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Re: Pokemon WTF's: what toho did wrong

Postby kpa » Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:52 pm

Legion1979 wrote:
gorosaurus wrote:ALL OF YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT! Toho gave the rights to use the roars, and that's whats bugging me. Just imagine :mudkip: mixed with :godzilla:


Don't watch Ultraman then. You'll probably have a stroke.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't follow Pokemon, but would think that the people who created the characters and make the shows/movies have the right to decide what their own creations should sound like.
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Re: Pokemon WTF's: what toho did wrong

Postby Ethan » Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:13 am

It thinks it's just a matter of listing every Toho related movie. Surely Hollywood productions distributed in Japan don't have Toho's logo. On the other hand, stuff like The Ring or the Gamera trilogy do.
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Re: Pokemon WTF's: what toho did wrong

Postby kpa » Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:35 am

Ethan wrote:Surely Hollywood productions distributed in Japan don't have Toho's logo.


The industry standard is to have the distributor's logo at the start of a film.
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Re: Pokemon WTF's: what toho did wrong

Postby Legion1979 » Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:43 pm

Ethan wrote:It thinks it's just a matter of listing every Toho related movie. Surely Hollywood productions distributed in Japan don't have Toho's logo.


Like Keith said, they do. And since Toho is the biggest movie company and distributor in Japan and since - by TK law - anything Toho distributed is technically a Toho film, I'm going to go start threads on a shit-ton of Disney movies in the "General Toho" section...
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Re: Pokemon WTF's: what toho did wrong

Postby Ethan » Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:17 pm

Legion1979 wrote:
Ethan wrote:It thinks it's just a matter of listing every Toho related movie. Surely Hollywood productions distributed in Japan don't have Toho's logo.


Like Keith said, they do. And since Toho is the biggest movie company and distributor in Japan and since - by TK law - anything Toho distributed is technically a Toho film, I'm going to go start threads on a shit-ton of Disney movies in the "General Toho" section...

There's a fundamental difference between a distributed Japanese film and an American one. Nobody is saying My Neighbor Totoro is a Toho produced film, they're saying it's a film related to Toho, even if vaguely.
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Re: Pokemon WTF's: what toho did wrong

Postby Legion1979 » Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:33 pm

Ethan wrote:There's a fundamental difference between a distributed Japanese film and an American one. Nobody is saying My Neighbor Totoro is a Toho produced film, they're saying it's a film related to Toho, even if vaguely.


But my stance has always been, how is a film really related to the company that just distributed it? It's not like Toho did anything to help make it. As far as I'm concerned, Kaneko's Gameras are DAIEI films. Toho just happened to distribute them, just like they happen to distribute lots of other movies.
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Re: Pokemon WTF's: what toho did wrong

Postby gorosaurus » Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:22 pm

Legion1979 wrote:
gorosaurus wrote:ALL OF YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT! Toho gave the rights to use the roars, and that's whats bugging me. Just imagine :mudkip: mixed with :godzilla:


Don't watch Ultraman then. You'll probably have a stroke.


Shut up dude. That's different because what was used fit the character. A 25 foot satanic dragon shouldn't use Mothra's chirp. Look up Giratinas movie chirp on youtube and then come talk to me.
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Re: Pokemon WTF's: what toho did wrong

Postby Legion1979 » Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:42 pm

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Shut up dude. That's different because what was used fit the character. A 25 foot satanic dragon shouldn't use Mothra's chirp.


How old are you?

You do realize that Dodongo, the creature in my avatar that appeared in the original Ultraman series, also uses Mothra's chirp? And it's no less bizarre than whatever it is you're talking about.
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Re: Pokemon WTF's: what toho did wrong

Postby Draglord » Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:59 pm

gorosaurus wrote:A 25 foot satanic dragon shouldn't use Mothra's chirp. Look up Giratinas movie chirp on youtube and then come talk to me.


If it bothers you so badly then don't watch the damn movies. Simple as that.
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Re: Pokemon WTF's: what toho did wrong

Postby gorosaurus » Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:28 pm

Draglord wrote:
gorosaurus wrote:A 25 foot satanic dragon shouldn't use Mothra's chirp. Look up Giratinas movie chirp on youtube and then come talk to me.


If it bothers you so badly then don't watch the damn movies. Simple as that.


Thanks for ruining the entire thread. :evil:
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Re: Pokemon WTF's: what toho did wrong

Postby Legion1979 » Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:14 am

gorosaurus wrote:Thanks for ruining the entire thread. :evil:


This thread was DOA to begin with.
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Re: Pokemon WTF's: what toho did wrong

Postby gorosaurus » Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:18 am

Legion1979 wrote:
gorosaurus wrote:Thanks for ruining the entire thread. :evil:


This thread was DOA to begin with.


Why do you hate this thread?
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Re: Pokemon WTF's: what toho did wrong

Postby Legion1979 » Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:26 am

gorosaurus wrote:
Why do you hate this thread?


I don't hate it (hating an internet thread is pretty ridiculous) but it IS pretty dumb.

Toho's sound effects library (the monster roars) have always been used by other companies going all the way back to the Ultra series where - for hardcore Godzilla fans - the roars sound alien coming from different monsters. That Pokemon does this too is nothing new and it's not a matter of Toho doing anything "wrong". Toho doesn't MAKE Pokemon anyway, so the point is moot.

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Re: Pokemon WTF's: what toho did wrong

Postby Mini-Godzilla » Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:53 am

o.supreme wrote:I guess we should banish all Heisei Gamera threads, because those were only distributed by Toho, not made by Toho themselves. See what I mean, it can get tricky.


That's not tricky at all. We should banish all Heisei Gamera threads...to the Media Center forum.
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Re: Pokemon WTF's: what toho did wrong

Postby DeadpoolsbetterThanU » Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:12 am

gorosaurus wrote:
Draglord wrote:
gorosaurus wrote:A 25 foot satanic dragon shouldn't use Mothra's chirp. Look up Giratinas movie chirp on youtube and then come talk to me.


If it bothers you so badly then don't watch the damn movies. Simple as that.


Thanks for ruining the entire thread. :evil:

How does one post stating the most simplest answer ruin the entire thread? And it's not like the thread is anything special.
I actually think the roars were a good thing with the movies, it's almost everything else that isn't. Namely changing way too many character designs and silly story lines.
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Re: Pokemon WTF's: what toho did wrong

Postby MothraRocks » Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:25 am

gorosaurus wrote:
Legion1979 wrote:
gorosaurus wrote:Thanks for ruining the entire thread. :evil:


This thread was DOA to begin with.


Why do you hate this thread?


It's kinda pointless. Besides, Giritina having Mothra's chirp is awesome, wouldn't you say so? :P
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Re: Pokemon WTF's: what toho did wrong

Postby Cimmerian Dragon » Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:29 am

Legion1979 wrote:
gorosaurus wrote:
Why do you hate this thread?


I don't hate it (hating an internet thread is pretty ridiculous) but it IS pretty dumb.

Toho's sound effects library (the monster roars) have always been used by other companies going all the way back to the Ultra series where - for hardcore Godzilla fans - the roars sound alien coming from different monsters.


And didn't the Science Patrol's telephone sounded suspiciously similar to a certain three-headed space-dragon...
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Re: Pokemon WTF's: what toho did wrong

Postby Legion1979 » Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:34 am

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And didn't the Science Patrol's telephone sounded suspiciously similar to a certain three-headed space-dragon...


Shhh, we were supposed to keep that a secret until we REALLY wanted to freak the OP out!
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Re: Pokemon WTF's: what toho did wrong

Postby Cimmerian Dragon » Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:52 pm

:-x Damn, another operation botched by my big yap!
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Re: Pokemon WTF's: what toho did wrong

Postby gorosaurus » Sat Jan 28, 2012 9:24 pm

Legion1979 wrote:
gorosaurus wrote:
Why do you hate this thread?


I don't hate it (hating an internet thread is pretty ridiculous) but it IS pretty dumb.

Toho's sound effects library (the monster roars) have always been used by other companies going all the way back to the Ultra series where - for hardcore Godzilla fans - the roars sound alien coming from different monsters. That Pokemon does this too is nothing new and it's not a matter of Toho doing anything "wrong". Toho doesn't MAKE Pokemon anyway, so the point is moot.

Can I ask your age?


But the problem Im having is figuring out why certain things were done the way they were. Toho had full control on what was used and how it was used. Certain cries don't fit the concept of the monster that it's being used for. Get what I'm saying?
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