him better when he's acting on his own instead of being enslaved by aliens.


The all-over-the-place heads of the Showa-era King G are probably my favorite part of the character. Just reckless, wild destruction, and unlike anything we've ever seen from other kaiju. It also makes for one subtle but very cool moment in GTTHM - when Rodan flies over him, kicking all of his heads, to get his attention, and those flailing heads all line up and look at Rodan before King G goes airborne in pursuit. Love that shot.
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Re: Favorite Gigan and Ghidorah Incarnations

Postby Primevalgodzilla V2 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:47 am

Ghidorah

Grand King Ghidorah: His design is approporiately terrifying and I love his wings- it really makes him look regal. Technically he's the real successor to the original Showa Ghidorah, following him in being a total sadistic bastard who goes around eating children specifically. He's almost cartoonishly evil- but its RoM, so it works. Showa Ghyidorah kinda gets points notched off for those ugly hair-tufts and being an alien pet 90% of the time- he's only the devastating planet destroyer for a blink of an eye. Heisei is boring, although he does look cool, and I don't care for GMK.

Gigan

Showa Gigan here. He's way more threatening, yet amusing and entertaining, being a sadistic little bully, and his partnership with Megalon is much more solid than the MX-Gigan nonsense. He's also made Godzilla bleed, while FW Gigan gains 10 billion new flashy capabilities and ends up getting decapicated twice. He could be a little less plump, but otherwise he's a really cool kaiju that bleeds personality.
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Re: Favorite Gigan and Ghidorah Incarnations

Postby Tohosaurus » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:16 am

Legion1979 wrote:I can't believe so many people are saying the FW Gigan. I don't get the appeal of this ugly steampunk thing that dies like a f@cking bitch the exact same way twice and doesn't show even a fraction of the personality and character of the original, let alone the ability to fight for more than a nanosecond without getting his entire head blown off.

I can't believe the way Kitamura was able to use one terrible movie to manipulate a large segment of the younger Godzilla fan community into liking an easily inferior version of a classic monster.

Holy crap! You mean people disagree with your opinion?! ZOMG, get the kaiju fan police out here pronto! :roll:


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It does a wonderful job of giving the GMK Ghidorah more appropriate proportions. If it had a bit more of a fearsome face, it'd be an excellent incarnation (speaking strictly from design, of course) of the character.

That looks brilliant.
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Re: Favorite Gigan and Ghidorah Incarnations

Postby Giga Kaiju » Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:16 pm

In Order for each monster:

Gigan:

1.- Showa: Original and being portrayed as a wicked and strange monster.
2.- Millenium: It has a cool and futuristic look but just that.

King Ghidorah:

1.- Heisei: Evil and malicious face (faces to be more precise) and the first design that i watched of Ghidorah.

2.- Showa: Wicked and crazy, at first i didnt like the hair in his necks but i changed my mind about them and it just gives him a more
demented feel to it.

3.- Millenium: Least favorite but awesome in its own way, he has that heroic feel. Those horns at the side of the mouth are just great
(Nice tribute to Varan). And those pictures above give him a more imponent stance and scarier feel to it.
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Re: Favorite Gigan and Ghidorah Incarnations

Postby MechaZillaClone » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:12 pm

Millennium Gigan and Grand Ghidorah are my favorites of the characters (you can tell I like GKG, look at my avatar for pete's sake) and as far as GKG having Heisei KG's roar, I liked it. I always liked Heisei King Ghidorah's roar, and his design is my second favorite.
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Re: Favorite Gigan and Ghidorah Incarnations

Postby SuperSaiyan4Godzilla » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:15 pm

Legion1979 wrote:I can't believe so many people are saying the FW Gigan. I don't get the appeal of this ugly steampunk thing that dies like a f@cking bitch the exact same way twice and doesn't show even a fraction of the personality and character of the original, let alone the ability to fight for more than a nanosecond without getting his entire head blown off.


Except GFW Gigan isn't steampunk...at all.

And I don't get where Gigan (or almost any monster for that matter) has a personality.
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Re: Favorite Gigan and Ghidorah Incarnations

Postby Destroyer » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:30 pm

And I don't get where Gigan (or almost any monster for that matter) has a personality.


Do you mean all the monsters from the different eras? Most if not all the monsters display personality. Showa Gigan for example displays a personality of craziness, he enjoys making things bleed, as displayed in Godzilla vs. Gigan.

Rodan has an energetic personality, he thinks he's pretty cool and top dog, as seen in Ghidorah.

Destoroyah displays a personality of being sadistic, he doesn't just beat his opponents, he humiliates them, as seen in Godzilla vs. Destoroyah.

Those are just a few examples.
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Re: Favorite Gigan and Ghidorah Incarnations

Postby SuperSaiyan4Godzilla » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:36 pm

Destroyer wrote:
And I don't get where Gigan (or almost any monster for that matter) has a personality.


Do you mean all the monsters from the different eras? Most if not all the monsters display personality. Showa Gigan for example displays a personality of craziness, he enjoys making things bleed, as displayed in Godzilla vs. Gigan.

Rodan has an energetic personality, he thinks he's pretty cool and top dog, as seen in Ghidorah.

Destoroyah displays a personality of being sadistic, he doesn't just beat his opponents, he humiliates them, as seen in Godzilla vs. Destoroyah.

Those are just a few examples.


I saw him use his weapons effectively. I saw no sadism or craziness in Gigan's nor any semblance of personality.

I saw Rodan slap his wings in GTTHM...not really much else.

Detoroyah is one of the few that has a personality.

The rest just seem to be silent protagonists and we project such personalities upon them.
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Re: Favorite Gigan and Ghidorah Incarnations

Postby Destroyer » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:53 pm

^Right when he saw he was bleeding the heck out of Godzilla, he looks creepily happy and presided to do it even more.

And in Godzilla vs. Megalon, he takes Jet Jaguar hostage, another display of personality.

You're probably right about projecting, but the monsters display something for us to project deeper personalities. Monsters like Hedorah and Baragon barely showcase any type of personality, it's us the fans that give them that.

But a lot of the monsters, (Titanosaurus, Mothra, the conversation between Godzilla and Anguirus in Godzilla vs. Gigan) have distinctive personalities.
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Re: Favorite Gigan and Ghidorah Incarnations

Postby SuperSaiyan4Godzilla » Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:59 pm

Destroyer wrote:^Right when he saw he was bleeding the heck out of Godzilla, he looks creepily happy and presided to do it even more.

And in Godzilla vs. Megalon, he takes Jet Jaguar hostage, another display of personality.

You're probably right about projecting, but the monsters display something for us to project deeper personalities. Monsters like Hedorah and Baragon barely showcase any type of personality, it's us the fans that give them that.

But a lot of the monsters, (Titanosaurus, Mothra, the conversation between Godzilla and Anguirus in Godzilla vs. Gigan) have distinctive personalities.


I saw no happiness in an inanimate object...Cause its a suit. It can't take facial expressions unless it has the mechanical joints in it to do so. And the Gigan suit isn't made to do that...

And yes...Gigan is a villain. Most villains like hostages. It is a generally evil thing to do. What you're proving is that Gigan does EVIL things.

Nextamente...I see no distinct personalities in any of the monsters spare the GvG where they actually talk.

Yeah I don't think Godzilla's ever had much personality. It doesn't take a being of complexity to do a few campy quirks.
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Re: Favorite Gigan and Ghidorah Incarnations

Postby Destroyer » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:15 pm

^At the sights of blood, he seemed to go crazy for it.

Gigan is intelligent, a non-intelligent character wouldn't know to take a hostage.

Godzilla has had incarnations where he's just a 'walking event.' (54, GMK, Against Mechagodzilla) but he had displayed character, especially in Terror of Mechagodzilla. Mainly in the Showa era is when he displayed a distinctive personality.
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Re: Favorite Gigan and Ghidorah Incarnations

Postby Legion1979 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:56 pm

Look at the scene where Gigan does a happy dance, laughs and clacks his claws together after Ghidora puts down Godzilla and Angilas and tell me he doesn't have a personality. He does the same thing in Megalon as well.

Anyone saying the Showa Gigan doesn't have a personality just wants to be "that guy". Because most people I know who prefer this Gigan (and even many who don't) will tell you personality is part of this character's appeal.
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Re: Favorite Gigan and Ghidorah Incarnations

Postby Lord Gappa » Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:05 pm

For Ghidorahs, I'd take Showa and Heisei over most of the other incarnations. Showa for his planet-destroyer background and psychotic personality, and Heisei for it's design. I personally find it to be the most menacing look of the others. Desghidorah is pretty cool as well.

For Gigans, defiantly Showa. It has an enjoyable personality and actually is useful instead of being nothing but cannon fodder (*coughFWcough*).
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Re: Favorite Gigan and Ghidorah Incarnations

Postby SuperSaiyan4Godzilla » Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:00 pm

Legion1979 wrote:Look at the scene where Gigan does a happy dance, laughs and clacks his claws together after Ghidora puts down Godzilla and Angilas and tell me he doesn't have a personality. He does the same thing in Megalon as well.

Anyone saying the Showa Gigan doesn't have a personality just wants to be "that guy". Because most people I know who prefer this Gigan (and even many who don't) will tell you personality is part of this character's appeal.


...My point of saying "A few quirky moments don't make a character complex" still stands.
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Re: Favorite Gigan and Ghidorah Incarnations

Postby Tyler » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:00 pm

This one's a little out there but I love the wings.
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They're huge and Ghidorah-like, but it looks like they can do a bit more.
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Re: Favorite Gigan and Ghidorah Incarnations

Postby Tohosaurus » Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:20 pm

In that picture of KG, what's down at the left? It's like a Bagan/Destoroyah type thing.
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Re: Favorite Gigan and Ghidorah Incarnations

Postby Kaiju-King42 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:43 pm

Legion1979 wrote:Look at the scene where Gigan does a happy dance, laughs and clacks his claws together after Ghidora puts down Godzilla and Angilas and tell me he doesn't have a personality. He does the same thing in Megalon as well.


My god. For once, I agree completely with Legion1979. What is this world coming too? :lol:
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Re: Favorite Gigan and Ghidorah Incarnations

Postby RedZillaKing » Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:49 am

SuperSaiyan4Godzilla wrote:
...My point of saying "A few quirky moments don't make a character complex" still stands.


I thought we were talking about personality, not complexity. Godzilla monsters absolutely have personality. It's the entire reason that the franchise has endured for all these years. Granted some of them are little more than animals (Megaguirus comes to mind), but the majority of Showa beasts displayed personality. I'm honestly baffled at how you can think an expressionless lump like Destoroyah conveys personality, while all you got from Rodan in GTTHM was wing flapping.

Legion1979 wrote:I don't get the appeal of this ugly steampunk thing that dies like a f@cking bitch the exact same way twice and doesn't show even a fraction of the personality and character of the original, let alone the ability to fight for more than a nanosecond without getting his entire head blown off.

You don't actually seem to know what you're talking about. Only Gigan's first battle was short. And he didn't die the same way twice. That's like saying a man who got his head chewed off by a bear and a guy whose head was blown off by a shotgun died the same way.

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Re: Favorite Gigan and Ghidorah Incarnations

Postby Living Corpse » Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:06 am

SuperSaiyan4Godzilla wrote:
...My point of saying "A few quirky moments don't make a character complex" still stands.


They're giant monsters. Short of psychic bonding you're kinda limited on what you can do with their character other then making them show some behavior quirks like Godzilla clapping his hands or outlandish shit like his victory jump dance. Can't exactly have them talk to establish character unless it's something fantasy like a monster from Final Fantasy (waits for some asshole to jump in and mention the "talking" in Gigan).
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Re: Favorite Gigan and Ghidorah Incarnations

Postby Varan58 » Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:46 pm

Showa Gigan, easily. Watching him interact with his allies is a ton of fun to watch, and his design is so wonderfully goofy. I certainly don't mind the FW version in terms of design and abilities, though.

As for Ghidorah, again, gonna have to go with the classic Showa incarnation. The wireworks on that thing are just so impressive, plus I love that awesome cackle of his.
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