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Re: DAM and MEGALON News from Media Blasters

Postby Gawdziller » Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:00 am

bananaoil wrote:Wataru,

That's a cute graphic and all, but piracy in this case is theft of legally protected information. Granted, many artists are perfectly fine with and endorse the disbursement of their art through free channels, and if that's how they want to share their work, God speed to them. However, other artists want to legally protect their creations because of the time, resources, and money they've exhausted to develop their product and because they don't want third parties profiting off of what they've made. Film corporations own films because they essentially contract creative teams to make their productions. Then, after paying the creative teams for their contracted labor, they try to make a return on their investment via exhibition in theaters and through home media. Often times, exhibition through home media can salvage the initial investment when a film bombs at the box office. The return on the investment is used to pay the people running the corporation, to pay the bills, and to fund future production investments. This model guarantees the existence of commercial art, which in turn allows all manner of artists the opportunity to practice their respective crafts. Just like any other industry, this model isn't perfect, and corporations can and do get greedy. But that doesn't justify the unlawful theft of their property through piracy, no matter how old their product is. Corporations and artists may sometimes be guilty of greed, but pirates are always guilty of covetousness and theft. Grow up and get a moral compass. If someone doesn't want you to use their product without their consent or compensation, move on.


Thank you. He's posted that pic several times, and I find it naive at best. It completely misses the point of what piracy is and does. It just comes off as a ignorant excuse for being ignorant.
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Re: DAM and MEGALON News from Media Blasters

Postby Legion1979 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:01 am

That's nice wataru. That really is.

You still spend way too much time here finding excuses to talk about bootlegs and dropping hints as to where they can be purchased. It's really gotten old and I'm sure Toho doesn't give a shit what your definition of piracy is. We all want to have a really good, legit version of Megalon on DVD/blu-ray here. What we don't need is basically hearing "F@ck Media Blasters. Go bootleg. There's a dealer in NJ you can buy from. Bootlegs all the way!" over and over again.

I'm really surprised that's tolerated.
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Re: DAM and MEGALON News from Media Blasters

Postby Captain Aktion » Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:38 am

Y'know, I've been known to use certain internet gray-market means to acquire products in the past but I've never been so naive as to delude myself into thinking I'm doing something like sticking it to the Man.

Look, here's my list of things I have gotten in the past and the reasons why:

Certain PC games...because I have owned them before and were either lost or taken by friends. I see no reason why I can't download a copy of a game I have legit paid for in the past. There's nothing illegal about making a backup copy, which essentially this is.

Music...because there was very, very little access to ANY music where I once lived. That, coupled with no credit/debit card to order online with meant if I wanted to hear anything new, I had to do it.

Movies...see both reasons above. Also, I don't know if there are any Hong Kong film fans on here, but you tell me where I can buy a legit R1 copy of, oh, this film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092273/, and I'll eat my hat. So, again, gray channels just to get to experience the film.

However I have always, always looked to pick up a legit release of all of these things. If it's a movie I have no legit access to, damn me, but I WILL find a copy. But as soon as any enterprising company wants to actually release that movie, I'll buy it in a heartbeat.

I have 3 copies of Destroy All Monsters. I have 4 copies of King Kong vs. Godzilla. I have 3 copies of Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah. And so on and so on.

So having said that and admitting to my own flaws in this regard, Wataru, you kinda suck. Media Blasters was a God-send to me years ago when I found out about their Takashi Miike releases. Then they started releasing Toho films. In widescreen. Subbed AND dubbed. I finally got to see Dogora not as a shitty boot VHS. Mysterians, the original Varan. Absolutely a God-send to a Godzilla fan such as myself, plus I could finally get legit versions.

When you complain about their releases and turn around and download a shittier version than MB put out...well, you just sound like you're cheap.

EDIT: Oh, and if you're ordering boots from some dude in NJ and actually paying for them you're even dumber than you sounded at first. You aren't even doing any work for yourself to acquire any of these surely pristine bootlegs that you are using to stick it to the Man AND you're actually giving you're money to someone for the privilege of doing so? Wow. Mind=blown, really. No offense Wataru, but, uh, well...http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chump.
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Re: DAM and MEGALON News from Media Blasters

Postby wataru » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:03 am

The selective reading in this thread is mind-blowing, lemme tell ya...
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Re: DAM and MEGALON News from Media Blasters

Postby Captain Aktion » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:06 am

There's a lot of that mind blowing thing going on in this entire thread.
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Re: DAM and MEGALON News from Media Blasters

Postby wataru » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:09 am

Captain Aktion wrote:There's a lot of that mind blowing thing going on in this entire thread.


Yeah the sheer amount of blind faith people have in MB is mind-blowing.
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Re: DAM and MEGALON News from Media Blasters

Postby Captain Aktion » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:19 am

HAhahaha. I take it you have faith in your guy from Jersey?
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Re: DAM and MEGALON News from Media Blasters

Postby Biollante » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:22 am

So to change the topic, I'm buying Destroy All Monsters on Amazon so I can get super saving shipping. Should I go with the DVD or blu-ray?

I hear blu-ray gets an extra audio track or something?
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Re: DAM and MEGALON News from Media Blasters

Postby Goji » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:27 am

The Blu-ray has the AIP and International credits as a bonus.

Both English dubs are on the DVD.
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Re: DAM and MEGALON News from Media Blasters

Postby wataru » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:28 am

Captain Aktion wrote:HAhahaha. I take it you have faith in your guy from Jersey?


Well he does have Megs on DVD.
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Re: DAM and MEGALON News from Media Blasters

Postby Captain Aktion » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:36 am

^So do a million other shady dealers.

OT, I have the DVD as I'm not quite ready to convert to Blu as of yet. I'm totally happy with my copy, so I'm sure if you have the capability the Blu will be the way to go if you care about the picture fidelity. I'm just happy to watch it and I think it looks nice on my TV.
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Re: DAM and MEGALON News from Media Blasters

Postby Cimmerian Dragon » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:51 am

Gojira-Fan wrote:I agree with what Bannaoil said, but I do think there is some good justification for piracy under certain instances.

What about when there is literally no legal way to see a movie? Or in cases with films like Godzilla vs. Megalon, Godzilla 1985, or Godzilla vs. Biollante, where the only copies available are VHS tapes on the second-hand market. Once something is only available on the second-hand market, none of the money is going to the company who owns the rights, just to sellers that happen to be selling a copy.

And what about the Japanese versions of these films? Some of them may never become available in the U.S. Look at King Kong vs. Godzilla, when it was released on DVD in the U.S., the John Beck edit was the only one available. It's almost universally agreed among the fandom that the Japanese version is superior, so why do we have to be regulated to the inferior edit?

In cases like these, I think bootlegging/piracy is justified.

If Toho wants me to buy a legitimate release, then one should be available.



I'm of like mind, pal. If I can't get my hands on a legit copy of a film, then I'm going to get it in any way I can. That being said, I do follow one golden rule: If and when a legit R1 (or compatible) release becomes available, if I already own a gray-market copy, then I will absolutely purchase the legit release as well, regardless of quality/version etc.

I have to say, though, I don't make any exceptions if the official release is only on VHS. If a movie was put out as a legit American video, I will be sure to own it before buying a boot. For instance, I have subbed grey-market, Biollante and G'84 DVDs, but I purchased American VHS tapes as well.

No, I don't think this is a perfectly innocent system, since my money would be supporting a bootlegging operation whenever I did make the choice to buy from them. However, I've made peace with the decision personally, and I'm not trying to convince anyone else to do the same.
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Re: DAM and MEGALON News from Media Blasters

Postby Gojira-Fan » Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:29 pm

Cimmerian Dragon wrote:
Gojira-Fan wrote:I agree with what Bannaoil said, but I do think there is some good justification for piracy under certain instances.

What about when there is literally no legal way to see a movie? Or in cases with films like Godzilla vs. Megalon, Godzilla 1985, or Godzilla vs. Biollante, where the only copies available are VHS tapes on the second-hand market. Once something is only available on the second-hand market, none of the money is going to the company who owns the rights, just to sellers that happen to be selling a copy.

And what about the Japanese versions of these films? Some of them may never become available in the U.S. Look at King Kong vs. Godzilla, when it was released on DVD in the U.S., the John Beck edit was the only one available. It's almost universally agreed among the fandom that the Japanese version is superior, so why do we have to be regulated to the inferior edit?

In cases like these, I think bootlegging/piracy is justified.

If Toho wants me to buy a legitimate release, then one should be available.



I'm of like mind, pal. If I can't get my hands on a legit copy of a film, then I'm going to get it in any way I can. That being said, I do follow one golden rule: If and when a legit R1 (or compatible) release becomes available, if I already own a gray-market copy, then I will absolutely purchase the legit release as well, regardless of quality/version etc.



I agree with this.

Cimmerian Dragon wrote:I have to say, though, I don't make any exceptions if the official release is only on VHS. If a movie was put out as a legit American video, I will be sure to own it before buying a boot. For instance, I have subbed grey-market, Biollante and G'84 DVDs, but I purchased American VHS tapes as well.



Eh, I meant more if the original release is more of a collector's item than an actual means of watching the movie. As in, it's marked up to an outrageous price. I suppose I didn't really word what I said they way I wanted to (although none of your money is going to the copyright holders).

Granted, all legit American VHS copies of Return of Godzilla and Godzilla vs. Biollante are English-only. So I think it would be justifiable to get boots of the Japanese versions.

In the end, I think we need to eliminate the simple-minded "us vs. them" styles of thinking that's prevalent in the debate on copyright infringement.

There are bad things on both sides of the argument.
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Re: DAM and MEGALON News from Media Blasters

Postby Cimmerian Dragon » Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:02 pm

Gojira-Fan wrote:I suppose I didn't really word what I said they way I wanted to (although none of your money is going to the copyright holders).

Granted, all legit American VHS copies of Return of Godzilla and Godzilla vs. Biollante are English-only. So I think it would be justifiable to get boots of the Japanese versions.


Actually, my money did go to the copyright holders, since I bought the videos new from a first-hand retailer. Granted, that's no longer an option in most cases. I should have noted that, and I certainly didn't mean to suggest people should feel obligated to throw ridiculous amounts of money out there for a used copy.

Gojira-Fan wrote:In the end, I think we need to eliminate the simple-minded "us vs. them" styles of thinking that's prevalent in the debate on copyright infringement.

There are bad things on both sides of the argument.


Once again, I can only agree with you. Everyone is in this game because they love these films, and want to experience them whenever they want, and in the purest form available. If the company isn't giving you the chance to do so, fine, buy a boot. Once the copyright holder comes through with a release, then damn it, support them.

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Re: DAM and MEGALON News from Media Blasters

Postby omgitsgodzilla » Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:59 pm

Captain Aktion wrote:HAhahaha. I take it you have faith in your guy from Jersey?

Well, if the guy has quality products that he sends out in a consistent and timely fashion, why not? I'm not completely pro-bootleg, I support legitimate releases that are up to one's standards, but I don't see them as morally bankrupt parasites slowly killing an industry either.

Cimmerian Dragon wrote:Everyone is in this game because they love these films, and want to experience them whenever they want, and in the purest form available. If the company isn't giving you the chance to do so, fine, buy a boot. Once the copyright holder comes through with a release, then damn it, support them.

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Re: DAM and MEGALON News from Media Blasters

Postby bananaoil » Sun Feb 12, 2012 4:26 pm

Wataru,

Graphic is still accurate, Bananaoil.


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Youre not stealing property, youre stealing PROFIT.


You're stealing both. What's contained on that bootlegged media? Intellectual property. Is the bootlegged media an authorized venue protected by law? No. Ergo, you're stealing property.

Theatres overcharge, distributors FORCE you to buy DVD or BRD/DVD.


I've not once been held by gunpoint to go see a movie at a theatre or purchase a DVD or BRD I didn't want to buy. By the way, distributors also promote renting :huge:

I dont want to pay $10.50 to see a movie in a dirty theatre with other people, nor do I want both BRD/DVD.


Find a clean theatre, catch a matinee, or go on a church night. Miserly misanthropy is a lame excuse for pirating films. As for not wanting both BRD and DVD, not every distributor is selling both together, and for the ones who do, the price isn't any different. And, it's nice to have both medias if you want to take a copy of your movie to show someone else, and all they have is a DVD player. The inclusion of DVDs in some BRD releases is to help people transition between both medias.
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Re: DAM and MEGALON News from Media Blasters

Postby nectarsis » Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:59 pm

Captain Aktion wrote:
Movies...see both reasons above. Also, I don't know if there are any Hong Kong film fans on here, but you tell me where I can buy a legit R1 copy of, oh, this film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092273/, and I'll eat my hat. So, again, gray channels just to get to experience the film.



Region free, legit release from Universe Laser

http://www.dddhouse.com/v3/product_deta ... ductID=501


No clue if it's legit (also region free):

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SEVENTH-CURSE-D ... 3f138ec70d
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Re: DAM and MEGALON News from Media Blasters

Postby FlawedCoil82 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:46 pm

nectarsis wrote:
Captain Aktion wrote:
Movies...see both reasons above. Also, I don't know if there are any Hong Kong film fans on here, but you tell me where I can buy a legit R1 copy of, oh, this film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092273/, and I'll eat my hat. So, again, gray channels just to get to experience the film.



Region free, legit release from Universe Laser

http://www.dddhouse.com/v3/product_deta ... ductID=501


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Re: DAM and MEGALON News from Media Blasters

Postby Rockzilla » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:14 pm

I'd hardly call anything from Universe Laser legit . Universe Laser might as well be a bootleg company. The quality of their stuff sucks.
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Re: DAM and MEGALON News from Media Blasters

Postby Captain Aktion » Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:53 pm

Rockzilla wrote:I'd hardly call anything from Universe Laser legit . Universe Laser might as well be a bootleg company. The quality of their stuff sucks.


This is true. This is the copy I originally saw when I rented it from Vulcan and, well, I generally don't consider region-free dvd-rom copies from Asia to be much better/different than a boot.

Plus, I had found it on that site years ago and it was out of stock/print. I was just using it as an example.

Now, if you'll excuse me we'll call it a draw and I'll just nibble the brim a bit.
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