The Kamen Rider thread

[Crocodile]

the big bad is a Bond-style villain(without a silly costume,unfortunatly),

Sonozaki Ryuubei has more in common with The Kingpin than any bond villian. Also I'd rank W as being just better than any of the showa series.

I'd also say Dopants as far being monsters goes, were a step down from previous villian species (The Worms in particular)

[shinmattiathekaiju]

Also I'd rank W as being just better than any of the showa series.

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I can't hear you.

Also the original Ishinomori manga is better cause is more deep(Hongo and Ichimonji being emo about being different from normal humans and a green aesop)

[SaiyanRider54]

Also I'd rank W as being just better than any of the showa series.

I can't hear you.

Also the original Ishinomori manga is better cause is more deep(Hongo and Ichimonji being emo about being different from normal humans and a green aesop)[/quote]

Just because it isn't a copy and paste of the showa series doesn't mean its not as good.

So what if they aren't the same exact thing as the showa series riders? If you don't like the heisei series then just stick with the showa and stop complaining that its different.

[Crocodile]

Also the original Ishinomori manga is better cause is more deep(Hongo and Ichimonji being emo about being different from normal humans and a green aesop)

No it isn't, they don't come across as deep. They come across as whiney, or just plain annoying. Which is kinda ironic, as this is something Kurenai Wataru's character draws heat for.

Ishinomori wasn't a good enough character writer to write, truly deep characters. He could make them cool, but his characters are honestly kinda flat.

Especially Amazon. I love Amazon, but even after 24 episodes, he's not very well defined as anything other than the "Good guy"

I'd say the best series for defining characters are, W, Faiz, and Kuuga.

[shinmattiathekaiju]

Especially Amazon. I love Amazon, but even after 24 episodes, he's not very well defined as anything other than the "Good guy"

How would you make Amazon then?

[Crocodile]

Especially Amazon. I love Amazon, but even after 24 episodes, he's not very well defined as anything other than the "Good guy"

How would you make Amazon then?

You know things are bad when the narrator has to tell you what the character is thinking.
So I wouldn't have done that, I'd have also made him a little more expressive. Or just not have him grasp full mastery of Japanese out of nowhere.

Yeah Ishinomori did some weird stuff, which thankfully has been abandoned. It's just be ham-fisted, and unwelcome today.

Like I said Amazon as a characer is like a glass of Kool-Aid; enyojable, but flat.

[shinmattiathekaiju]

Especially Amazon. I love Amazon, but even after 24 episodes, he's not very well defined as anything other than the "Good guy"

How would you make Amazon then?

You know things are bad when the narrator has to tell you what the character is thinking.
So I wouldn't have done that, I'd have also made him a little more expressive. Or just not have him grasp full mastery of Japanese out of nowhere.

Yeah Ishinomori did some weird stuff, which thankfully has been abandoned. It's just be ham-fisted, and unwelcome today.

Like I said Amazon as a characer is like a glass of Kool-Aid; enyojable, but flat.

Even Kikaider is flat?

[HikizuruBeat]

I really loved W definitely my favorite rider and series. I have to agree the dopants are a step down from enemies especially from worms. I think the Worms are my favorite enemies because they were really creepy and had no sense of humanity.
Like some of the dopants were pretty goofy.

Also I like how W is the only main heisei rider with a scarf/muffler.

[shinmattiathekaiju]

Ehy guys! Check this out.

http://www.mangareader.net/kamen-rider

[HikizuruBeat]

When I watch more showa riders I have to watch this....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF6z0OGNrMA

Also got my tatoba a couple days ago.

[Crocodile]

Even Kikaider is flat?

Well I haven't seen Kikaider (At least not the original,the anime remake was decent), but that does remind me, that Cyborg 009 WAS better characterized. I always forget that was also Ishinomori. So yeah 009 is probably his best work, but the his work in Kamen Rider was about creating "cool" characters, not terribly complex, or deep ones.

Though in his defense, they do serve their purpose magnificently.



Some new images from Superhero Taisen

[shinmattiathekaiju]

Cool! I can see Tiger Roid and Sasori Otoko in the pic.

[DaikaijuSokogeki!]

God, they're doing the "Kamen Rider Decade turns evil" angle again? They already did that in All Riders Vs. Great Shocker and The Last Story. Ugh, laaaaame.

[Draglord]

God, they're doing the "Kamen Rider Decade turns evil" angle again? They already did that in All Riders Vs. Great Shocker and The Last Story. Ugh, laaaaame.

I see that as a good thing. I hate Decade and hopefully somebody will destroy him in this movie. That probably won't happen, but I hope it does or at least he gets his ass beaten pretty badly.

[SaiyanRider54]

God, they're doing the "Kamen Rider Decade turns evil" angle again? They already did that in All Riders Vs. Great Shocker and The Last Story. Ugh, laaaaame.

Gokai red from Gokaiger is evil as well. so I guess that evens thing a litte.

[Crocodile]

God, they're doing the "Kamen Rider Decade turns evil" angle again? They already did that in All Riders Vs. Great Shocker and The Last Story. Ugh, laaaaame.

Or the heroes are siding with their villians to defend their individual worlds. It's just a promotional photo, let's not rush judgement.

I mean GokaiRed is with a managerie of Sentaia villians, it could just be looking cool, for the sake of looking cool.

[HikizuruBeat]

God, they're doing the "Kamen Rider Decade turns evil" angle again? They already did that in All Riders Vs. Great Shocker and The Last Story. Ugh, laaaaame.

Yeah wtf. I'm not really fond of Decade's character. Also I'm confused about where is All Riders Vs Dai Shocker suppose to fit in to canon or is it alternate story. I know the last story movie with W was the ending story for the decade show, but where does the dai shocker movie fit in...

[DaikaijuSokogeki!]

God, they're doing the "Kamen Rider Decade turns evil" angle again? They already did that in All Riders Vs. Great Shocker and The Last Story. Ugh, laaaaame.

Or the heroes are siding with their villians to defend their individual worlds. It's just a promotional photo, let's not rush judgement.

I mean GokaiRed is with a managerie of Sentaia villians, it could just be looking cool, for the sake of looking cool.

http://www.jefusion.com/2012/01/kamen-rider-vs-super-sentai-had-started.html

It outright says that Tsukasa's sided with Great Shocker again. It could be mind control, but if so that's STILL lame. I knew Decade being in this film would drag it down.

Also I'm confused about where is All Riders Vs Dai Shocker suppose to fit in to canon or is it alternate story. I know the last story movie with W was the ending story for the decade show, but where does the dai shocker movie fit in...

No one really knows where it fits. The way I see it is that the movie is SUPPOSED to be canon, but the lazy writing staff forgot to properly insert it into the series' timeline. They went so far out of their way to fit in Chou Den-O and Decade however...

[SaiyanRider54]

Guys, since the Den-O crew are included as main characters (again... ) this might mean that someone may have screwed up the timeline again in a way were Tsukassa never lost his memories, and Gokai Red now works with the Zangyack.
Makes sense to me. And we should just wait for more scans that can explain this instead of going apeshit over Decade being evil again without completely knowing whats going on.

And more Fouze scans:

With the debut of Kamen Rider Fourze Magnet States happening tomorrow, here are new information about Kamen Rider Fourze! This includes new Astro Switches, two new Zodiarts and the arrival new Horoscopes, the Cancer Zodiarts!
The Cancer Zodiarts is the fifth member of the Horoscopes to appear in the series. Based on the current events, it seems that all 12 Horoscope Zodiarts will appear on reverse order starting from Scorpio. In short, the order of the their appearances are as follows:
Scorpio (Episode 2) > Libra (Episode 12) > Virgo (Movie Wars MEGAMAX, Episode 18) > Leo (Movie Wars MEGAMAX) > Cancer > Gemini > Taurus > Aries > Pisces > Aquarius > Capricorn > Sagittarius

In addition, two new Zodiarts will appear in the series, namely the Pegasus Zodiarts and the Cygnus Zodiarts (Saint Seiya anyone?). What's more is that the identity of the Dragon Zodiarts is no other than the captain of the track and field team, Jin Nomoto!

New episodes means new Astro Switches to debut soon! These are Astro Switch No.32 Freeze (compatible to the Softnya Foodroid), Astro Switch No.33 Claw, Astro Switch No.34 Skateboard, Astro Switch No.35 Giant Foot, and Astro Switch No.36 Aero.

Kamen Rider Meteor had just debuted in Kamen Rider Fourze. But along with the earlier Televi-kun scans, a silhouetted image of Meteor showed up! Could this be Meteor's upcoming upgrade or "state"? That's for us to find out! For those who didn't know, the Astro Switch No.10 Elec and No.20 Fire are both compatible with the DX Meteor Driver, so as Meteor Switch to the DX Fourze Driver. On the other hand, it's also possible that it's a Kamen Rider Meteor specific switch.

And if the pictures get cut off, heres the website I got these at:
http://www.jefusion.com/2012/01/kamen-rider-vs-super-sentai-had-started.html
http://www.jefusion.com/2012/01/kamen-rider-meteor-upgrade-coming.html
http://www.jefusion.com/2012/01/kr-fourze-cancer-zodiarts-appears.html

So what do you guys think?

[HikizuruBeat]

No one really knows where it fits. The way I see it is that the movie is SUPPOSED to be canon, but the lazy writing staff forgot to properly insert it into the series' timeline. They went so far out of their way to fit in Chou Den-O and Decade however...

Yeah it has me so confused. <___>
I'm getting sick of Decade coming back and being evil AGAIN. Also kind of over Den-O trying to be the star in everything.

I don't understand why Den-O got to be so popular. I actually started a couple of episodes of Den-O and it's not horrible, but the big thing that really bothers me is how useless the main character is. I mean all the main riders could fight for themselves, but ryoutaro does nothing.... All the imagin fight for him and I prefer to have a MC that actually....does something. I think the only reason while I'll still watch it is because I actually do like the imagin, but so far it's my least favorite kamen rider.