Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

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Re: Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

Postby Goji » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:34 pm

DinoZillaGod wrote:
Living Corpse wrote:Graphics are games.

SFX are movies.

Just my $00.2

They call most of the special effects in movies nowadays CGI, know what that stands for? Computer Graphic Images
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer-generated_imagery this link will tell you, it stands for computer generated or computer graphics either one, meaning nowadays special effects can be called graphics.


Stop talking to people like they're skreeonk retarded.

Not all SPX in film nowadays are done via CGI. Derrrrrp.
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Re: Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

Postby Goji » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:51 pm

No, they can't be used for both. You're an idiot.
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Re: Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

Postby Living Corpse » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:52 pm

I think we should all just take a break and cool down.
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Re: Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

Postby Destroyer » Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:58 pm

Graphics apply to video games, not to movies.
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Re: Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

Postby Destroyer » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:35 pm

You can't use the term 'graphics' to describe a film. "The graphics in Final Wars...." that just doesn't make sense.
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Re: Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

Postby Destroyer » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:41 pm

For films, you always use the terms 'Effects' Special Effects' 'SPX' and 'CGI,' never 'graphics.'
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Re: Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

Postby Destroyer » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:07 pm

No one uses the term 'graphics' to describe a film, it just isn't done.

CGI is the correct term when describing a film, people only use the term 'graphics' when talking about video games.

Back on topic, does anyone like Godzilla's theme from the film? I thought it was very good.
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Re: Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

Postby kaiju115 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:26 pm

I know Final wars does have its flaws, but I still enjoyed the heck out it, & I would definitely put on my list of top 10 Godzilla movies. In fact James Rolfe from Cinemassacre.com even put it on #3 of his top 10 Godzilla films, after Godzilla vs King Ghidorah, & the original 1954 masterpiece.
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Re: Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:40 pm

kaiju115 wrote:I know Final wars does have its flaws, but I still enjoyed the heck out it, & I would definitely put on my list of top 10 Godzilla movies. In fact James Rolfe from Cinemassacre.com even put it on #3 of his top 10 Godzilla films, after Godzilla vs King Ghidorah, & the original 1954 masterpiece.


Nobody should like the film just because James Rolfe likes it. Also, that's just his opinion on which ones he enjoys the most. I'm sure if he made a list of what he thinks are the most well-made Godzilla films, GFW would not be on that list.
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Re: Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

Postby Tohosaurus » Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:49 pm

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:
kaiju115 wrote:I know Final wars does have its flaws, but I still enjoyed the heck out it, & I would definitely put on my list of top 10 Godzilla movies. In fact James Rolfe from Cinemassacre.com even put it on #3 of his top 10 Godzilla films, after Godzilla vs King Ghidorah, & the original 1954 masterpiece.


Nobody should like the film just because James Rolfe likes it. Also, that's just his opinion on which ones he enjoys the most. I'm sure if he made a list of what he thinks are the most well-made Godzilla films, GFW would not be on that list.

That's really the point though. We all love Godzilla movies but precious little are astoundingly well made, but they're still FUN and we LIKE them.

I'm not defending Final Wars, of course. I've spent plenty of bandwidth in this thread alone outlining the problems I have with the film. I just don't appreciated people being blasted for liking it.
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Re: Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

Postby GotengoXGodzilla » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:05 pm

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kaiju115 wrote:I know Final wars does have its flaws, but I still enjoyed the heck out it, & I would definitely put on my list of top 10 Godzilla movies. In fact James Rolfe from Cinemassacre.com even put it on #3 of his top 10 Godzilla films, after Godzilla vs King Ghidorah, & the original 1954 masterpiece.


Nobody should like the film just because James Rolfe likes it. Also, that's just his opinion on which ones he enjoys the most. I'm sure if he made a list of what he thinks are the most well-made Godzilla films, GFW would not be on that list.

That's really the point though. We all love Godzilla movies but precious little are astoundingly well made, but they're still FUN and we LIKE them.

I'm not defending Final Wars, of course. I've spent plenty of bandwidth in this thread alone outlining the problems I have with the film. I just don't appreciated people being blasted for liking it.


For the record, I'm not blasting anyone for liking GFW. If you like GFW, that's fine. I have no problem with anyone liking the film. It's when people start proclaiming that GFW is a good film that I start questioning that person. I do think that there's a massive difference between saying you like/dislike a film, and saying that a film is good/bad.
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Re: Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

Postby Tohosaurus » Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:22 pm

GotengoXGodzilla wrote:For the record, I'm not blasting anyone for liking GFW. If you like GFW, that's fine. I have no problem with anyone liking the film. It's when people start proclaiming that GFW is a good film that I start questioning that person. I do think that there's a massive difference between saying you like/dislike a film, and saying that a film is good/bad.

I agree with this.
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Re: Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

Postby ManWithNoName » Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:25 am

This movie effin' sucked that's why.
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Re: Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

Postby kaiju115 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:37 am

Tohosaurus wrote:
GotengoXGodzilla wrote:For the record, I'm not blasting anyone for liking GFW. If you like GFW, that's fine. I have no problem with anyone liking the film. It's when people start proclaiming that GFW is a good film that I start questioning that person. I do think that there's a massive difference between saying you like/dislike a film, and saying that a film is good/bad.

I agree with this.


I agree as well, and I don't know how else to say it, but to me Final Wars is just one those movies thats so bad is awesome, just like TMNT 2 the secret of the ooze, its goofy, and ridiculous but its still a fun film to watch.
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Re: Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

Postby ebirahsmeg1 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:20 pm

Maybe I'm getting old (early 30s), but I am a little dismayed at the large number of people who are saying they think the likes of GFW Gigan and GMK Ghidorah are the "best" incarnations. To each their own/everyone has the right to their opinion/blah blah blah...now that we have that obligatory PC nonsense out of the way....

GFW Gigan couldn't wear the jockstrap to the showa version...and this is coming from someone who likes GFW. GFW Gigan isn't terrible, but it doesn't even come close to capturing the beauty and uniqueness of the original suit; instead, it looks more like a cheap, Ultraman/Power Rangers monster you'd see on TV. Also, the showa Gigan gave Godzilla one of his toughest battles, and was one of the few kaiju to make Godzilla bleed. The GFW Gigan, on the other hand, was basically Godzilla's little bitch.

But it's GMK Ghidorah really brings my piss to a boil :evil: I get so angry even thinking about this thing, which I refer to as KINO (KG in name only). Basically, they took what *was* Godzilla's arch enemy and most powerful foe and bascially turned him into a short, fat, p*ssified runt. And spare me the "oh, I thought his role as hero was neat and a nice change!" or "You just couldn't accept him in a different role other than as the villian" nonsense I have heard a million times before from people who laughably try to defend/praise this thing...my abhorrence of KINO goes far beyond the fact he was in the "hero's role" (Mecha-KG played the hero's role in GvsKG, and I love Mecha-KG). Hero or villian, I thought watering him down, shrinking him in size, and making him extremely weak and pathetic was deplorable and an outrage. It would be like a Spiderman comic and turning Venom into a midget and a vegan. Even more distressing is that TOHO seems intent on making this thing their preferred image of KG (hence look how they forced IDW's Zornow to change his Showa KG cover to the GMK version).

Anyways, now that I've gotten that off my chest:

Gigan - Showa Gigan 72 version. I like the 73 version too. GFW Gigan...couldn't really care one way or another...it's just "so-so".

King Ghidorah:

1. Showa King Ghidorah - The *real*, true version of King Ghidorah. He was one of the few opponents that Godzilla needed help from various allies (Rodan, Mothra, Angilas, Gorosaurus, etc.) to defeat him. Sadly, I have lost any hope that we will ever see this type of incarnation of KG ever again :cry:
2. Keizer Ghidorah - I know some will cry foul and blasphemy, but please hear me out. I want to make it very clear, I *hate* this suit and design big time. Hate it hate it hate it. I also do not like the changing of the roars (although at least they sounded different/unique and not just like a variation of Rodan's roar). However, it's the only version of KG since the showa era that treated KG as he should be...which is as Godzilla's ultimate enemy and arch rival. Bottomline, terrible suit and look, but great job in capturing what KG is/should be.
3. Grand King Ghidorah and Heisei KG - I use to be a Grand KG fan because...well, quite frankly, because I owned the wonderful Bandai GKG figure :lol: I owned the figure before I ever saw the film, and I thought "Now this is the KG design we *should* have gotten in the newer G films. Eventually, I saw Mothra 3 and...um....meh. :| Disappointed/underwhelmed/unimpressed/etc.

Heisei KG was a wonderful design and fitting update to KG...but sadly, he didn't really put up much of a fight and was defeated rather easily by Godzilla. Also, he looked *very* stiff when flying, especially in the scenes where he battles the jets. His roars were just high pitch versions of Rodan, and what the hell was up with the awful Dorats? :roll: Overall, both these suits look fantastic on paper and in figure form, but one screen they were somewhat of a let down. If we could just take the heisei suit and give it the power of Keizer KG, then perhaps we would have a worthy incarnation of KG.
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Re: Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

Postby Legion1979 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:02 pm

ebirahsmeg1 wrote:Maybe I'm getting old (early 30s), but I am a little dismayed at the large number of people who are saying they think the likes of GFW Gigan and GMK Ghidorah are the "best" incarnations.


I think it's really a younger fan/TK sort of thing. You're definitely not going to hear the same thing from the older crowd over at Club Tokyo and I know very, very few Godzilla fans past the age of, say, 25 who would put ANY incarnation of Gigan and Ghidora above the Showa versions. I did a poll over at CT for best Ghidora (and I think I mentioned it at the FB groups I'm a member/admin of) and the votes for the original were almost unanimous.

So don't worry about it, ebs. The Showa versions of these guys will always be tops. There's just a vocal segment of American Godzilla fandom who, for whatever reasons, prefer later versions. You live in Japan. You can tell us which ones are the most popular over there, where it counts.
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Re: Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

Postby Godzillaprime05 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:04 pm

Nothing can ever replace the originals, but a new look or twist sometimes can be refreshing.
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Re: Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

Postby Godzilla 2000 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:18 pm

Legion1979 wrote:
So don't worry about it, ebs. The Showa versions of these guys will always be tops. There's just a vocal segment of American Godzilla fandom who, for whatever reasons, prefer later versions.


Er...because they look cool? Because they're the new/current designs? Because they're a breath of fresh air?

I mean, I LOVE Final Wars Gigan. I think its a much need revamp of a classic character. He looks like an assassin; sleek, deadly, and with a very nice evil grin to top it all off. Its how he was used that I absolutely hate. He was a complete waste, and had NO personality to speak of.

At the end of the day, I do prefer the Showa Gigan, not just because he actually has a personality to speak of, but his simpler, more awkward design is just eye-catching. Its classic Gigan. But I dont see whats so wrong with people liking the newer incarnations more. They just appeal to those people more, like those who arent fans of the Showa movies that prefer Heisei/Millennium.

Different tastes.

You live in Japan. You can tell us which ones are the most popular over there, where it counts.


Who cares what they think? Honestly.

We dont live over there, and their preferences shouldnt be used to disregard or demean our opinions. Are the opinions of the American fanbase invalid simply because were are not from Japan?


Its like...

"I prefer Heisei Ghidorah over the Showa one."

"The japanese fans like the Showa Ghidorah more."

"Um, cool? I still like Heisei Ghidorah more."


"But the Showa one is more popular in Japan."

"Yeah well, I'm not Japan, now am I?"



When it should be...

"I prefer Heisei Ghidorah over the Showa one."

"Thats cool. I hear that the Showa Ghidorah is a fan favorite over in Japan."

"Really? Thats interesting."


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Re: Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

Postby Hellspawn28 » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:06 pm

I personally love Final Wars Gigan but I always say the Showa Gigan would be my favorite. I never like GMK King Ghidorah that much since his design was alright but I never care for that version at all.
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Re: Final Wars: Why all the Hate?

Postby Godzilla 2000 » Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:10 pm

ebirahsmeg1 wrote:But it's GMK Ghidorah really brings my piss to a boil :evil: I get so angry even thinking about this thing, which I refer to as KINO (KG in name only). Basically, they took what *was* Godzilla's arch enemy and most powerful foe and bascially turned him into a short, fat, p*ssified runt. And spare me the "oh, I thought his role as hero was neat and a nice change!" or "You just couldn't accept him in a different role other than as the villian" nonsense I have heard a million times before from people who laughably try to defend/praise this thing...my abhorrence of KINO goes far beyond the fact he was in the "hero's role" (Mecha-KG played the hero's role in GvsKG, and I love Mecha-KG). Hero or villian, I thought watering him down, shrinking him in size, and making him extremely weak and pathetic was deplorable and an outrage. It would be like a Spiderman comic and turning Venom into a midget and a vegan. Even more distressing is that TOHO seems intent on making this thing their preferred image of KG (hence look how they forced IDW's Zornow to change his Showa KG cover to the GMK version).


And in an ironic twist, its the GMK Ghidorah that returns to his classic villainous role in this arcade game.

http://youtu.be/Zcn3Mrzi2VE?t=5m8s
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