Mothra and Battra vs. Destoroyah

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http://www.tohokingdom.com/kaiju/mothra96.htm
&
http://www.tohokingdom.com/kaiju/battra.htm#i
vs.
http://www.tohokingdom.com/kaiju/destoroyah.htm#final

ARENA:
Yokohama where Mothra and Battra fought Godzilla

RULES:
ROM Mothra being used
Mothra scaled to 65x175 meters
Mothra starts at full health (think how she was at in the fight against Godzilla and Battra)
Destoroyah cannot reform
Battra starts in Larval Form and can freely change from form to form

VERDICT:
Now this fight isn't as one sided as one might think. Mothra and Battra fought and won against what is arguably a stronger Godzilla then the one Destoroyah faced. Inferno Rodan's argument about Godzilla's normal heat ray being stronger then pre 1190 degree Celsius is pretty convincing. Now Destoroyah was carved open by these under par beams, and I'd go as far as to say a combined beam assault from Mothra and Battra is going to do the same. Destoroyah is pretty immobile where as Mothra and Battra can easily fly above and circle her. I think she'll have a hard time hitting the insect duo.

Mothra and Battra 8/10
Destoroyah 2/10

[Kaiju-King42]

Against what is arguably a stronger Godzilla then the one Destoroyah faced.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bgDi2BY ... re=related

^My reaction to this silly statement.

[GojiFan]

That is all fine and dandy, but Destroyah also tanked three shots from a beam that was more powerful than the ones that wasted SG and SMG. He was still very capable of flying after a barrage that would outright kill most kaiju. Battra and Mothra had to team up to beat a weaker Godzilla and still one of them died. They didn't even kill Godzilla either, they carried him out to sea and then proceeded to run/die. Dessy's MO beam also floored Meltdown Godzilla several times. A shot from it could quite possibly knock one of the moths out of the air, and things will not end well for them if that were to happen.

Destroyah has this quite handily.

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Against what is arguably a stronger Godzilla then the one Destoroyah faced.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bgDi2BY ... re=related

^My reaction to this silly statement.

If you can find IR's argument it's very convincing. That and some side conversations that have arisen in the community. Meltdown Godzilla's not as powerful due to his body melting down. The explosions caused by Godzilla's blue and regular Spiral Rays were larger then those used by Meltdown Godzilla's after his attack on Hong Kong and before he reached 1190. He only got stronger after 1190 degrees.

[Gyaos]

Destroyah in a curb stomp. What is Mothra and Battra going to do to harm Destroyah before he thoroughly cleanses them from existance? Mothra's antenna beams sure wont do anything. Battra's Prism Beams could maybe do some damage if he could aim with them.

1 or 2 hits from the Micro Oxygen beam is gonna down them. God help them if they get close and Destroyah feels the need to use the Horn katana.

[Living Corpse]

God help them if they get close and Destroyah feels the need to use the Horn katana.

Hey kids, it's that time again!



So glade this meme was made.

[GojiFan]

Damn, I was just about to post that.

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You guys realize this is the ROM Mothra right? And I doubt Destoroyah's gonna be able to hit them in the sky when Godzilla couldn't. She may take to the air but I doubt she could handle her own in a dog fight. And why would either of the Moths get close to Dessy?

[Gyaos]

But unlike Godzilla, Destroyah can fly and attack at the same time so...


Also, considering Battra is probably stupid enough to do so, since hes done it twice to Godzilla.

[Living Corpse]

Battra is all about being aggressive. When he thinks his beam attack aren't cutting it he likes to use tooth and claw.

[Kaiju-King42]

If you can find IR's argument it's very convincing. That and some side conversations that have arisen in the community. Meltdown Godzilla's not as powerful due to his body melting down. The explosions caused by Godzilla's blue and regular Spiral Rays were larger then those used by Meltdown Godzilla's after his attack on Hong Kong and before he reached 1190. He only got stronger after 1190 degrees.

What now? So now explosion size gauges the power of beams?

They even stated in the movie it's self that Godzilla's heat ray had gotten stronger! It doesn't matter how big the explosions were, Toho clearly meant that beam to be more powerful than the standard blue. In fact, due to an overload of atomic energy in his body, I would think that his meltdown would in fact increase the power of his beam.

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Battra is all about being aggressive. When he thinks his beam attack aren't cutting it he likes to use tooth and claw.

When he joined forces with Mothra they began ruthlessly beam spamming from the air, and since they're in an alliance here I believe they'd do the same thing. Plus I'm not very sure how Destoroyah would handle the Flash Dash..

What now? So now explosion size gauges the power of beams?

Yes, explosions have tend to gauge the power of energy weapons.

They even stated in the movie it's self that Godzilla's heat ray had gotten stronger! It doesn't matter how big the explosions were, Toho clearly meant that beam to be more powerful than the standard blue. In fact, due to an overload of atomic energy in his body, I would think that his meltdown would in fact increase the power of his beam.

If you notice, in the Hong Kong scene Godzilla's ray has Spirals around it, which is why it was as destructive as it was. No such Spirals were seen until Godzilla reached 1190 degrees Celsius.

[Gyaos]

Battra is all about being aggressive. When he thinks his beam attack aren't cutting it he likes to use tooth and claw.

When he joined forces with Mothra they began ruthlessly beam spamming from the air, and since they're in an alliance here I believe they'd do the same thing. Plus I'm not very sure how Destoroyah would handle the Flash Dash..

...The what?

Yes, explosions have tend to gauge the power of energy weapons

There are ridiculously powerful beams in other media that can destroy stuff without causing fancy explosions, just so you know. Just because it produces a low explosive yeild doesnt mean its weak.

If you notice, in the Hong Kong scene Godzilla's ray has Spirals around it, which is why it was as destructive as it was. No such Spirals were seen until Godzilla reached 1190 degrees Celsius.

Um.....I dont remember the beam not having spirals in certain scenes.

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When he joined forces with Mothra they began ruthlessly beam spamming from the air, and since they're in an alliance here I believe they'd do the same thing. Plus I'm not very sure how Destoroyah would handle the Flash Dash..
...The what?

an perform a Flash Dash by charging itself with energy and flying at mach 80

Yes, explosions have tend to gauge the power of energy weapons
There are ridiculously powerful beams in other media that can destroy stuff without causing fancy explosions, just so you know. Just because it produces a low explosive yeild doesnt mean its weak.

In most Kaiju Eiga, explosion sizes are used to show how powerful an energy weapon are.

If you notice, in the Hong Kong scene Godzilla's ray has Spirals around it, which is why it was as destructive as it was. No such Spirals were seen until Godzilla reached 1190 degrees Celsius.

Um.....I dont remember the beam not having spirals in certain scenes.

I re-watched the Godzilla scenes in the film and certain beams, from the HK and post 1190 all have Spirals added. The others don't.

[GojiFan]

When he joined forces with Mothra they began ruthlessly beam spamming from the air, and since they're in an alliance here I believe they'd do the same thing. Plus I'm not very sure how Destoroyah would handle the Flash Dash..

They started spamming beams because Godzilal was engulfed in the scale cloud. And Destroyah would take the dash just fine. Mothra would be in for a hurting afterward though. This is the same kaiju that Godzilla had to hurt severely with a beam before he could gain an advantage in a melee fight. Either of the moths will get man handled when they close in.... which they will do because both are fools.

Yes, explosions have tend to gauge the power of energy weapons.

No. Explosions gauge the power of explosive weapons, and that statement isn't even entirely true either. Meltdown Godzilla's ray was described as being stronger in the movie. On top of that, the beam was more than likely much hotter than the regular Heisei Godzilla's ray was. Also, I believe you are taking IR's analysis out of context.

I don't feel like looking it up, but I remember him saying that the beam at the worst was still equal to or slightly stronger than regular Heisei's beam.

If you notice, in the Hong Kong scene Godzilla's ray has Spirals around it, which is why it was as destructive as it was. No such Spirals were seen until Godzilla reached 1190 degrees Celsius.

Honestly, you can probably chalk this up to funding. There is no way Toho was going to spend the money for the flames and explosions that they used for the later beam attacks.

But even disregarding that, there is absolutely no proof that the beam was any weaker overall. In fact, the red color of the beam indicates it would be stronger according to the crazy Godzilla flame-color scale. As I said above, there is a fairly likely chance that the beam was much hotter than the previous incarnation.

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[Gyaos]

Spacegodzilla's Corona ray dismantels the explosion argument. It shows little to no explosive power, yet it's clearly heavily damaging. Mechagodzilla's Mega-Buster causes a mere shower of sparks, yet its still one of the more powerful beam weapons of the Heisei series.

I re-watched the Godzilla scenes in the film and certain beams, from the HK and post 1190 all have Spirals added. The others don't.

Um, Im pretty sure there are spirals when Godzilla is borderline disemboweling Destroyah with his ray.

[Kaiju-King42]

Yes, explosions have tend to gauge the power of energy weapons.

No. Explosions gauge the power of explosive weapons, and that statement isn't even entirely true either. Meltdown Godzilla's ray was described as being stronger in the movie. On top of that, the beam was more than likely much hotter than the regular Heisei Godzilla's ray was. Also, I believe you are taking IR's analysis out of context.

I don't feel like looking it up, but I remember him saying that the beam at the worst was still equal to or slightly stronger than regular Heisei's beam.

And to add a little quick thing to this, just because IR said it, doesn't mean it's true.(please don't ban me from the UCA, IR.) All these character analysis's are simple fan theories. Now, the best of fan theories have evidence to help prove their case, but even then there is almost never enough information to treat them as complete fact in FMs. I could just as easily say that Battra Larva is not a super durable monster because he simply burrowed away before the volcano could swallow him completely. There is little to no evidence to back this statement up, true, but you can't disprove it either.

And no, I don't actually believe that about Battra. Just the first example that popped into my head.

[Primevalgodzilla V2]

Wasn't it flat out stated in the film that MD Goji's ray, spiral or no spiral, was stronger than his normal ray?

[Kaiju-King42]

Wasn't it flat out stated in the film that MD Goji's ray, spiral or no spiral, was stronger than his normal ray?

Yes, it was. That's what I'v been trying to tell everyone here!